sos

[Goofy]

Hi all,

i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened it, it
automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really frustruating. i
cant write code. what can i do?

[Maxim Vexler]

Goofy hiccuped :

Hi all,

i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened it, it
automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really frustruating. i
cant write code. what can i do?

scream SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS louder until,
someone who knows where the save button is come to rescue you

[Goofy]

? "Maxim Vexler <hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> >" <"Maxim Vexler
<hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> ?????? ??? ??????
news:41******@news.012.net.il...

Goofy hiccuped :

Hi all,

i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened it, it automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really frustruating. i cant write code. what can i do?

scream SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS louder until,
someone who knows where the save button is come to rescue you

it isnt funny

[Erwin Moller]

Goofy wrote:

Hi all,

i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened it,
it automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really
frustruating. i cant write code. what can i do?

Hi,

That is not a PHP related problem.
That probably happens to a lot more things you open them in that screwed-up
notepad.
I expect something is broken in your OS.

Solution: Get a real OS or if you want to stick to M$, use a real editor.
I like Eclipse with PHP-plugin for development.

Eclipse is maybe a little too complicated for starters.
If so: Maybe try textpad. Google for it.
It has syntaxhighlighting which is a real help.
I used to do everything with textpad before I met Eclipse.

Regards,
Erwin Moller

[John Dunlop]

Goofy wrote:

i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened it, it
automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really frustruating. i
cant write code. what can i do?

Breath; deep abdominal breaths. Inhale through the nose,
pause momentarily, then slowly exhale through the mouth.
Aim for six, seven or eight breaths a minute. Repeat until
worn out.

HAGS, old boy.

--
Jock

[Ian.H]

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 15:07:46 +0100, Goofy wrote:

? "Maxim Vexler <hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> >" <"Maxim Vexler
<hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> ?????? ??? ??????
news:41******@news.012.net.il...

Goofy hiccuped :

> Hi all,
>
> i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened it, it > automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really frustruating. i > cant write code. what can i do?
>
>
>

scream SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS louder until,
someone who knows where the save button is come to rescue you

it isnt funny

lol =)

Use second rate software (being generous), expect second rate results.

Regards,

Ian

--
Ian.H
digiServ Network
London, UK
http://digiserv.net/

[jpll]

"Goofy" <ga**********************@durham.ac.uk> a écrit dans le message de
news:cf**********@heffalump.dur.ac.uk...

Hi all,

i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened it, it automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really frustruating. i
cant write code. what can i do?

Switch to linux, use quanta, bluefish, .... or if you stick to MS try
Crimson Editor (simple and free) dwnld the php plugins.
http://www.crimsoneditor.com/

[Geoff Berrow]

I noticed that Message-ID: <41*********************@news.xs4all.nl> from
Erwin Moller contained the following:

Eclipse is maybe a little too complicated for starters.
If so: Maybe try textpad. Google for it.

Best one I've found recently is notepad 2. Small lightweight but with
syntax highlighting, line numbers, find and replace. I've replaced
notepad with it and it is now my default text editor.

http://www.flos-freeware.ch/notepad2.html

It's the dogs dangly bits
--
Geoff Berrow (put thecat out to email)
It's only Usenet, no one dies.
My opinions, not the committee's, mine.
Simple RFDs http://www.ckdog.co.uk/rfdmaker/

[drwxr-xr-x]

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:07:46 +0100, Goofy hath writ:

? "Maxim Vexler <hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> >" <"Maxim Vexler
<hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> ?????? ??? ??????
news:41******@news.012.net.il...

Goofy hiccuped :

>
> i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened it, it > automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really frustruating.
> i cant write code. what can i do?
>

scream SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS louder until,
someone who knows where the save button is come to rescue you

it isnt funny

Posting a problem concerning an _editor_ sold by a convicted monopolist
to a ng dedicated to the _PHP_language_ is not very funny either.

[bruno modulix]

Goofy a écrit :

Hi all,

i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened it, it
automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really frustruating. i
cant write code. what can i do?

Read this, it should help :
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

HTH
Bruno

[LJR]

"drwxr-xr-x" <bi********@config.com> wrote in message
news:sl************************@shell.config.com.. .

