Postgress and MYSQL

[Bob Powell]

To whom it may concern:

I find the recent articles in various trade publications a little
disturbing due to the lack of PostgrSQL mention. I continue to see
articles about how IBM may be considering MYSQL for development an
open_source web database.

Why isn't PostgreSQL being considered or talked about by major industry
giants? As a DBA I know that Postgres is far superior to MYSQL but if
the industry directs it's energies towards open-source database this
coming year I think somehow PostgreSQL needs to be represented better.
Bob Powell
---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate
subscribe-nomail command to ma*******@postgresql.org so that your
message can get through to the mailing list cleanly

[Chris Travers]

From: "Jonathan Bartlett" <jo*****@eskimo.com>

We need a Postgres vs MySQL Mailing list :)

you are going to laugh but I don't think that this is such a bad idea,
provided that it is not limited to Postgres vs MySQL. Advocacy is good and
all, but they are more interested in promoting PostgreSQL than discussing
competitive issues. In fact, the general list seems to be dedicated to only
2 things:
support of all types and
PostgreSQL vs MySQL.

I would suggest that we consider forming a pgsql-competitive email list for
discussing PostgreSQL and how it compares with other database managers. We
could then send out documents, etc. to other lists (general, advocacy, etc.)
for more general consideration.

We could then look at comparisons regarding Oracle, MySQL, MS SQL, etc.
without cluttering this list or the Advocacy list with material that tends
to be... voluminous but disorganized.

The list could also serve as a place for consultants to go if they want
competitive information relating to other products.

Best Wishes,
Chris Travers
---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings

[Uwe C. Schroeder]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

On Wednesday 14 January 2004 10:18 pm, Chris Travers wrote:

From: "Keith C. Perry" <ne******@vcsn.com>

3) Not being able to "find" something in via search BEFORE even reading

the

documentation is somewhat backwards. You have to at least get a feel

for

the docs before even know what to look for. That is not to say that

the

search engine is not problematic but it is to say that I'm am more and

more

convinced that knowing how to search more important than what is being
searched for.

Well put, and I like the other posts about the usefullness of a really good
index. However, I think that there is an attitude that MySQL docs are
better for beginners because the search really takes the place of the
index. However, IMO, this masks a more subtle issue, see below.

4) As many people pointed out before, a product should not be technical
education it should product education. Some people take it as being

rude

we some on-list says use google or check <some other site>. Granted
being told "this is not hand holding" is definitely a slap in the face

its

been done to me and I'm sure there is a better way to put it but the
reality is that PG docs are very good. Get some paper and print
they out double-sided- they're an excellent reference. However, you

have to

understand the basics first and that simply does not belong on the PG
site (save a link to some community recommendations).

I agree to a point, in that the PostgreSQL product documentation is product
education, not general database education. However, the "community
recommended links" approach has a number of difficiencies that I don't
think have been discussed much:

1: Community maintained lists of links seems the easy way to go until
those links become broken or change and need to be removed due to
inaccurate content. It may be easier over the long term to maintain our
own technical education database that we have control over.

2: You DO have a problem that PostgreSQL as a product assumes more general
knowledge than MySQL. The docs tend to assume you know stuff, and it would
be nice to have community maintained references on these general topics,
perhaps on techdocs, perhaps elsewhere.

3: MySQL is a database engine which seems to make sense UNTIL you are
technically educated. Competing with MySQL may mean being able to
articulate why ACID complience is important, for example. Or why the
database should abort the operation/transaction rather than truncate your
data in a NUMERIC column.

So what is the alternative? I am working on some documentation but my work
is slowed by my laptop being in the shop. Perhaps we could have a
technical education category in Techdocs?

