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Anyone out there using beta 2 in production situations? Comments on
stability? I am rolling out a project in the next 4 weeks, and really
don't want to go though an upgrade soon after its released on an
Unsuspecting Client, so I would LIKE to start working with 7.4.

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And that has nothing to do with user need as a whole, since the care
level I mentioned is predicated by the developer interest level.
While I know, Marc, how the whole project got started (I have read the
first posts), and I appreciate that you, Bruce, Thomas, and Vadim
started the original core team because you were and are users of
PostgreSQL, I sincerely believe that in this instance you are out of
touch with this need of many of today's userbase. And I say that with
full knowledge of PostgreSQL Inc.'s support role. If given the choice
between upgrading capability, PITR, and Win32 support, my vote would
go to upgrading. Then migrating to PITR won't be a PITN.


If someone is willing to pony up 2000.00 per month for a period of at
least 6 months, I will dedicated one of my programmers to the task. So
if you want it bad enough there it is. I will donate all changes,
patches etc.. to the project and I will cover the additional costs that
are over and above the 12,000. If we get it done quicker, all the better.

Sincerely,

Joshua Drake

--
Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC
Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting.
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Nov 11 '05 #121
Hmmm, ok, I can't retask any of my people or reallocation funds for this year
but I can personally do 5 to 10% of that monthly cost.

Some more people and project plan- then the ball could roll :)

Quoting "Joshua D. Drake" <jd@commandprom pt.com>:

And that has nothing to do with user need as a whole, since the care
level I mentioned is predicated by the developer interest level.
While I know, Marc, how the whole project got started (I have read the
first posts), and I appreciate that you, Bruce, Thomas, and Vadim
started the original core team because you were and are users of
PostgreSQL, I sincerely believe that in this instance you are out of
touch with this need of many of today's userbase. And I say that with
full knowledge of PostgreSQL Inc.'s support role. If given the choice
between upgrading capability, PITR, and Win32 support, my vote would
go to upgrading. Then migrating to PITR won't be a PITN.


If someone is willing to pony up 2000.00 per month for a period of at
least 6 months, I will dedicated one of my programmers to the task. So
if you want it bad enough there it is. I will donate all changes,
patches etc.. to the project and I will cover the additional costs that
are over and above the 12,000. If we get it done quicker, all the better.

Sincerely,

Joshua Drake

--
Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC
Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting.
+1-503-222-2783 - jd@commandpromp t.com - http://www.commandprompt.com
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Nov 11 '05 #122

Let me run some numbers. I'm interested in the idea, and I think I can
push one of my clients on it.

Do the core folk (Tom/Bruce/Jan/etc) think this is doable with that
sort of time commitment? Is it maintainable over time? Or are we
pissing in the wind?

On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 03:59 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

And that has nothing to do with user need as a whole, since the care
level I mentioned is predicated by the developer interest level.
While I know, Marc, how the whole project got started (I have read
the first posts), and I appreciate that you, Bruce, Thomas, and Vadim
started the original core team because you were and are users of
PostgreSQL, I sincerely believe that in this instance you are out of
touch with this need of many of today's userbase. And I say that with
full knowledge of PostgreSQL Inc.'s support role. If given the
choice between upgrading capability, PITR, and Win32 support, my vote
would go to upgrading. Then migrating to PITR won't be a PITN.


If someone is willing to pony up 2000.00 per month for a period of at
least 6 months, I will dedicated one of my programmers to the task. So
if you want it bad enough there it is. I will donate all changes,
patches etc.. to the project and I will cover the additional costs
that are over and above the 12,000. If we get it done quicker, all the
better.

Sincerely,

Joshua Drake

--
Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC
Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting.
+1-503-222-2783 - jd@commandpromp t.com - http://www.commandprompt.com
The most reliable support for the most reliable Open Source database.

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Nov 11 '05 #123

And that has nothing to do with user need as a whole, since the care
level I mentioned is predicated by the developer interest level.
While I know, Marc, how the whole project got started (I have read the
first posts), and I appreciate that you, Bruce, Thomas, and Vadim
started the original core team because you were and are users of
PostgreSQL, I sincerely believe that in this instance you are out of
touch with this need of many of today's userbase.