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:07:46 +0100, Goofy hath writ:

? "Maxim Vexler <hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> >" <"Maxim Vexler
<hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> ?????? ??? ??????
news:41******@news.012.net.il...

Goofy hiccuped :
>
> i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened

it, it

> automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really
> frustruating.
> i cant write code. what can i do?
>
scream SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS louder until,
someone who knows where the save button is come to rescue you

it isnt funny

Posting a problem concerning an _editor_ sold by a convicted monopolist
to a ng dedicated to the _PHP_language_ is not very funny either.

Question: "I have a problem with PHP on my IIS server..."

Answer 1: "Get a better OS."
Answer 2: "[Insert favourite MS insult]"

How predictable can you all be?

[Ian.H]

On Sun, 08 Aug 2004 21:18:18 +0100, LJR wrote:

Posting a problem concerning an _editor_ sold by a convicted monopolist
to a ng dedicated to the _PHP_language_ is not very funny either.

Question: "I have a problem with PHP on my IIS server..."

Answer 1: "Get a better OS."
Answer 2: "[Insert favourite MS insult]"

How predictable can you all be?

Would you buy a Robin Reliant to enter Le Man? I didn't think so.. "right
tools for the job".. windoze is _not_ a server OS.. regardless how much
you have been brainwashed to believe otherwise.

Regards,

Ian

--
Ian.H
digiServ Network
London, UK
http://digiserv.net/

[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

"Goofy" <ga**********************@durham.ac.uk> wrote in message news:<cf**********@heffalump.dur.ac.uk>...

Hi all,

i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened it, it
automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really frustruating. i
cant write code. what can i do?

Certainly your system is infected by some virus or malwares. Use
your anti-virus to scan your system. If you're using Norton, try
uninstal as it is the worst on the market. If you have money buy
PC-cillin <http://www.trendmicro.com/buy/us/personal.asp> or use the
free online version <http://housecall.trendmicro.com/>
--
| Just another PHP saint |
Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com

[Erwin Moller]

LJR wrote:

<snip>

it isnt funny

Posting a problem concerning an _editor_ sold by a convicted monopolist
to a ng dedicated to the _PHP_language_ is not very funny either.

Question: "I have a problem with PHP on my IIS server..."

Answer 1: "Get a better OS."
Answer 2: "[Insert favourite MS insult]"

How predictable can you all be?

Hi LJR,

What you write is just not true.
I see a lot of ISS-related questions here, and most of the time they are
answered decently. (Often dll and php.ini).
The question you describe above "I have a problem with PHP on my IIS
server..." will get a decent answer! (Supposed the question is longer than
in your example of course.)

The OP asked a question that has as much to do with PHP as cleaning stables.
His texteditor didn't work.
His texteditor will not work as it should on any file most propably.

Futhermore: His texteditor is the famous M$ texteditor that is delivered for
good money in their flagships os'ses.
A little sarcasm is in place if you ask me.

And besides that, the OP did get some hint too for other texteditors (some
are free and actually work.)

Often when people snarl at M$, they have a great valid reason for that too.
The avarage computeruser is brainwashed and unaware of all the missery M$ is
creating. No reason to be nice to that monopolist...

Regards,
Erwin Moller

[LJR]

<windoze is _not_ a server OS>

Why _not_? Explain.

[LJR]

"Erwin Moller"
<si******************************************@spam yourself.com> wrote in
message news:41***********************@news.xs4all.nl...

LJR wrote:

<snip>

it isnt funny

Posting a problem concerning an _editor_ sold by a convicted monopolist
to a ng dedicated to the _PHP_language_ is not very funny either.

Question: "I have a problem with PHP on my IIS server..."

Answer 1: "Get a better OS."
Answer 2: "[Insert favourite MS insult]"

How predictable can you all be?

Hi LJR,

What you write is just not true.
I see a lot of ISS-related questions here, and most of the time they are
answered decently. (Often dll and php.ini).
The question you describe above "I have a problem with PHP on my IIS
server..." will get a decent answer! (Supposed the question is longer than
in your example of course.)

The OP asked a question that has as much to do with PHP as cleaning
stables.
His texteditor didn't work.
His texteditor will not work as it should on any file most propably.

Futhermore: His texteditor is the famous M$ texteditor that is delivered
for
good money in their flagships os'ses.
A little sarcasm is in place if you ask me.

