Best development platform? Mac, Windows or Linux?

[macca]

Hi,

I just started a new web developer job (my first actually) and the
machine they gave me to use is a Mac. Two days in and I'm running a
Win XP environment on my Mac at work (using VMWare), firstly so I can
use my favourite text editor (ConTEXT) which is only available for
windows and secondly because I've never used a Mac before.

But what do you think is the best all round development platform that
I should use as a Web Developer? Using VMWare I have a chouce of
Windows/Linux or the computers native OSX Operating Sytem.

The technologies I mostly use are LAMP technologies, but although I
think that Linux makes a great server OS, I'm just unsure if it cut's
the mustard as a development environment?

Any thoughts?

[Bill H]

On Oct 21, 4:35*pm, macca <[e-mail]:

Hi,

I just started a new web developer job (my first actually) and the
machine they gave me to use is a Mac. Two days in and I'm running a
Win XP environment on my Mac at work (using VMWare), *firstly so I can
use my favourite text editor (ConTEXT) which is only available for
windows and secondly because I've never used a Mac before.

But what do you think is the best all round development platform that
I should use as a Web Developer? Using VMWare I have a chouce of
Windows/Linux or the computers native OSX Operating Sytem.

The technologies I mostly use are LAMP technologies, but although I
think that Linux makes a great server OS, I'm just unsure if it cut's
the mustard as a development environment?

Any thoughts?

Macca

I too use Context. Overall it is a great editor, though there are some
bugs that bother me. (1 when you 1st open it, though the cursor is in
a source code to edit, hitting return or backspace deletes files from
the project listing (though not the actual file), and 2 if you do a
search or search and replace on multiple files in a project, it will
not "let go" and keeps taking you to the next result). I use context
to work on php, perl and actionscript files, it is very nice that I
can setup the color scheme to be the same in each language.

For development I work in XP using CS3 for Flash, Photoshop for
graphics, Context for programming, Webexpress and Dreamweaver for
wysywig html development. To testing php I will run it on a laptop
running Vista home premium and xampp. For actual hosting and full
scale testing I post it to a linux server. I have a Mac on my desk
which I use only to be sure that any web pages work correctly on the
mac also. This is not to knock the mac, I just have way too many
development tools and 15+ years on windows to have time to purchase
and install on the mac the different programs and then learn the
differences.
Bill H

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macca wrote:

But what do you think is the best all round development platform that
I should use as a Web Developer?

The one you're most confortable working with, taking into account your
experience, tastes, and easiness to deploy, test and commit code.

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[Lawrence Krubner]

macca wrote:

Hi,

I just started a new web developer job (my first actually) and the
machine they gave me to use is a Mac. Two days in and I'm running a
Win XP environment on my Mac at work (using VMWare), firstly so I can
use my favourite text editor (ConTEXT) which is only available for
windows and secondly because I've never used a Mac before.

But what do you think is the best all round development platform that
I should use as a Web Developer? Using VMWare I have a chouce of
Windows/Linux or the computers native OSX Operating Sytem.

The technologies I mostly use are LAMP technologies, but although I
think that Linux makes a great server OS, I'm just unsure if it cut's
the mustard as a development environment?

Any thoughts?

For awhile I felt strongly that my main development machine should run
the same flavor of Linux that my websites were running on. But then I
also needed another machine to test how the site was working in
"mainstream" machines, like Macs and PCs. That is, I need to see how the
site works in IE and Safari.

Lately I've been thinking that the Mac is the best way to go. It is
mainstream, but the terminal is right there, so I can easily go back
into the world of the command line.

[C. (http://symcbean.blogspot.com/)]

On 21 Oct, 21:35, macca <[e-mail]:

Hi,

I just started a new web developer job (my first actually) and the
machine they gave me to use is a Mac. Two days in and I'm running a
Win XP environment on my Mac at work (using VMWare), firstly so I can
use my favourite text editor (ConTEXT) which is only available for
windows and secondly because I've never used a Mac before.

But what do you think is the best all round development platform that
I should use as a Web Developer? Using VMWare I have a chouce of
Windows/Linux or the computers native OSX Operating Sytem.