Best Wishes,
Chris Travers

Basically it's a question of what product to compare postgresql with. If you
target the DB2 / Oracle / Sybase corner I don't think a lot of those admins
have a problem getting used to postgresql.
But looking around on the net and in paper publications makes it obvious that
postgresql is mostly compared to mysql - both being "open source" (well, to
some degree :-)) )
Coming from the classic DB systems around I found it much easier to use
postgresql than to use mysql - things like transactions always were a given
fact for me, so I was utterly surprised not being able to set an isolation
level in mysql.
Having the usual comparison in mind I agree with Chris that at least a link
collection to sources that educate the "average ms-access user" about basic
database concepts might prove very useful - even if people won't read it, but
at least it's much easier to point them to the right place instead of
repeating the same things over and over again.

My $0.01 <- only one cent here - need the other one for another email :-)
UC

- --
Open Source Solutions 4U, LLC 2570 Fleetwood Drive
Phone: [phone] San Bruno, CA 94066
Cell: [phone] United States
Fax: [phone]
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFABkmFjqGXBvRToM4RApSBAJ9+fKmSg9y+9O3r94PzHv 2kKP/hkwCgwplv
HRVWOPFHQ6WBqUHEjq1CLlc=
=LVQX
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate
subscribe-nomail command to ma*******@postgresql.org so that your
message can get through to the mailing list cleanly

[Keith C. Perry]

Quoting "Joshua D. Drake" <[e-mail]>:

Look I love postgresql, but reality is reality. The database itself is
great, the documentation is pretty good, but a lot of the other things

about

postgresql (like the website) need a lot of work. Postgresql gives the
impression of being a second rate disorganized product if you were to just
go by the website alone.

Isn't that true of just about any OSS project? Heck, Linux doesn't even
have a website ;).
MySQL is not an OSS project, it is an OSS product with a commercial
company backing
it. There is a big difference.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

You're kidding me...

linux.org
linux.com (ewwww, way to cluttered these days)
linuxhq.org
linuxhq.com (looks like their undergoing a facelift)
I seem to remember someone saying that PG is supposed to be leaning towards
being more like a "kernel" so I would like one day the site might become
conceptually like linux.org in the sense that they point you toward the various
distributions of Linux.

Comments?

--
Keith C. Perry, MS E.E.
Director of Networks & Applications
VCSN, Inc.
http://vcsn.com

____________________________________
This email account is being host by:
VCSN, Inc : http://vcsn.com

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your
joining column's datatypes do not match

[Oleg Bartunov]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Rick Gigger wrote:

Does anyone have any experience with postgers full text search?
It works well but it is my understanding that our docs search doesn't
use PostgreSQL
and TSearch. It uses PostgreSQL monogo search or something like that.

That's good to hear. What is monogo and is it the problem here? Why don't
it use TSearch if it is better? Is it just a matter of someone taking the
time to set it up?

I don't understand also, why not use tsearch2 for searching postgresql
documentation. All docs contains about 10-20 K unique words !
Searching arhives is another story and we're working on it on www.pgsql.ru
btw, have you seen it ?

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings

Regards,
Oleg
__________________________________________________ ___________
Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet,
Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia)
Internet: ol**@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/
phone: [phone]

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

[Oleg Bartunov]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

That's good to hear. What is monogo and is it the problem here? Why don't
it use TSearch if it is better? Is it just a matter of someone taking the
time to set it up?

It is a little more complicated than that. Monogo or whatever it is
called is more
like a web spider that uses postgresql. Thus we can search the entire
postgresql
website. Tsearch is more about text search within PostgreSQL so we would
have
to load the books etc... into the database. That is not as easy as it
sounds.

Then use OpenFTS if you prefer to store documents outside of database.
I don't see any problem to develop separate search on official postgres
documentations.

Also if you are looking for something very cool... check out www.pgsql.ru

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

Regards,
Oleg
__________________________________________________ ___________
Oleg Bartunov, sci.researcher, hostmaster of AstroNet,
Sternberg Astronomical Institute, Moscow University (Russia)
Internet: ol**@sai.msu.su, http://www.sai.msu.su/~megera/
phone: [phone]

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your
joining column's datatypes do not match

[Marc G. Fournier]

why not use pgsql-chat, which isn't being used at all right now ... ?