And besides that, the OP did get some hint too for other texteditors (some
are free and actually work.)

Often when people snarl at M$, they have a great valid reason for that
too.
The avarage computeruser is brainwashed and unaware of all the missery M$
is
creating. No reason to be nice to that monopolist...

Regards,
Erwin Moller

Thankyou for the constructive response Erwin, however, the proof that "it is
true" is sitting just 3 posts above. there will always be someone to have a
go at MS, given even the smallest opportunity. While the reasons they do so
are quite likely "valid" it just becomes a bit childish, do you not agree?
It's not that I disagree with the bashers or that I'm defending MS but the
insults are almost a scripted response from avid *nix users who feel they
have something to prove to the MS using world and it sometimes reeks of a
superiority complex. I will freely admit that *nix users are usually very
advanced computer users but they need to remember there are those people out
there that don't have the same affinity with PC's as they did/do.

My entire reason for posting is that I'm embarrassed for those people that
feel the need to bash MS at such a mediocre opportunity. To coin a phrase:
"It's not big and it's not clever."

[Erwin Moller]

LJR wrote:

"Erwin Moller"
<si******************************************@spam yourself.com> wrote in
message news:41***********************@news.xs4all.nl...

LJR wrote:

<snip>

> it isnt funny

Posting a problem concerning an _editor_ sold by a convicted monopolist
to a ng dedicated to the _PHP_language_ is not very funny either.

Question: "I have a problem with PHP on my IIS server..."

Answer 1: "Get a better OS."
Answer 2: "[Insert favourite MS insult]"

How predictable can you all be?
Hi LJR,

What you write is just not true.
I see a lot of ISS-related questions here, and most of the time they are
answered decently. (Often dll and php.ini).
The question you describe above "I have a problem with PHP on my IIS
server..." will get a decent answer! (Supposed the question is longer
than in your example of course.)

The OP asked a question that has as much to do with PHP as cleaning
stables.
His texteditor didn't work.
His texteditor will not work as it should on any file most propably.

Futhermore: His texteditor is the famous M$ texteditor that is delivered
for
good money in their flagships os'ses.
A little sarcasm is in place if you ask me.

And besides that, the OP did get some hint too for other texteditors
(some are free and actually work.)

Often when people snarl at M$, they have a great valid reason for that
too.
The avarage computeruser is brainwashed and unaware of all the missery M$
is
creating. No reason to be nice to that monopolist...

Regards,
Erwin Moller

Hi LJR,
Thankyou for the constructive response Erwin, however, the proof that "it
is true" is sitting just 3 posts above.
Oki, some bashing indeed.
But I must stress that people get a decent response even if they use M$ ISS.
This group is indeed full of snarls at M$, but it is also full with
solutions if people have a M$-related PHP problem.
there will always be someone to
have a go at MS, given even the smallest opportunity. While the reasons
they do so are quite likely "valid" it just becomes a bit childish, do you
not agree?
No and yes.
Interesting point. I had to think that over a bit.
childish? maybe

Let me make an old paralel: cars
It gives a little distance. :-)

Suppose the biggest carmaker (Macrocars) in the world (sells over 90% of the
cars) delivers a new model, with the following characteristics:
- It is unsafe. (high mortalityrate in accidents)
- The mechanics of the car (like breaks, motor, etc) are 100% classified/
secret. And you are not allowed (by law) to find out how the breaks
actually work. You may only push the pedal.
(M$ closed sourcecode)
- It is expensive.
- The company has actually more lawyers than engineers employed, to fight
all those lawsuits that people start after somebody had an accident caused
by the car.
- The managers of Macrocars try to define what material the roads should be,
misusing their solid position in the market.
(I have a company: people take it for granted I can open their
Word-documents)
- When another carcompany tries to sell a better car with a few
improvements, Macrocars first 'reinvents' the improvements and bastardise
them, then make them their own standard.
(Java, Realaudio, etc)
- Then a next competing carcompany distrubutes blueprints that show how you
can build your own custumized car, which is safer, better. The lawyers at
Macrocars wake up and start all kinds of lawsuits against that company,
claiming that their blueprints contain copyrighted material. If that is
true is not important, what is important is that the world starts doubting.
That is called a FUD campaign (Fear Uncertainty, Doubt)
(SCO, M$ whore, yes: they got paid for it.)
etc. etc.