The technologies I mostly use are LAMP technologies, but although I
think that Linux makes a great server OS, I'm just unsure if it cut's
the mustard as a development environment?

Any thoughts?

Learning a new editor can affect your productivity so, to a certain
extent that would be a valid reason for sticking with familiar ground.
But to go to such lengths to avoid change because you're uncomfortable
in the new environment - well that's a different story, and makes your
previous point look like sophistry. As a developer it's your job to
effect change so you should embrace it in principle. Its also a great
opportunity to learn about architecture and user-interfaces and
discover for yourself what is good and bad based on in-depth
experience rather than just a trivial skin-deep impression.

You should be applying the philosophy across the board to your
development endeavours - most PHP developers will need skills in PHP,
Javascript, HTML and SQL - within this you should be exploring
different methodologies/styles/pragmas - aspect-oriented programming,
functional programming, object-oriented programming / agile dev / PSP
- even if only one of each of these is the best approach for you /
your team - the knowledge you gain does not cease to be applied.

C.

[larry]

As many said it really doesn't matter. I use Linux and wouldn't
switch, but that is my preference. There are many development tools
for a LAMP developer, I use Quanta which is part of the KDE library of
applications.

With Linux being first a programmer's and server OS and next a general
use OS, there are plenty of advanced development tools freely
available and commercially for Linux. It is a breeze to get the LAMP
webserver going for testing on the deveopment system - most of it is
selecting PHP, MySQL and Apache from the repository, installing and
then setting passwords (all of about 20 minutes including download
time).

[Jeroen]

On Oct 22, 4:00*pm, [e-mail] wrote:

As many said it really doesn't matter. *I use Linux and wouldn't
switch, but that is my preference. *There are many development tools
for a LAMP developer, I use Quanta which is part of the KDE library of
applications.

With Linux being first a programmer's and server OS and next a general
use OS, there are plenty of advanced development tools freely
available and commercially for Linux. *It is a breeze to get the LAMP
webserver going for testing on the deveopment system - most of it is
selecting PHP, MySQL and Apache from the repository, installing and
then setting passwords (all of about 20 minutes including download
time).

I develop both on Mac and PC, but personally I like Mac more because
it brings you all de *nix power and a smooth GUI interface. As
Development platform I prefer Eclipse (PHP environment) which is cross-
platform and, most importantly, has intellisense and dynamic modelling/
learning of your PHP classes. You can also at debugging and tons of
plugins (Javascript, CSS, ...) into it.

Regards,

Jeroen

[Alex Weber]

On Oct 22, 6:08*pm, Jeroen <[e-mail]:

On Oct 22, 4:00*pm, [e-mail] wrote:

As many said it really doesn't matter. *I use Linux and wouldn't
switch, but that is my preference. *There are many development tools
for a LAMP developer, I use Quanta which is part of the KDE library of
applications.

With Linux being first a programmer's and server OS and next a general
use OS, there are plenty of advanced development tools freely
available and commercially for Linux. *It is a breeze to get the LAMP
webserver going for testing on the deveopment system - most of it is
selecting PHP, MySQL and Apache from the repository, installing and
then setting passwords (all of about 20 minutes including download
time).

I develop both on Mac and PC, but personally I like Mac more because
it brings you all de *nix power and a smooth GUI interface. As
Development platform I prefer Eclipse (PHP environment) which is cross-
platform and, most importantly, has intellisense and dynamic modelling/
learning of your PHP classes. You can also at debugging and tons of
plugins (Javascript, CSS, ...) into it.

Regards,

Jeroen

I've always used windows and don't see how I'd benefit from using any
other platform...
The only weakness as far as I see it is the lack of a powerful out of
the box cmd tool like bash but there's open source/free alternatives
out there and I've managed just fine with GUI-equivalents.

That said, I consider myself a windows veteran and i've been tweaking
it and messing with the registry and completely anhilating
installations for over 10 years now, so I have it tweaked to the
limit, i know the ins and outs very well, and basically im 100%
comfortable with it. (at the risk of sounding arrogant but really its
just a matter of taking the time to use google and try to fix things
that you dont like) I don't see myself using any other platform in the
near future.