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Chris Travers wrote:

From: "Jonathan Bartlett" <jo*****@eskimo.com>

We need a Postgres vs MySQL Mailing list :)

you are going to laugh but I don't think that this is such a bad idea,
provided that it is not limited to Postgres vs MySQL. Advocacy is good and
all, but they are more interested in promoting PostgreSQL than discussing
competitive issues. In fact, the general list seems to be dedicated to only
2 things:
support of all types and
PostgreSQL vs MySQL.

I would suggest that we consider forming a pgsql-competitive email list for
discussing PostgreSQL and how it compares with other database managers. We
could then send out documents, etc. to other lists (general, advocacy, etc.)
for more general consideration.

We could then look at comparisons regarding Oracle, MySQL, MS SQL, etc.
without cluttering this list or the Advocacy list with material that tends
to be... voluminous but disorganized.

The list could also serve as a place for consultants to go if they want
competitive information relating to other products.

Best Wishes,
Chris Travers
---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings

----
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: sc*****@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

[Joshua D. Drake]

You're kidding me...
No I am not... You missed the point, there is no official Linux website.
Linux.org is ran by one guy,
linux.com is run by VA (I actually used to have po**@linux.com), I own
Linuxdoc.org and Linuxdoc.com...
The closest you get to a "linux" website is kernel.org.
Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake
linux.org
linux.com (ewwww, way to cluttered these days)
linuxhq.org
linuxhq.com (looks like their undergoing a facelift)
I seem to remember someone saying that PG is supposed to be leaning towards
being more like a "kernel" so I would like one day the site might become
conceptually like linux.org in the sense that they point you toward the various
distributions of Linux.

Comments?

--
Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC
Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting.
[phone] - [e-mail] - http://www.commandprompt.com
PostgreSQL Replicator -- production quality replication for PostgreSQL
---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate
subscribe-nomail command to ma*******@postgresql.org so that your
message can get through to the mailing list cleanly

[Francois Suter]

> why not use pgsql-chat, which isn't being used at all right now ... ?

I would suggest that we consider forming a pgsql-competitive email
list for

Whatever, but using another mailing is definitely an excellent idea. I
actually stopped reading -general recently because it got bogged down
in yet another PostgreSQL vs MySQL debate. And the same happens to
advocacy too, although less frequently.

Then again this means that whoever moderates -general (is that you
Marc?) would have to move PostgreSQL vs MySQL threads to the other
mailing list whenever they crop up, otherwise any benefits will be
lost.

Cheers.

---------------
Francois

Home page: http://www.monpetitcoin.com/

"Would Descartes have programmed in Pascal?" - Umberto Eco
---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate
subscribe-nomail command to ma*******@postgresql.org so that your
message can get through to the mailing list cleanly

[Csaba Nagy]

Hi all,

I have the impression that these "Postgres vs MySQL vs XXX" stuff is
regularly started up by newcomers to this list. So wherever you will
decide to move it, it will still pop up here - the new-comers will know
nothing about being elsewhere, except it is called something very-very
suggestive, like "postgres-mysql-compare".
Even then, it will pop up here too, and it carries the risk of heated
answers even from long term subscribers. Could this be really moderated
?
If there is to be a new list, please name it very-very suggestively,
otherwise it has no point.

Cheers,
Csaba.
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 16:14, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

why not use pgsql-chat, which isn't being used at all right now ... ?

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Chris Travers wrote:

From: "Jonathan Bartlett" <jo*****@eskimo.com>

We need a Postgres vs MySQL Mailing list :)

you are going to laugh but I don't think that this is such a bad idea,
provided that it is not limited to Postgres vs MySQL. Advocacy is good and
all, but they are more interested in promoting PostgreSQL than discussing
competitive issues. In fact, the general list seems to be dedicated to only
2 things:
support of all types and
PostgreSQL vs MySQL.

I would suggest that we consider forming a pgsql-competitive email list for
discussing PostgreSQL and how it compares with other database managers. We
could then send out documents, etc. to other lists (general, advocacy, etc.)
for more general consideration.