BUT because most people in the world that buy those cars don't know how bad
they are, because of the doublethink/FUD campains created by Macrocars,
nothing changes.
All goverments are too afraid to really challenge Macrocars, so they fine
them sometimes for futile amounts.

I can go on like this for a long time, but I am boring myself already, so
you probably too. :-)

My point: call it childish to snarl at M$. I think M$ is much worse than
childish, they behave really selfish and evil.
They misuse everything they can to gain more money.
I have no respect whatsoever for M$ behaviour the last 10 years.

You will find that people who are actually involved in open source software
(or FREEsoftware/GNU of R. Stallman and his fans) are a lot nicer, and less
selfish.
They share freely their ideas and programs, and even want to explain how
they did it by showing the actual code.
You have to be involved a little bit more to really appriciate that
attitude.
M$ is in such contrast to that, I think that is why many people leave no
chance to tell you M$ sucks.
They do.

:-)

LOL, I am a whore too: I just got an assignment from a customer that wants
me to code a huge application in VBscript/ASP on M$ SQLserver, and I
said..... yes. Really I tried to convince them to use PHP with Postgresql,
but no succes.
;-)

It's not that I disagree with the bashers or that I'm defending
MS but the insults are almost a scripted response from avid *nix users who
feel they have something to prove to the MS using world and it sometimes
reeks of a superiority complex. I will freely admit that *nix users are
usually very advanced computer users but they need to remember there are
those people out there that don't have the same affinity with PC's as they
did/do.
Yes, that is a much heard argument.
Windoze is easy to use.
I agree to that, and many other agree to that too. That is why the *nix
community worked hard to make things easier.
Nowadays every *nix installs like a breeze.
They all have robust desktops with many applications preinstalled.
This userfriendlyness is changing really fast.


My entire reason for posting is that I'm embarrassed for those people that
feel the need to bash MS at such a mediocre opportunity. To coin a phrase:
"It's not big and it's not clever."

I hope i clarified why M$ is so impopular and why people (childishly maybe)
keep on pointing that out.
But I can imagine it irritates you. :-)

Regards,
Erwin Moller

[Ian.H]

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:06:42 +0100, LJR wrote:

<windoze is _not_ a server OS>

Why _not_? Explain.

Insecure, unstable, requires _way_ too much maintenance to keep it patched
/ running.

It works as a desktop OS (kinda).. but that's it.. anyone running a
windoze server in a production environment deserves to be shot =)

IIRC.. even m$ doesn't use windoze to host things like Hotmail.

I have a few patches a year to implement maybe on various parts of my
system, 99% of the time, these are due to 3rd party issues (SSH for
example), _VERY_ rarely do I ever have to patch for the OS... not _quite_
the same as windoze huh? ;)

Then I also have the lack of worry about infection. Sure, there are ELF
infectors that could nibble away at my BSD boxes.. but they're happily
loaded with F-Prot and ClamAV for mail.. there's always a chance, but it's
the difference between playing russian roulette with 1 bullet or 5.

Regards,

Ian

--
Ian.H
digiServ Network
London, UK
http://digiserv.net/

[Michael Austin]

Ian.H wrote:

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 15:06:42 +0100, LJR wrote:

<windoze is _not_ a server OS>

Why _not_? Explain.
Insecure, unstable, requires _way_ too much maintenance to keep it patched
/ running.

It works as a desktop OS (kinda).. but that's it.. anyone running a
windoze server in a production environment deserves to be shot =)

IIRC.. even m$ doesn't use windoze to host things like Hotmail.

I have a few patches a year to implement maybe on various parts of my
system, 99% of the time, these are due to 3rd party issues (SSH for
example), _VERY_ rarely do I ever have to patch for the OS... not _quite_
the same as windoze huh? ;)

Then I also have the lack of worry about infection. Sure, there are ELF
infectors that could nibble away at my BSD boxes.. but they're happily
loaded with F-Prot and ClamAV for mail.. there's always a chance, but it's
the difference between playing russian roulette with 1 bullet or 5.

or play Russian Roulette with a revolver vs. a .45 automatic :)

Regards,

Ian

--
Michael Austin.
Consultant - Available.
Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html
:)

