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This mail list and its policies

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I had no idea that my address was being broadcast to the world via
comp.databases.postgresql.general I have no problem with having messages sent
to the list go to the group. I do have a problem with my address out there in
the free and clear. Shouldn't the initial subscription notice let new sub-
scribers know that their address will be broadcast over the planet?
What's the logic and/or justification for doing this? I can handle the spam
using the delete key but I really don't like the additional burden that it
puts on my ISP. I would have posted via usenet had I known about this policy.
As a matter of fact that's what I intend to do from now on. Well this
address was good for some time and now it's tainted. The list owner
should send out as part of the pre-subscription message a warning that
the address they use will show up on usenet and the www.

Things that should be done as a responsible list:

1. warning in the pre-subscription notice about broadcasting the address

2. option to hide the sender, from addresses and any other address except
pg***********@postgresql.org and any address that's in the body.

3. don't allow bcc to the list and don't forward messages to
in**@postgresql.org to the list.

I wonder how many subscribers to the list know that their address is
"out there" now? I suppose many have found out recently.

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Nov 11 '05 #1
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expect <ex****@ihubbell.com> writes:
I do have a problem with my address out there in
the free and clear.


Get a life (or at least a spam-blocker). What other lists can you
name that have the policies you think are "responsible"?

regards, tom lane

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Nov 11 '05 #2

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On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 20:59:53 -0700,
expect <ex****@ihubbell.com> wrote:

I had no idea that my address was being broadcast to the world via
comp.databases.postgresql.general I have no problem with having messages sent
to the list go to the group. I do have a problem with my address out there in
the free and clear. Shouldn't the initial subscription notice let new sub-
scribers know that their address will be broadcast over the planet?
Not really, as addresses on technical lists generally are available on
the web archives.
What's the logic and/or justification for doing this? I can handle the spam
using the delete key but I really don't like the additional burden that it
puts on my ISP. I would have posted via usenet had I known about this policy.
As a matter of fact that's what I intend to do from now on. Well this
address was good for some time and now it's tainted. The list owner
should send out as part of the pre-subscription message a warning that
the address they use will show up on usenet and the www.
To make it easier to communicate with people.
Things that should be done as a responsible list:


One option for you is to use the list address in the from header when
posting to the list. That will hide your address and not break replies.
Most likely the list checks the envelope sender address to see whether
or not the message needs moderator approval. So you should be able to
have your messages go through right away if you keep the envelope sender
address the same as your subscription address.

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Nov 11 '05 #3

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On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 23:25, Tom Lane wrote:
expect <ex****@ihubbell.com> writes: [snip] Get a life (or at least a spam-blocker).


Even with spam blockers, the spam/virus still must be downloaded
from the server, and if the person is on dial-up, that can be *most*
painful:
In the 24 hour period from yesterday noon to today noon, I received
209 "MS Update" viruses, each of which is 153KB.

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Ron Johnson, Jr. ro***********@cox.net
Jefferson, LA USA

PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals
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Nov 11 '05 #4

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Ron Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 23:25, Tom Lane wrote:
expect <ex****@ihubbell.com> writes:


[snip]
Get a life (or at least a spam-blocker).

Even with spam blockers, the spam/virus still must be downloaded
from the server, and if the person is on dial-up, that can be *most*
painful:
In the 24 hour period from yesterday noon to today noon, I received
209 "MS Update" viruses, each of which is 153KB.


With a dial-up is better anyway download only the headers and delete it
if is spam.
Regards
Gaetano Mendola

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Nov 11 '05 #5

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Hello,

Just run IMAP. That way all the mail stay one the server. Your
system will just grab the headers and you can delete as required.
Also you could installed something like spamassassin on the server (if
you ISP) will let you.

J
Gaetano Mendola wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 23:25, Tom Lane wrote:
expect <ex****@ihubbell.com> writes:

[snip]
Get a life (or at least a spam-blocker).


Even with spam blockers, the spam/virus still must be downloaded from
the server, and if the person is on dial-up, that can be *most*
painful:
In the 24 hour period from yesterday noon to today noon, I received
209 "MS Update" viruses, each of which is 153KB.


With a dial-up is better anyway download only the headers and delete
it if is spam.
Regards
Gaetano Mendola

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Nov 11 '05 #6

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On Sat, 2003-09-20 at 11:04, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Hello,

Just run IMAP. That way all the mail stay one the server. Your
system will just grab the headers and you can delete as required.
Also you could installed something like spamassassin on the server (if
you ISP) will let you.
Get BigISP to let me run an IMAP daemon on their servers?
Gaetano Mendola wrote:
Ron Johnson wrote:
On Thu, 2003-09-18 at 23:25, Tom Lane wrote:

expect <ex****@ihubbell.com> writes:
[snip]

Get a life (or at least a spam-blocker).

Even with spam blockers, the spam/virus still must be downloaded from
the server, and if the person is on dial-up, that can be *most*
painful:
In the 24 hour period from yesterday noon to today noon, I received
209 "MS Update" viruses, each of which is 153KB.


With a dial-up is better anyway download only the headers and delete
it if is spam.


--
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Ron Johnson, Jr. ro***********@cox.net
Jefferson, LA USA

"Basically, I got on the plane with a bomb. Basically, I tried
to ignite it. Basically, yeah, I intended to damage the plane."
RICHARD REID, tried to blow up American Airlines Flight 63
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Nov 11 '05 #7

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Sorry Tom,
I refuse to post my email addy as well. If you want to send me an email,
visit http://www.rons-sandbox.com and fill out the form and submit it. I'm
not here for the convenience of others. I get enough spam without asking for
more.

Regards,

Ron Hagerman

"Tom Lane" <tg*@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote in message
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expect <ex****@ihubbell.com> writes:
I do have a problem with my address out there in
the free and clear.


Get a life (or at least a spam-blocker). What other lists can you
name that have the policies you think are "responsible"?

regards, tom lane

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joining column's datatypes do not match

Nov 11 '05 #8

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