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Postgress and MYSQL

To whom it may concern:

I find the recent articles in various trade publications a little
disturbing due to the lack of PostgrSQL mention. I continue to see
articles about how IBM may be considering MYSQL for development an
open_source web database.

Why isn't PostgreSQL being considered or talked about by major industry
giants? As a DBA I know that Postgres is far superior to MYSQL but if
the industry directs it's energies towards open-source database this
coming year I think somehow PostgreSQL needs to be represented better.
Bob Powell
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Nov 22 '05
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On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Francois Suter wrote:
why not use pgsql-chat, which isn't being used at all right now ... ?

I would suggest that we consider forming a pgsql-competitive email
list for


Whatever, but using another mailing is definitely an excellent idea. I
actually stopped reading -general recently because it got bogged down
in yet another PostgreSQL vs MySQL debate. And the same happens to
advocacy too, although less frequently.

Then again this means that whoever moderates -general (is that you
Marc?) would have to move PostgreSQL vs MySQL threads to the other
mailing list whenever they crop up, otherwise any benefits will be
lost.


actually, nobody "moderates" any of the lists, except for pgsql-www, and
that is only for subscribers ...

What it means is that those that are on this list, if they see a tangent
tread popping up, need to learn to respond to the correct list, CC'ng in
the original poster, so that subsequent responses go to the other list ...

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Nov 22 '05 #61
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Tom Lane wrote:
Csaba Nagy <na**@ecircle-ag.com> writes:
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 16:14, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
why not use pgsql-chat, which isn't being used at all right now ... ?

I have the impression that these "Postgres vs MySQL vs XXX" stuff is
regularly started up by newcomers to this list. So wherever you will
decide to move it, it will still pop up here - the new-comers will know
nothing about being elsewhere, except it is called something very-very
suggestive, like "postgres-mysql-compare".
Even then, it will pop up here too, and it carries the risk of heated
answers even from long term subscribers. Could this be really moderated
?
If there is to be a new list, please name it very-very suggestively,
otherwise it has no point.


I think this analysis is dead-on. Pointing to pgsql-chat won't
accomplish anything.


No, but if ppl change the CC to pgsql-general to pgsql-chat, so that there
responses went to that list and didn't go to -general, ppl would slowly
learn ...

Even if the Postgress and MYSQL thread was originally sent to -general, if
everyone that responded ot it changed pgsql-general -> pgsql-chat, then
the onoly thing that would have touched the -general list would have been
that original message ...

Its a matter of how much energy ppl are willing to expend on keeping the
lists more pure, that's all ...

again, as long as you CC in the person that started it originally, so that
they know that the topic has shifted to a different list ...
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Nov 22 '05 #62
ne******@vcsn.c om ("Keith C. Perry") writes:
Quoting "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprom pt.com>:
>Look I love postgresql, but reality is reality. The database itself is
>great, the documentation is pretty good, but a lot of the other things about
>postgresql (like the website) need a lot of work. Postgresql gives the
>impression of being a second rate disorganized product if you were to just
>go by the website alone.
>

Isn't that true of just about any OSS project? Heck, Linux doesn't even
have a website ;).
MySQL is not an OSS project, it is an OSS product with a commercial
company backing it. There is a big difference.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake


You're kidding me...

linux.org
linux.com (ewwww, way to cluttered these days)
linuxhq.org
linuxhq.com (looks like their undergoing a facelift)


for i in linux.com linux.org linux.info linuxhq.org linuxhq.com; do echo $i
whois $i | grep -i -4 Registrant
done | more_filtering


linux.com

Registrant:
VA Software Corporation (OSDN)
47071 Bayside Parkway
Fremont, CA 94538
US

linux.org

Registrant ID:22275688-NSI
Registrant Name:Linux Online, Inc
Registrant Organization:Li nux Online, Inc
Registrant Street1:59 E. River St, #2
Registrant City:Ogdensburg
Registrant State/Province:NY
Registrant Postal Code:13669
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Email:mm******@ INVLOGIC.COM

linux.info
Trademark Number:4346339
Sponsoring Registrar:R110-LRMS
Status:ACTIVE
Status:OK
Registrant ID:C20726-LRMS
Registrant Name:Tokio Matsumoto
Registrant Organization:Bi jou Co.ltd.
Registrant Street1:17-2 harumi-cho
Registrant City:kasugai
Registrant State/Province:Aichi
Registrant Postal Code:4860837
Registrant Country:JP
Registrant Phone:+81.05685 68208
Registrant FAX:+81.0568568 208
Registrant Email:cu*****@k ctv.ne.jp

linuxhq.org
Last Updated On:19-Nov-2003 19:30:36 UTC
Expiration Date:16-Dec-2005 05:00:00 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R91-LROR
Status:OK
Registrant ID:GODA-01869555
Registrant Name:Taylor Kimball
Registrant Street1:5701 Lindero Canyon Road
Registrant City:Westlake
Registrant State/Province:Califo rnia
Registrant Postal Code:91364
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.818618 0510
Registrant Email:ta******* **@yahoo.com

linuxhq.com

Registrant:
Linux Headquarters, Inc (LINUXHQ-DOM)
59 E. River St, #2
Ogdensburg, NY 13669
US

Not a single one of these sites belongs to anyone with any official
standing vis-a-vis Linux.