We could then look at comparisons regarding Oracle, MySQL, MS SQL, etc.
without cluttering this list or the Advocacy list with material that tends
to be... voluminous but disorganized.

The list could also serve as a place for consultants to go if they want
competitive information relating to other products.

Best Wishes,
Chris Travers
---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings

----
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: sc*****@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend

[Tom Lane]

Csaba Nagy <na**@ecircle-ag.com> writes:

On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 16:14, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

why not use pgsql-chat, which isn't being used at all right now ... ?

I have the impression that these "Postgres vs MySQL vs XXX" stuff is
regularly started up by newcomers to this list. So wherever you will
decide to move it, it will still pop up here - the new-comers will know
nothing about being elsewhere, except it is called something very-very
suggestive, like "postgres-mysql-compare".
Even then, it will pop up here too, and it carries the risk of heated
answers even from long term subscribers. Could this be really moderated
?
If there is to be a new list, please name it very-very suggestively,
otherwise it has no point.

I think this analysis is dead-on. Pointing to pgsql-chat won't
accomplish anything.

regards, tom lane

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 9: the planner will ignore your desire to choose an index scan if your
joining column's datatypes do not match

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Francois Suter wrote:

why not use pgsql-chat, which isn't being used at all right now ... ?

I would suggest that we consider forming a pgsql-competitive email
list for

Whatever, but using another mailing is definitely an excellent idea. I
actually stopped reading -general recently because it got bogged down
in yet another PostgreSQL vs MySQL debate. And the same happens to
advocacy too, although less frequently.

Then again this means that whoever moderates -general (is that you
Marc?) would have to move PostgreSQL vs MySQL threads to the other
mailing list whenever they crop up, otherwise any benefits will be
lost.

actually, nobody "moderates" any of the lists, except for pgsql-www, and
that is only for subscribers ...

What it means is that those that are on this list, if they see a tangent
tread popping up, need to learn to respond to the correct list, CC'ng in
the original poster, so that subsequent responses go to the other list ...

----
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: sc*****@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate
subscribe-nomail command to ma*******@postgresql.org so that your
message can get through to the mailing list cleanly

[Marc G. Fournier]

On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Tom Lane wrote:

Csaba Nagy <na**@ecircle-ag.com> writes:

On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 16:14, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

why not use pgsql-chat, which isn't being used at all right now ... ?

I have the impression that these "Postgres vs MySQL vs XXX" stuff is
regularly started up by newcomers to this list. So wherever you will
decide to move it, it will still pop up here - the new-comers will know
nothing about being elsewhere, except it is called something very-very
suggestive, like "postgres-mysql-compare".
Even then, it will pop up here too, and it carries the risk of heated
answers even from long term subscribers. Could this be really moderated
?
If there is to be a new list, please name it very-very suggestively,
otherwise it has no point.

I think this analysis is dead-on. Pointing to pgsql-chat won't
accomplish anything.

No, but if ppl change the CC to pgsql-general to pgsql-chat, so that there
responses went to that list and didn't go to -general, ppl would slowly
learn ...

Even if the Postgress and MYSQL thread was originally sent to -general, if
everyone that responded ot it changed pgsql-general -> pgsql-chat, then
the onoly thing that would have touched the -general list would have been
that original message ...

Its a matter of how much energy ppl are willing to expend on keeping the
lists more pure, that's all ...

again, as long as you CC in the person that started it originally, so that
they know that the topic has shifted to a different list ...
----
Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networking Services (http://www.hub.org)
Email: sc*****@hub.org Yahoo!: yscrappy ICQ: 7615664

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings

[Christopher Browne]

ne******@vcsn.com ("Keith C. Perry") writes:

Quoting "Joshua D. Drake" <[e-mail]>:

>Look I love postgresql, but reality is reality. The database itself is
>great, the documentation is pretty good, but a lot of the other things about

>postgresql (like the website) need a lot of work. Postgresql gives the
>impression of being a second rate disorganized product if you were to just
>go by the website alone.
>