As for tools: XAMPP + Dreamweaver + Filezilla and working on adding
SVN to the suite. I alternate between MySQL and SQLite depending on
projects, and I've tried a few other PHP IDEs (nuspehere phped,
eclipse, netbeans and phpeditor) and I guess Dreamweaver's grown on
me. Also, I have an extensive list of registry tweaks and
customizations that I apply (for example keeping the API up to date,
getting rid of spry (poor man's jquery/dojo/proto/yui) and I don't use
any of the "wizardy" stuff like the embedded FTP client and widgets
and stuff. I realize that I might lose time but I like having 100%
control.

I've tried to switch to *nix in the past (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) but I
guess I'm too used to windows and more importantly, i can make it do
whatever i want :)

as far MACs, i see the advantage but I gate the bells and whistles
(although you can probably turn them off i suppose) but it just feels
too "dumbed-down" for me....

Alex

[703designs]

Windows is inferior as a development platform because you lack al of
the useful Unix tools and you'll be using very different file
permissions from those on the server. Cygwin provides some of these
tools, but you're stuck on the Cygwin part of your system, and you
can't readily compile Unix software (new development tools, etc.).

Mac or Linux is the way to go. I'm on a Mac because I'm a web designer
and couldn't live without Photoshop et. al.

Thomas

On Oct 24, 7:29*pm, Alex Weber <[e-mail]:

On Oct 22, 6:08*pm, Jeroen <[e-mail]:

On Oct 22, 4:00*pm, [e-mail] wrote:

As many said it really doesn't matter. *I use Linux and wouldn't
switch, but that is my preference. *There are many development tools
for a LAMP developer, I use Quanta which is part of the KDE library of
applications.

With Linux being first a programmer's and server OS and next a general
use OS, there are plenty of advanced development tools freely
available and commercially for Linux. *It is a breeze to get the LAMP
webserver going for testing on the deveopment system - most of it is
selecting PHP, MySQL and Apache from the repository, installing and
then setting passwords (all of about 20 minutes including download
time).

I develop both on Mac and PC, but personally I like Mac more because
it brings you all de *nix power and a smooth GUI interface. As
Development platform I prefer Eclipse (PHP environment) which is cross-
platform and, most importantly, has intellisense and dynamic modelling/
learning of your PHP classes. You can also at debugging and tons of
plugins (Javascript, CSS, ...) into it.

Regards,

Jeroen

I've always used windows and don't see how I'd benefit from using any
other platform...
The only weakness as far as I see it is the lack of a powerful out of
the box cmd tool like bash but there's open source/free alternatives
out there and I've managed just fine with GUI-equivalents.

That said, I consider myself a windows veteran and i've been tweaking
it and messing with the registry and completely anhilating
installations for over 10 years now, so I have it tweaked to the
limit, i know the ins and outs very well, and basically im 100%
comfortable with it. *(at the risk of sounding arrogant but really its
just a matter of taking the time to use google and try to fix things
that you dont like) I don't see myself using any other platform in the
near future.

As for tools: XAMPP + Dreamweaver + Filezilla and working on adding
SVN to the suite. *I alternate between MySQL and SQLite depending on
projects, and I've tried a few other PHP IDEs (nuspehere phped,
eclipse, netbeans and phpeditor) and I guess Dreamweaver's grown on
me. *Also, I have an extensive list of registry tweaks and
customizations that I apply (for example keeping the API up to date,
getting rid of spry (poor man's jquery/dojo/proto/yui) and I don't use
any of the "wizardy" stuff like the embedded FTP client and widgets
and stuff. *I realize that I might lose time but I like having 100%
control.

I've tried to switch to *nix in the past (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) but I
guess I'm too used to windows and more importantly, i can make it do
whatever i want :)

as far MACs, i see the advantage but I gate the bells and whistles
(although you can probably turn them off i suppose) but it just feels
too "dumbed-down" for me....