Actually, if there _is_ an "official" Linux site, it is kernel.org:

$ whois kernel.org | filtering

Domain ID:D169413-LROR
Domain Name:KERNEL.ORG
Created On:07-Mar-1997 05:00:00 UTC
Last Updated On:12-Jan-2004 05:33:05 UTC
Expiration Date:08-Mar-2009 05:00:00 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:R42-LROR
Status:OK
Registrant ID:0-698778-Gandi
Registrant Name:Transmeta Corporation
Registrant Organization:Tr ansmeta Corporation
Registrant Street1:Attn: H. Peter Anvin
Registrant Street2:3990 Freedom Circle
Registrant City:Santa Clara
Registrant State/Province:Califo rnia
Registrant Postal Code:95054
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Email:ho******* *@kernel.org

Peter Anvin, unlike all the other registrants of domains you
mentioned, is, in fact, a Linux developer.
MySQL is not an OSS project, it is an OSS product with a commercial
company backing it. There is a big difference.


I would reword that a bit...

MySQL(tm) is not an OSS project. It is a commercial product whose
owners permit access to an "OSS" version of it.

Furthermore, "MySQL" is not one thing, but rather _three_ things, all
of which are tightly held by one entity:

1. It is a trademark. You can't use it except with permission of 3.

2. That trademark is used to describe a set of products mostly having
to do with databases.

3. It is the name of a company, MySQL AB, that are the owners of 1
and 2.

Indeed, pointing back at #2, I would suggest that MOST of the
discussion has been overly loose in usage of the proprietary
trademarks. The vendor (#3) expects people describing the product in
public to properly reference the fact that it is a registered
trademark, via use of "(tm)".
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Nov 22 '05 #63
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:40:04AM -0800, Chris Ochs wrote:
I am playing around with Erserver, but the download has to be updated from
cvs or it won't even compile (corrupted file in the distribution). It
Fixing this has been on my TODO list for several weeks now, but it
keeps failing to make it to the top. (Fortunately, at work vacations
are more or less all done, and we've hired another person, so I may
actually have some time soon to do something about this.)
appears to me at first glance that it is not actively being worked on,
It certainly is. There's a mailing list where you can follow
development.
The Erserver I downloaded is free, although I was confused also because I
found that same page that said it was $1000. I'm still not sure if the
erserver I downloaded is the only version, or if there is a commercial
version?


There's a commercial version as well. It shares some of, but not all
of, the code.

A

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Nov 22 '05 #64
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 12:37:55PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
I used to have that complaint until I got more aquainted with the docs.
When I used to use mysql I found that if I used search feature on their
docs
I could find exactly what I was looking for almost immediately. When I use
the postgres doc search feature I don't get the same experience. It is

Our doc search sucks. No question... there has been some work recently on it
but it doesn't seem to be that reliable. So you have us on that one.


Would there be any interest in a standalone, non web-based, version of
the docs, with a built-in search engine? Similar to, say, MSDN or Qt
documentation.

Cheers,
Steve
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Nov 22 '05 #65
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:40:04AM -0800, Chris Ochs wrote:
I am playing around with Erserver, but the download has to be updated from
cvs or it won't even compile (corrupted file in the distribution). It


Fixing this has been on my TODO list for several weeks now, but it
keeps failing to make it to the top. (Fortunately, at work vacations
are more or less all done, and we've hired another person, so I may
actually have some time soon to do something about this.)


In fact we would announce it next week, but I and Nicolai Tufar patched
eRServer current CVS version last week, since it fails to configure
and compile on most systems.

Here is the url for the patches and patched versions:

http://www.tdmsoft.com/PostgreSQL/download/

We'll submit the patches to gborg next week.

Regards,
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http://www.TDMSoft.com
http://www.gunduz.org
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Nov 22 '05 #66
On Tue, Jan 20, 2004 at 09:16:45AM +0200, Devrim GUNDUZ wrote:
In fact we would announce it next week, but I and Nicolai Tufar patched
eRServer current CVS version last week, since it fails to configure
and compile on most systems.


Bug reports are welcome. I look forward to the patches.

A

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Nov 22 '05 #67
Tom Lane wrote:
Csaba Nagy <na**@ecircle-ag.com> writes:
On Thu, 2004-01-15 at 16:14, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
why not use pgsql-chat, which isn't being used at all right now ... ?

I have the impression that these "Postgres vs MySQL vs XXX" stuff is
regularly started up by newcomers to this list. So wherever you will
decide to move it, it will still pop up here - the new-comers will know
nothing about being elsewhere, except it is called something very-very
suggestive, like "postgres-mysql-compare".
Even then, it will pop up here too, and it carries the risk of heated
answers even from long term subscribers. Could this be really moderated
?
If there is to be a new list, please name it very-very suggestively,
otherwise it has no point.


I think this analysis is dead-on. Pointing to pgsql-chat won't
accomplish anything.


I always felt advocacy was the right place for database comparisons
directed to increasing market share.

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