Isn't that true of just about any OSS project? Heck, Linux doesn't even
have a website ;).
MySQL is not an OSS project, it is an OSS product with a commercial
company backing it. There is a big difference.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake

You're kidding me...

linux.org
linux.com (ewwww, way to cluttered these days)
linuxhq.org
linuxhq.com (looks like their undergoing a facelift)

for i in linux.com linux.org linux.info linuxhq.org linuxhq.com; do echo $i
whois $i | grep -i -4 Registrant
done | more_filtering

linux.com

Registrant:
VA Software Corporation (OSDN)
47071 Bayside Parkway
Fremont, CA 94538
US

linux.org

Registrant ID:22275688-NSI
Registrant Name:Linux Online, Inc
Registrant Organization:Linux Online, Inc
Registrant Street1:59 E. River St, #2
Registrant City:Ogdensburg
Registrant State/Province:NY
Registrant Postal Code:13669
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Email:mm******@INVLOGIC.COM

linux.info
Trademark Number:4346339
Sponsoring Registrar:R110-LRMS
Status:ACTIVE
Status:OK
Registrant ID:C20726-LRMS
Registrant Name:Tokio Matsumoto
Registrant Organization:Bijou Co.ltd.
Registrant Street1:17-2 harumi-cho
Registrant City:kasugai
Registrant State/Province:Aichi
Registrant Postal Code:4860837
Registrant Country:JP
Registrant Phone:[phone]
Registrant FAX:[phone]
Registrant Email:cu*****@kctv.ne.jp

linuxhq.org
Last Updated On:19-Nov-2003 19:30:36 UTC
Expiration Date:16-Dec-2005 05:00:00 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R91-LROR
Status:OK
Registrant ID:GODA-01869555
Registrant Name:Taylor Kimball
Registrant Street1:5701 Lindero Canyon Road
Registrant City:Westlake
Registrant State/Province:California
Registrant Postal Code:91364
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:[phone]
Registrant Email:ta*********@yahoo.com

linuxhq.com

Registrant:
Linux Headquarters, Inc (LINUXHQ-DOM)
59 E. River St, #2
Ogdensburg, NY 13669
US

Not a single one of these sites belongs to anyone with any official
standing vis-a-vis Linux.

Actually, if there _is_ an "official" Linux site, it is kernel.org:

$ whois kernel.org | filtering

Domain ID:D169413-LROR
Domain Name:KERNEL.ORG
Created On:07-Mar-1997 05:00:00 UTC
Last Updated On:12-Jan-2004 05:33:05 UTC
Expiration Date:08-Mar-2009 05:00:00 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R42-LROR
Status:OK
Registrant ID:0-698778-Gandi
Registrant Name:Transmeta Corporation
Registrant Organization:Transmeta Corporation
Registrant Street1:Attn: H. Peter Anvin
Registrant Street2:3990 Freedom Circle
Registrant City:Santa Clara
Registrant State/Province:California
Registrant Postal Code:95054
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Email:ho********@kernel.org

Peter Anvin, unlike all the other registrants of domains you
mentioned, is, in fact, a Linux developer.

MySQL is not an OSS project, it is an OSS product with a commercial
company backing it. There is a big difference.

I would reword that a bit...

MySQL(tm) is not an OSS project. It is a commercial product whose
owners permit access to an "OSS" version of it.

Furthermore, "MySQL" is not one thing, but rather _three_ things, all
of which are tightly held by one entity:

1. It is a trademark. You can't use it except with permission of 3.

2. That trademark is used to describe a set of products mostly having
to do with databases.

3. It is the name of a company, MySQL AB, that are the owners of 1
and 2.

Indeed, pointing back at #2, I would suggest that MOST of the
discussion has been overly loose in usage of the proprietary
trademarks. The vendor (#3) expects people describing the product in
public to properly reference the fact that it is a registered
trademark, via use of "(tm)".
--
let name="cbbrowne" and tld="libertyrms.info" in String.concat "@" [name;tld];;
<http://dev6.int.libertyrms.com/>
Christopher Browne
[phone] x124 (land)