Alex

[Jerry Stuckle]

703designs wrote:

On Oct 24, 7:29 pm, Alex Weber <[e-mail]:

>On Oct 22, 6:08 pm, Jeroen <[e-mail]:

>>On Oct 22, 4:00 pm, [e-mail] wrote:
As many said it really doesn't matter. I use Linux and wouldn't
switch, but that is my preference. There are many development tools
for a LAMP developer, I use Quanta which is part of the KDE library of
applications.
With Linux being first a programmer's and server OS and next a general
use OS, there are plenty of advanced development tools freely
available and commercially for Linux. It is a breeze to get the LAMP
webserver going for testing on the deveopment system - most of it is
selecting PHP, MySQL and Apache from the repository, installing and
then setting passwords (all of about 20 minutes including download
time).
I develop both on Mac and PC, but personally I like Mac more because
it brings you all de *nix power and a smooth GUI interface. As
Development platform I prefer Eclipse (PHP environment) which is cross-
platform and, most importantly, has intellisense and dynamic modelling/
learning of your PHP classes. You can also at debugging and tons of
plugins (Javascript, CSS, ...) into it.
Regards,
Jeroen

I've always used windows and don't see how I'd benefit from using any
other platform...
The only weakness as far as I see it is the lack of a powerful out of
the box cmd tool like bash but there's open source/free alternatives
out there and I've managed just fine with GUI-equivalents.

That said, I consider myself a windows veteran and i've been tweaking
it and messing with the registry and completely anhilating
installations for over 10 years now, so I have it tweaked to the
limit, i know the ins and outs very well, and basically im 100%
comfortable with it. (at the risk of sounding arrogant but really its
just a matter of taking the time to use google and try to fix things
that you dont like) I don't see myself using any other platform in the
near future.

As for tools: XAMPP + Dreamweaver + Filezilla and working on adding
SVN to the suite. I alternate between MySQL and SQLite depending on
projects, and I've tried a few other PHP IDEs (nuspehere phped,
eclipse, netbeans and phpeditor) and I guess Dreamweaver's grown on
me. Also, I have an extensive list of registry tweaks and
customizations that I apply (for example keeping the API up to date,
getting rid of spry (poor man's jquery/dojo/proto/yui) and I don't use
any of the "wizardy" stuff like the embedded FTP client and widgets
and stuff. I realize that I might lose time but I like having 100%
control.

I've tried to switch to *nix in the past (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) but I
guess I'm too used to windows and more importantly, i can make it do
whatever i want :)

as far MACs, i see the advantage but I gate the bells and whistles
(although you can probably turn them off i suppose) but it just feels
too "dumbed-down" for me....

Alex

Windows is inferior as a development platform because you lack al of
the useful Unix tools and you'll be using very different file
permissions from those on the server. Cygwin provides some of these
tools, but you're stuck on the Cygwin part of your system, and you
can't readily compile Unix software (new development tools, etc.).

Mac or Linux is the way to go. I'm on a Mac because I'm a web designer
and couldn't live without Photoshop et. al.

Thomas

(Top posting fixed)

You can do PHP development in any platform - there are plenty of tools
available on any platform. You don't need to worry about compiling
software, and file permissions are part of deployment, not development.

And please don't top post. Thanks.

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[Curtis]

703designs wrote:

On Oct 24, 7:29 pm, Alex Weber <[e-mail]:

>On Oct 22, 6:08 pm, Jeroen <[e-mail]:

>>On Oct 22, 4:00 pm, [e-mail] wrote:
As many said it really doesn't matter. I use Linux and wouldn't
switch, but that is my preference. There are many development tools
for a LAMP developer, I use Quanta which is part of the KDE library of
applications.
With Linux being first a programmer's and server OS and next a general
use OS, there are plenty of advanced development tools freely
available and commercially for Linux. It is a breeze to get the LAMP
webserver going for testing on the deveopment system - most of it is
selecting PHP, MySQL and Apache from the repository, installing and
then setting passwords (all of about 20 minutes including download
time).

I develop both on Mac and PC, but personally I like Mac more because
it brings you all de *nix power and a smooth GUI interface. As
Development platform I prefer Eclipse (PHP environment) which is cross-
platform and, most importantly, has intellisense and dynamic modelling/
learning of your PHP classes. You can also at debugging and tons of
plugins (Javascript, CSS, ...) into it.
Regards,
Jeroen

I've always used windows and don't see how I'd benefit from using any
other platform...
The only weakness as far as I see it is the lack of a powerful out of
the box cmd tool like bash but there's open source/free alternatives
out there and I've managed just fine with GUI-equivalents.