Huh? I have no disagreement that upgrading is a key feature that we are
lacking ... but, if there are any *on disk* changes between releases, how
do you propose 'in place upgrades'? Granted, if its just changes to the
system catalogs and such, pg_upgrade should be able to be taught to handle
it .. I haven't seen anyone step up to do so, and for someone spending so
much time pushing for an upgrade path, I haven't seen you pony up the time
....

Just curious here ... but, with all the time you've spent pushing for an
"easy upgrade path", have you looked at the other RDBMSs and how they deal
with upgrades? I think its going to be a sort of apples-to-oranges thing,
since I imagine that most of the 'big ones' don't change their disk
formats anymore ...

What I'd be curious about is how badly we compare as far as major releases
are concerned ... I don't believe we've had a x.y.z release yet that
required a dump/reload (and if so, it was a very very special
circumstance), but what about x.y releases? In Oracle's case, i don't
think they do x.y.z releases, do they? Only X and x.y?

K, looking back through that it almost sounds like a ramble ... hopefully
you understand what I'm asking ...

I know when I was at the University, and they dealt with Oracle upgrades,
the guys plan'd for a weekend ...

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Nov 11 '05 #124
Lamar Owen wrote:
And that has nothing to do with user need as a whole, since the care
level I mentioned is predicated by the developer interest level. While
I know, Marc, how the whole project got started (I have read the first
posts), and I appreciate that you, Bruce, Thomas, and Vadim started the
original core team because you were and are users of PostgreSQL, I
sincerely believe that in this instance you are out of touch with this
need of many of today's userbase. And I say that with full knowledge of
PostgreSQL Inc.'s support role. If given the choice between upgrading
capability, PITR, and Win32 support, my vote would go to upgrading. Then
migrating to PITR won't be a PITN.
Ouch. I'd like to see an easy upgrade path, but I'd rather have a 7.5
with PITR then an in-place upgrade. Perhaps the demand for either is
associated with the size of the db vs. the fear associated with an
inability to restore to a point-in-time. My fear of an accidental:

DELETE FROM foo;

is greater than my loathing of the upgrade process.
What good are great features if it's a PITN to get upgraded to them?


What good is an in-place upgrade without new features?

(I'm kinda joking here) ;-)

Mike Mascari
ma*****@mascari .com


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Nov 11 '05 #125
It's be EXTREMELY cool if there was some relationship betweenn the code for;

PITR and
Inplace upgrades

Any possibility of overlaps?

Mike Mascari wrote:
Lamar Owen wrote:
And that has nothing to do with user need as a whole, since the care
level I mentioned is predicated by the developer interest level. While
I know, Marc, how the whole project got started (I have read the first
posts), and I appreciate that you, Bruce, Thomas, and Vadim started the
original core team because you were and are users of PostgreSQL, I
sincerely believe that in this instance you are out of touch with this
need of many of today's userbase. And I say that with full knowledge of
PostgreSQL Inc.'s support role. If given the choice between upgrading
capability, PITR, and Win32 support, my vote would go to upgrading. Then
migrating to PITR won't be a PITN.


Ouch. I'd like to see an easy upgrade path, but I'd rather have a 7.5
with PITR then an in-place upgrade. Perhaps the demand for either is
associated with the size of the db vs. the fear associated with an
inability to restore to a point-in-time. My fear of an accidental:

DELETE FROM foo;

is greater than my loathing of the upgrade process.
What good are great features if it's a PITN to get upgraded to them?


What good is an in-place upgrade without new features?

(I'm kinda joking here) ;-)

Mike Mascari
ma*****@mascar i.com


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Nov 11 '05 #126
As I understand it, changes that require the dump restore fall into two
categories, catalog changes, and on disk format changes. If that's the
case (I'm as likely wrong as right here, I know) then it could be that
most upgrades (say 7.4 to 7.5) could be accomplished more easier than the
occasional ones that require actual disk format changes (i.e. 7.5 to 8.0)

If that's the case, I'd imagine that as postgresql gets more mature, on
disk upgrades should become easier to implement, and dump/restore would
only be required for major version upgrades at some point.