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:40:04AM -0800, Chris Ochs wrote:

I am playing around with Erserver, but the download has to be updated from
cvs or it won't even compile (corrupted file in the distribution). It
Fixing this has been on my TODO list for several weeks now, but it
keeps failing to make it to the top. (Fortunately, at work vacations
are more or less all done, and we've hired another person, so I may
actually have some time soon to do something about this.)
appears to me at first glance that it is not actively being worked on,
It certainly is. There's a mailing list where you can follow
development.
The Erserver I downloaded is free, although I was confused also because I
found that same page that said it was $1000. I'm still not sure if the
erserver I downloaded is the only version, or if there is a commercial
version?

There's a commercial version as well. It shares some of, but not all
of, the code.

A

--
Andrew Sullivan
It never occurred to them that, if everyone had to think outside the box,
maybe it was the box that needed fixing.
--Malcom Gladwell

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ?

http://www.postgresql.org/docs/faqs/FAQ.html

[Steve Atkins]

On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 12:37:55PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

I used to have that complaint until I got more aquainted with the docs.
When I used to use mysql I found that if I used search feature on their
docs
I could find exactly what I was looking for almost immediately. When I use
the postgres doc search feature I don't get the same experience. It is

Our doc search sucks. No question... there has been some work recently on it
but it doesn't seem to be that reliable. So you have us on that one.

Would there be any interest in a standalone, non web-based, version of
the docs, with a built-in search engine? Similar to, say, MSDN or Qt
documentation.

Cheers,
Steve
---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives?

http://archives.postgresql.org

[Devrim GUNDUZ]

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1
Hi,

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Andrew Sullivan wrote:

On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:40:04AM -0800, Chris Ochs wrote:

I am playing around with Erserver, but the download has to be updated from
cvs or it won't even compile (corrupted file in the distribution). It

Fixing this has been on my TODO list for several weeks now, but it
keeps failing to make it to the top. (Fortunately, at work vacations
are more or less all done, and we've hired another person, so I may
actually have some time soon to do something about this.)

In fact we would announce it next week, but I and Nicolai Tufar patched
eRServer current CVS version last week, since it fails to configure
and compile on most systems.

Here is the url for the patches and patched versions:

http://www.tdmsoft.com/PostgreSQL/download/

We'll submit the patches to gborg next week.

Regards,
- --
Devrim GUNDUZ
de****@gunduz.org de***********@linux.org.tr
http://www.TDMSoft.com
http://www.gunduz.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux)

iD8DBQFADNXftl86P3SPfQ4RAjR2AKCtVMoDCIWh5aAnJKKlw/R+8em1VACfZCWR
FZWueuj306ZVey/ihfI6scQ=
=r+O5
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend

[Andrew Sullivan]

On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 09:16:45AM +0200, Devrim GUNDUZ wrote:

In fact we would announce it next week, but I and Nicolai Tufar patched
eRServer current CVS version last week, since it fails to configure
and compile on most systems.

Bug reports are welcome. I look forward to the patches.

A

--
Andrew Sullivan

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

[Bruce Momjian]

Tom Lane wrote:

Csaba Nagy <na**@ecircle-ag.com> writes:

On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 16:14, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

why not use pgsql-chat, which isn't being used at all right now ... ?

I have the impression that these "Postgres vs MySQL vs XXX" stuff is
regularly started up by newcomers to this list. So wherever you will
decide to move it, it will still pop up here - the new-comers will know
nothing about being elsewhere, except it is called something very-very
suggestive, like "postgres-mysql-compare".
Even then, it will pop up here too, and it carries the risk of heated
answers even from long term subscribers. Could this be really moderated
?
If there is to be a new list, please name it very-very suggestively,
otherwise it has no point.

I think this analysis is dead-on. Pointing to pgsql-chat won't
accomplish anything.

I always felt advocacy was the right place for database comparisons
directed to increasing market share.

--
Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us
pg***@candle.pha.pa.us | [phone]
+ If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road
+ Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073

---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
TIP 7: don't forget to increase your free space map settings