That said, I consider myself a windows veteran and i've been tweaking
it and messing with the registry and completely anhilating
installations for over 10 years now, so I have it tweaked to the
limit, i know the ins and outs very well, and basically im 100%
comfortable with it. (at the risk of sounding arrogant but really its
just a matter of taking the time to use google and try to fix things
that you dont like) I don't see myself using any other platform in the
near future.

As for tools: XAMPP + Dreamweaver + Filezilla and working on adding
SVN to the suite. I alternate between MySQL and SQLite depending on
projects, and I've tried a few other PHP IDEs (nuspehere phped,
eclipse, netbeans and phpeditor) and I guess Dreamweaver's grown on
me. Also, I have an extensive list of registry tweaks and
customizations that I apply (for example keeping the API up to date,
getting rid of spry (poor man's jquery/dojo/proto/yui) and I don't use
any of the "wizardy" stuff like the embedded FTP client and widgets
and stuff. I realize that I might lose time but I like having 100%
control.

I've tried to switch to *nix in the past (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) but I
guess I'm too used to windows and more importantly, i can make it do
whatever i want :)

as far MACs, i see the advantage but I gate the bells and whistles
(although you can probably turn them off i suppose) but it just feels
too "dumbed-down" for me....

Alex

Windows is inferior as a development platform because you lack al of
the useful Unix tools and you'll be using very different file
permissions from those on the server. Cygwin provides some of these
tools, but you're stuck on the Cygwin part of your system, and you
can't readily compile Unix software (new development tools, etc.).

(top-posting fixed)

If you know what you are doing on a Win32 platform, it is just as
capable as *nix, in many respects. You can also get many *nix
utilities on Win32, without going as far as using Cygwin:

<URL:http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/>

Mac or Linux is the way to go. I'm on a Mac because I'm a web designer
and couldn't live without Photoshop et. al.

Photoshop is available on Windows as well...

Thomas

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[Michael]

On Oct 25, 2:43*pm, 703designs <[e-mail]:

Windows is inferior as a development platform because you lack al of
the useful Unix tools and you'll be using very different file
permissions from those on the server. Cygwin provides some of these
tools, but you're stuck on the Cygwin part of your system, and you
can't readily compile Unix software (new development tools, etc.).

Mac or Linux is the way to go. I'm on a Mac because I'm a web designer
and couldn't live without Photoshop et. al.

Thomas

On Oct 24, 7:29*pm, Alex Weber <[e-mail]:

On Oct 22, 6:08*pm, Jeroen <[e-mail]:

On Oct 22, 4:00*pm, [e-mail] wrote:

As many said it really doesn't matter. *I use Linux and wouldn't
switch, but that is my preference. *There are many development tools
for a LAMP developer, I use Quanta which is part of the KDE libraryof
applications.

With Linux being first a programmer's and server OS and next a general
use OS, there are plenty of advanced development tools freely
available and commercially for Linux. *It is a breeze to get the LAMP
webserver going for testing on the deveopment system - most of it is
selecting PHP, MySQL and Apache from the repository, installing and
then setting passwords (all of about 20 minutes including download
time).

I develop both on Mac and PC, but personally I like Mac more because
it brings you all de *nix power and a smooth GUI interface. As
Development platform I prefer Eclipse (PHP environment) which is cross-
platform and, most importantly, has intellisense and dynamic modelling/
learning of your PHP classes. You can also at debugging and tons of
plugins (Javascript, CSS, ...) into it.

Regards,

Jeroen

I've always used windows and don't see how I'd benefit from using any
other platform...
The only weakness as far as I see it is the lack of a powerful out of
the box cmd tool like bash but there's open source/free alternatives
out there and I've managed just fine with GUI-equivalents.

That said, I consider myself a windows veteran and i've been tweaking
it and messing with the registry and completely anhilating
installations for over 10 years now, so I have it tweaked to the
limit, i know the ins and outs very well, and basically im 100%
comfortable with it. *(at the risk of sounding arrogant but really its
just a matter of taking the time to use google and try to fix things
that you dont like) I don't see myself using any other platform in the
near future.

