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move to usenet?

Hello everyone,

This is not a troll and I certainly don't want to start a holy war but
wouldn't it be a good idea to move the postgresql lists from the
mailing list approach to usenet? IMHO it's more open and easier to work
with. As it is now, there are some postgreql usenet groups but hardly
anything happens there.

Just an idea...

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Nov 11 '05 #1
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On Tuesday 19 Aug 2003 09:06 in
<20************************@koshin.dsl.systemec.nl >, Jules Alberts
(ju***********@arbodienst-limburg.nl) wrote:
This is not a troll and I certainly don't want to start a holy war but
wouldn't it be a good idea to move the postgresql lists from the
mailing list approach to usenet?


I don't know about anybody else, but I am already reading these messages
from a Usenet newsserver. I do not receive them as e-mail.

I agree that many messages are not formatted according to Usenet
conventions, but I normally attribute that to Windows users who know
nothing about the Internet. Thus, top-posting and full-quoting are rife all
across Usenet.

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Dave [RLU#314465]
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Nov 11 '05 #2
I use outlook express to visit news.postgresql.org now.
It works well.

"David W Noon" <dw****@spamtrap.ntlworld.com>
news:1o************@my-pc.ntlworld.com...
On Tuesday 19 Aug 2003 09:06 in
<20************************@koshin.dsl.systemec.nl >, Jules Alberts
(ju***********@arbodienst-limburg.nl) wrote:
This is not a troll and I certainly don't want to start a holy war but
wouldn't it be a good idea to move the postgresql lists from the
mailing list approach to usenet?
I don't know about anybody else, but I am already reading these messages
from a Usenet newsserver. I do not receive them as e-mail.

I agree that many messages are not formatted according to Usenet
conventions, but I normally attribute that to Windows users who know
nothing about the Internet. Thus, top-posting and full-quoting are rife

all across Usenet.

--
Regards,

Dave [RLU#314465]
================================================== ====
dw****@spamtrap.ntlworld.com (David W Noon)
Remove spam trap to reply via e-mail.
================================================== ====

Nov 11 '05 #3
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Jules Alberts wrote:
Hello everyone,

This is not a troll and I certainly don't want to start a holy war but
wouldn't it be a good idea to move the postgresql lists from the
mailing list approach to usenet? IMHO it's more open and easier to work
with. As it is now, there are some postgreql usenet groups but hardly
anything happens there.


Actually, the news feeds are supposed to be mirrored out to the individual
news groups, i.e. we gateway the mailing lists to usenet.

I think Spam is probably the main reason we stick with mailing lists. As
bad as email spam is, usenet spam is far worse, and harder to filter.
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Nov 11 '05 #4
Op 19 Aug 2003 (15:35), schreef The Hermit Hacker <sc*****@postgresql.org>:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Jules Alberts wrote:
Hello everyone,

This is not a troll and I certainly don't want to start a holy war but
wouldn't it be a good idea to move the postgresql lists from the
mailing list approach to usenet? IMHO it's more open and easier to
work with. As it is now, there are some postgreql usenet groups but
hardly anything happens there.


connect to news.us.postgresql.org or news.fr.postgresql.org if you want
to get all messages/groups ... they are all gate'd ... if anyone out
there is running a news server that is willing to provide a relay point,
please contact me, and we'll work on getting a feed in place ...


Thanks for the tip. I can't find these groups on usenet, but I will ask
my provider if he can get them, shouldn't be a problem. Another
question: are these groups only a reflection of the mailinglist, or is
it also possible to do postings there. Will these be visible to the
mailinglist?

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Nov 11 '05 #5
On Tuesday 19 Aug 2003 15:43 in <bh**********@news.hub.org>, Chris M
(ch***@none.none) wrote:
I use outlook express to visit news.postgresql.org now.
It works well.


Thank you for top-posting and full-quoting, just to prove my point. ... :-)

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Dave [RLU#314465]
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Nov 11 '05 #6
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Jules Alberts wrote:
Op 19 Aug 2003 (15:35), schreef The Hermit Hacker <sc*****@postgresql.org>:
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Jules Alberts wrote:
Hello everyone,

This is not a troll and I certainly don't want to start a holy war but
wouldn't it be a good idea to move the postgresql lists from the
mailing list approach to usenet? IMHO it's more open and easier to
work with. As it is now, there are some postgreql usenet groups but
hardly anything happens there.


connect to news.us.postgresql.org or news.fr.postgresql.org if you want
to get all messages/groups ... they are all gate'd ... if anyone out
there is running a news server that is willing to provide a relay point,
please contact me, and we'll work on getting a feed in place ...


Thanks for the tip. I can't find these groups on usenet, but I will ask
my provider if he can get them, shouldn't be a problem. Another
question: are these groups only a reflection of the mailinglist, or is
it also possible to do postings there. Will these be visible to the
mailinglist?


The gateway is bi-directional, but unless you are actually subscribed to
the mailing list (there is a set nomail option available), your posting
has to go through the moderator (me) before it gets to the mailing list
*from* usenet ...
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Nov 11 '05 #7
Hee Hee, but I _**LIKE**_ top quoting.

Greg Stark wrote:
Oh the irony.

"Chris M" <ch***@none.none> writes:
I use outlook express to visit news.postgresql.org now.
It works well.

"David W Noon" <dw****@spamtrap.ntlworld.com>
news:1o************@my-pc.ntlworld.com...

On Tuesday 19 Aug 2003 09:06 in
<20************************@koshin.dsl.systemec .nl>, Jules Alberts
(ju***********@arbodienst-limburg.nl) wrote:

This is not a troll and I certainly don't want to start a holy war but
wouldn't it be a good idea to move the postgresql lists from the
mailing list approach to usenet?
I don't know about anybody else, but I am already reading these messages
from a Usenet newsserver. I do not receive them as e-mail.

I agree that many messages are not formatted according to Usenet
conventions, but I normally attribute that to Windows users who know
nothing about the Internet. Thus, top-posting and full-quoting are rife

all

across Usenet.

--
Regards,

Dave [RLU#314465]
=============================================== =======
dw****@spamtrap.ntlworld.com (David W Noon)
Remove spam trap to reply via e-mail.
=============================================== =======


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Nov 11 '05 #8
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:40, Dennis Gearon wrote:
Hee Hee, but I _**LIKE**_ top quoting.


That's good. Top-quoting is good.

Top posting, on the other hand, is bad. It's also what you did.

Stephen
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Nov 11 '05 #9

Dennis Gearon <ge*****@fireserve.net> writes:
Scrolling down to the bottom of 100 emails a day takes time.


Well that's why it's silly to quote entire messages. People can always go back
and read the old messages if that's what they want to do. No need to have
umpteen copies of them flying back and forth.

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Nov 11 '05 #10
Depends,

for short statements as a general reply to a whole message, top posting
is OK. But for in depth, paragraph by paragraph analyzis of technical
topics I will continue with inline quoting.
Jan

Stephen Robert Norris wrote:
On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 08:40, Dennis Gearon wrote:
Hee Hee, but I _**LIKE**_ top quoting.


That's good. Top-quoting is good.

Top posting, on the other hand, is bad. It's also what you did.

Stephen


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