Is that about right, and if so, would it make maintaining this kind of
program simpler if it only had to handle catalog changes?

On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Andrew Rawnsley wrote:

Let me run some numbers. I'm interested in the idea, and I think I can
push one of my clients on it.

Do the core folk (Tom/Bruce/Jan/etc) think this is doable with that
sort of time commitment? Is it maintainable over time? Or are we
pissing in the wind?

On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 03:59 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

And that has nothing to do with user need as a whole, since the care
level I mentioned is predicated by the developer interest level.
While I know, Marc, how the whole project got started (I have read
the first posts), and I appreciate that you, Bruce, Thomas, and Vadim
started the original core team because you were and are users of
PostgreSQL, I sincerely believe that in this instance you are out of
touch with this need of many of today's userbase. And I say that with
full knowledge of PostgreSQL Inc.'s support role. If given the
choice between upgrading capability, PITR, and Win32 support, my vote
would go to upgrading. Then migrating to PITR won't be a PITN.


If someone is willing to pony up 2000.00 per month for a period of at
least 6 months, I will dedicated one of my programmers to the task. So
if you want it bad enough there it is. I will donate all changes,
patches etc.. to the project and I will cover the additional costs
that are over and above the 12,000. If we get it done quicker, all the
better.

Sincerely,

Joshua Drake

--
Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC
Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting.
+1-503-222-2783 - jd@commandpromp t.com - http://www.commandprompt.com
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Nov 11 '05 #127

On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 04:51 PM, Marc G. Fournier wrote:

Just curious here ... but, with all the time you've spent pushing for
an
"easy upgrade path", have you looked at the other RDBMSs and how they
deal
with upgrades? I think its going to be a sort of apples-to-oranges
thing,
since I imagine that most of the 'big ones' don't change their disk
formats anymore ...

That's probably the thing - they've written the on-disk stuff in stone
by now. DB2 has
a lot of function rebinding to do, but thats probably a different issue.

Tying to my last post, concerning Joshua's offer to put up the labor if
we can put up the dough, given the
fact that Postgres is still in flux, do you think its even possible to
do some sort of in-place upgrade, not knowing
what may come up when you're writing 7.6?

In other words, if we pony up and get something written now, will it
need further development every time an x.y release comes up.
What I'd be curious about is how badly we compare as far as major
releases
are concerned ... I don't believe we've had a x.y.z release yet that
required a dump/reload (and if so, it was a very very special
circumstance), but what about x.y releases? In Oracle's case, i don't
think they do x.y.z releases, do they? Only X and x.y?

Lord, who knows what they're up to. They do (or did) x.y.z releases
(I'm using 8.1.6), but publicly they're
calling everything 8i,9i,10g yahdah yahdah yahdah.

I certainly will concede that (to me), upgrading Postgres is easier
than Oracle, as I can configure, compile, install,
do an initdb, and generate an entire large DDL in the time it takes the
abysmal Oracle installer to even start. Then try
to install/upgrade it on an 'unsupported' linux, like Slack...but I
don't have to do anything with the data.

To a PHB/PHC (pointy-haired-client), saying 'Oracle' is like giving
them a box of Depends, even though it doesn't save them
from a fire hose. They feel safe.
K, looking back through that it almost sounds like a ramble ...
hopefully
you understand what I'm asking ...

I know when I was at the University, and they dealt with Oracle
upgrades,
the guys plan'd for a weekend ...

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Nov 11 '05 #128
Hello,

I would imagine that it would be maintainable but it would be
something that would have to be
constantly maintained from release to release. It would have to become
part of the actual project or
it would die.

The reason I chose six months is that I figure it will be 30 days of
full time just dinking around to make
sure that we have a solid handle on how things are done for this part of
the code. Then we would know
what we think it would take. It was a gut theory but I believe it can be
done or at least a huge jump on it.
Sincerely,

Joshua Drake
Andrew Rawnsley wrote:

Let me run some numbers. I'm interested in the idea, and I think I can
push one of my clients on it.

Do the core folk (Tom/Bruce/Jan/etc) think this is doable with that
sort of time commitment? Is it maintainable over time? Or are we
pissing in the wind?

On Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 03:59 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:

And that has nothing to do with user need as a whole, since the care
level I mentioned is predicated by the developer interest level.
While I know, Marc, how the whole project got started (I have read
the first posts), and I appreciate that you, Bruce, Thomas, and
Vadim started the original core team because you were and are users
of PostgreSQL, I sincerely believe that in this instance you are out
of touch with this need of many of today's userbase. And I say that
with full knowledge of PostgreSQL Inc.'s support role. If given the
choice between upgrading capability, PITR, and Win32 support, my
vote would go to upgrading. Then migrating to PITR won't be a PITN.

If someone is willing to pony up 2000.00 per month for a period of at
least 6 months, I will dedicated one of my programmers to the task.
So if you want it bad enough there it is. I will donate all changes,
patches etc.. to the project and I will cover the additional costs
that are over and above the 12,000. If we get it done quicker, all
the better.

Sincerely,

Joshua Drake

--
Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC
Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting.
+1-503-222-2783 - jd@commandpromp t.com - http://www.commandprompt.com
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The Ravensfield Digital Resource Group, Ltd.
(740) 587-0114
www.ravensfield.com

--
Command Prompt, Inc., home of Mammoth PostgreSQL - S/ODBC and S/JDBC
Postgresql support, programming shared hosting and dedicated hosting.
+1-503-222-2783 - jd@commandpromp t.com - http://www.commandprompt.com
The most reliable support for the most reliable Open Source database.

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Nov 11 '05 #129
Tying to my last post, concerning Joshua's offer to put up the labor
if we can put up the dough, given the
fact that Postgres is still in flux, do you think its even possible to
do some sort of in-place upgrade, not knowing
what may come up when you're writing 7.6?

In other words, if we pony up and get something written now, will it
need further development every time an x.y release comes up.
There is probably no question that it will need further development.
However, I would imagine that once the intial grunt work is done it
would be much easier to migrate the code (especially if it is
continually maintained) to newer releases.

My thought process is that we would start with 7.4 codebase and as it
migrates to 7.5 move the work directly to 7.5 and if possible release
for 7.5 (although that really may be pushing it).

J

What I'd be curious about is how badly we compare as far as major
releases
are concerned ... I don't believe we've had a x.y.z release yet that
required a dump/reload (and if so, it was a very very special
circumstance), but what about x.y releases? In Oracle's case, i don't
think they do x.y.z releases, do they? Only X and x.y?


Lord, who knows what they're up to. They do (or did) x.y.z releases
(I'm using 8.1.6), but publicly they're
calling everything 8i,9i,10g yahdah yahdah yahdah.

I certainly will concede that (to me), upgrading Postgres is easier
than Oracle, as I can configure, compile, install,
do an initdb, and generate an entire large DDL in the time it takes
the abysmal Oracle installer to even start. Then try
to install/upgrade it on an 'unsupported' linux, like Slack...but I
don't have to do anything with the data.

To a PHB/PHC (pointy-haired-client), saying 'Oracle' is like giving
them a box of Depends, even though it doesn't save them
from a fire hose. They feel safe.
K, looking back through that it almost sounds like a ramble ...
hopefully
you understand what I'm asking ...

I know when I was at the University, and they dealt with Oracle
upgrades,
the guys plan'd for a weekend ...

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I have .net C# application in which I am extracting data from word file and save it in database particularly. To store word all data as it is I am converting the whole word file firstly in HTML and then checking html paragraph one by one. At the time of converting from word file to html my equations which are in the word document file was convert into image. Globals.ThisAddIn.Application.ActiveDocument.Select();...
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Hello I'm a network technician in training and I need your help. I am currently learning how to create and manage the different types of VPNs and I have a question about LAN-to-LAN VPNs. The last exercise I practiced was to create a LAN-to-LAN VPN between two Pfsense firewalls, by using IPSEC protocols. I succeeded, with both firewalls in the same network. But I'm wondering if it's possible to do the same thing, with 2 Pfsense firewalls...
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Hai team i want code for transfer the data from one system to another through IP address by using C# our system has to for every 5mins then we have to update the data what the data is updated we have to send another system

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