As for tools: XAMPP + Dreamweaver + Filezilla and working on adding
SVN to the suite. *I alternate between MySQL and SQLite depending on
projects, and I've tried a few other PHP IDEs (nuspehere phped,
eclipse, netbeans and phpeditor) and I guess Dreamweaver's grown on
me. *Also, I have an extensive list of registry tweaks and
customizations that I apply (for example keeping the API up to date,
getting rid of spry (poor man's jquery/dojo/proto/yui) and I don't use
any of the "wizardy" stuff like the embedded FTP client and widgets
and stuff. *I realize that I might lose time but I like having 100%
control.

I've tried to switch to *nix in the past (Ubuntu and Kubuntu) but I
guess I'm too used to windows and more importantly, i can make it do
whatever i want :)

as far MACs, i see the advantage but I gate the bells and whistles
(although you can probably turn them off i suppose) but it just feels
too "dumbed-down" for me....

Alex

Hi,

I'm using Windows(IDE: Eclipse, phpDesigner, Putty, etc.) with Samba
share on Linux, where main Web-Server running. Don't have any problems
with this so far. One thing you cannot do is debugging, because
machine running scripts is remote. But, that is also often true for
Linux, because developing machine is rarely identical to remote one.
IDE's have often very helpful features: syntax check on-the-fly,
debugger, code hints, etc. Eclipse is working fine under Windows and
Linux, but it's may be tricky to get it working.

As mentioned here, use what is comfortable for you, but also try
something new, you may be surprised. I've seen developer using Kate
for PHP developing and they are happy with it.

[AqD]

On Oct 22, 4:35 am, macca <[e-mail]:

Hi,

I just started a new web developer job (my first actually) and the
machine they gave me to use is a Mac. Two days in and I'm running a
Win XP environment on my Mac at work (using VMWare), firstly so I can
use my favourite text editor (ConTEXT) which is only available for
windows and secondly because I've never used a Mac before.

But what do you think is the best all round development platform that
I should use as a Web Developer? Using VMWare I have a chouce of
Windows/Linux or the computers native OSX Operating Sytem.

The technologies I mostly use are LAMP technologies, but although I
think that Linux makes a great server OS, I'm just unsure if it cut's
the mustard as a development environment?

Any thoughts?

Windows. Windows has all the tools, including those you can find on
linux. Of course you can use VM for these things but it's inconvenient
and quiet a waste of memory....

[salmobytes]

AqD wrote:

Windows. Windows has all the tools, including those you can find on
linux. Of course you can use VM for these things but it's inconvenient
and quiet a waste of memory....

Question:

On windows, is there a quick, convenient way to create a resizeable
terminal-emulator-like window (not a fixed size black one)
and then do the following, directly from the keyboard?
I'm not challenging or asserting here, I know next to
nothing about Windows (I use Mac and Linux for everything).
I tried cygwin once, but it seemed like a giant pain:
black, fixed-size windows, weird paths, etc.
for file in `find . -name "somepattern"`
do
run_my_perl_script $file /tmp/delme
cp /tmp/delme $file
done

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salmobytes wrote:

On windows, is there a quick, convenient way to create a resizeable
terminal-emulator-like window (not a fixed size black one)
and then do the following, directly from the keyboard?

Powershell should do it. Being a linux junkie, I personally prefer bash
anyway.

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compleja.

[salmobytes]

Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:

salmobytes wrote:

>On windows, is there a quick, convenient way to create a resizeable
terminal-emulator-like window (not a fixed size black one)
and then do the following, directly from the keyboard?

Powershell should do it. Being a linux junkie, I personally prefer bash
anyway.

Interesting. Microsoft has a bash shell imitation they charge money for.
Is this like selling refrigerators to the Inuit?
Dehydrated water to the Bedouin?

For what little it's worth, I do regard bash and perl as an
indispensable part of the PHP development process. It's possible
to develop PHP code without the others, but oh so joylessly.

[Jerry Stuckle]

salmobytes wrote:

Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:

>salmobytes wrote:

>>On windows, is there a quick, convenient way to create a resizeable
terminal-emulator-like window (not a fixed size black one)
and then do the following, directly from the keyboard?

Powershell should do it. Being a linux junkie, I personally prefer bash
anyway.

Interesting. Microsoft has a bash shell imitation they charge money for.
Is this like selling refrigerators to the Inuit?
Dehydrated water to the Bedouin?

For what little it's worth, I do regard bash and perl as an
indispensable part of the PHP development process. It's possible
to develop PHP code without the others, but oh so joylessly.

Interesting. I find it quite easy to develop PHP code with neither.

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[FutureShock]

Jerry Stuckle wrote:

salmobytes wrote:

>Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:

>>salmobytes wrote:

On windows, is there a quick, convenient way to create a resizeable
terminal-emulator-like window (not a fixed size black one)
and then do the following, directly from the keyboard?

Powershell should do it. Being a linux junkie, I personally prefer bash
anyway.

Interesting. Microsoft has a bash shell imitation they charge money for.
Is this like selling refrigerators to the Inuit?
Dehydrated water to the Bedouin?

For what little it's worth, I do regard bash and perl as an
indispensable part of the PHP development process. It's possible
to develop PHP code without the others, but oh so joylessly.

Interesting. I find it quite easy to develop PHP code with neither.

and quite joyfully!

[AqD]

On Oct 28, 9:09 pm, salmobytes <[e-mail]:

AqD wrote:

Windows. Windows has all the tools, including those you can find on
linux. Of course you can use VM for these things but it's inconvenient
and quiet a waste of memory....

Question:

On windows, is there a quick, convenient way to create a resizeable
terminal-emulator-like window (not a fixed size black one)
and then do the following, directly from the keyboard?
I'm not challenging or asserting here, I know next to
nothing about Windows (I use Mac and Linux for everything).
I tried cygwin once, but it seemed like a giant pain:
black, fixed-size windows, weird paths, etc.

for file in `find . -name "somepattern"`
do
run_my_perl_script $file /tmp/delme
cp /tmp/delme $file
done

cygwin can do that, but you need to specify root drive "C:/temp" etc.
The "/" on windows doesn't mean root dir but the top-level dir of
current path.

If you need a tabbed console, try http://sourceforge.net/projects/console

[AqD]

On Oct 29, 6:28 am, salmobytes <[e-mail]:

Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:

salmobytes wrote:

On windows, is there a quick, convenient way to create a resizeable
terminal-emulator-like window (not a fixed size black one)
and then do the following, directly from the keyboard?

Powershell should do it. Being a linux junkie, I personally prefer bash
anyway.

Interesting. Microsoft has a bash shell imitation they charge money for.
Is this like selling refrigerators to the Inuit?
Dehydrated water to the Bedouin?

powershell is free download... But I'm not really sure why people
would actually use that thing ;)

>
For what little it's worth, I do regard bash and perl as an
indispensable part of the PHP development process. It's possible
to develop PHP code without the others, but oh so joylessly.

Hmmm I have never used perl or bash script for php dev. What do you
use them for??

[Rik Wasmus]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:12:38 +0100, AqD <aq*********@gmail.comwrote:

On Oct 29, 6:28 am, salmobytes <[e-mail]:

>Iván Sánchez Ortega wrote:

salmobytes wrote:

>On windows, is there a quick, convenient way to create a resizeable
terminal-emulator-like window (not a fixed size black one)
and then do the following, directly from the keyboard?

Powershell should do it. Being a linux junkie, I personally prefer

bash

anyway.

Interesting. Microsoft has a bash shell imitation they charge money for.
Is this like selling refrigerators to the Inuit?
Dehydrated water to the Bedouin?

powershell is free download... But I'm not really sure why people
would actually use that thing ;)

>>
For what little it's worth, I do regard bash and perl as an
indispensable part of the PHP development process. It's possible
to develop PHP code without the others, but oh so joylessly.

Hmmm I have never used perl or bash script for php dev. What do you
use them for??

Perl, no, bash script for recursive php -l syntax checker is nice :P.
Possibly automating svn actions etc. None of those stricly necessary, but
some wel placed bash script can make live easier. Then again, most of
those could just as easily be PHP scripts. Or python. Etc. Etc.
--
Rik