[Michael Austin]

Erwin Moller wrote:

<a whole bunch of stuff snipped>

The Biggest problem with open source/freeware is that there is no or very little
support. If you can bet your business on open source, then have at it, I
wouldn't. I have used a "closed/proprietary" OS for almost 20 years now -
OpenVMS. Like most BSD variants there are few patches that need to be
installed and but, there are NO security issuses to deal with. M$ is great as a
desktop - but really stinks as a server. At most sites, OpenVMS uptimes are
calculated in months or years rather than days as is the case for M$. I have
not been in a shop in the last 5 years where the servers were not rebooted at
least weekly to "clear it's brains" aka memory leaks.

When companies look at buying mission critical systems and applications, they
want a product they "paid" for because it implies "vendor supported" OpenSource
has a LOT of really good people, but can you reach them at a moments notice --
not bloody likely - as the Brits would say :) When your downtime rate is
$500.00/minute or more do you really want "best effort" service?? I seriously
doubt it. ( I know of several instances where downtime cost are in the millions
per hour...) There are some sites where downtime costs are measured by whether
or not humans live... do you "realllllyyyy???" want to trust "free" or M$$$? I
didn't think so...
--
Michael Austin.
Consultant - Available.
Donations welcomed. Http://www.firstdbasource.com/donations.html
:)

[Daniel Tryba]

Michael Austin <ma*****@firstdbasource.com> wrote:

per hour...) There are some sites where downtime costs are measured by
whether or not humans live... do you "realllllyyyy???" want to trust
"free" or M$$$? I didn't think so...

Ever read the MS EULA for its OS?

--

Daniel Tryba

[Mudge]

drwxr-xr-x wrote:

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:07:46 +0100, Goofy hath writ:

? "Maxim Vexler <hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> >" <"Maxim Vexler
<hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> ?????? ??? ??????
news:41******@news.012.net.il...

Goofy hiccuped :
>
> i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened

it, it

> automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really
> frustruating. i cant write code. what can i do?
>
scream SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS louder until,
someone who knows where the save button is come to rescue you

it isnt funny

Posting a problem concerning an _editor_ sold by a convicted monopolist
to a ng dedicated to the _PHP_language_ is not very funny either.

At least he is hand coding his php, what's sos mean anyway?

[Erwin Moller]

Mudge wrote:

drwxr-xr-x wrote:

On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 15:07:46 +0100, Goofy hath writ:

? "Maxim Vexler <hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> >" <"Maxim Vexler
<hq4ever (at) 012 (dot) net (dot) il> ?????? ??? ??????
news:41******@news.012.net.il...
Goofy hiccuped :
>
> i am trying to write php scripts using notepad but everytime i opened
it, it
> automatically disappears after a few seconds. it is really
> frustruating. i cant write code. what can i do?
>
scream SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS louder until,
someone who knows where the save button is come to rescue you

it isnt funny

Posting a problem concerning an _editor_ sold by a convicted monopolist
to a ng dedicated to the _PHP_language_ is not very funny either.

At least he is hand coding his php, what's sos mean anyway?

SOS means: Save Our Software

Regards,
Erwin Moller

[Erwin Moller]

Michael Austin wrote:

Erwin Moller wrote:

<a whole bunch of stuff snipped>

The Biggest problem with open source/freeware is that there is no or very
little
support. If you can bet your business on open source, then have at it, I
wouldn't. I have used a "closed/proprietary" OS for almost 20 years now -
OpenVMS. Like most BSD variants there are few patches that need to be
installed and but, there are NO security issuses to deal with. M$ is
great as a
desktop - but really stinks as a server. At most sites, OpenVMS uptimes
are
calculated in months or years rather than days as is the case for M$. I
have not been in a shop in the last 5 years where the servers were not
rebooted at least weekly to "clear it's brains" aka memory leaks.

When companies look at buying mission critical systems and applications,
they want a product they "paid" for because it implies "vendor supported"
OpenSource has a LOT of really good people, but can you reach them at a
moments notice --
not bloody likely - as the Brits would say :) When your downtime rate is
$500.00/minute or more do you really want "best effort" service?? I
seriously
doubt it. ( I know of several instances where downtime cost are in the
millions per hour...) There are some sites where downtime costs are
measured by whether or not humans live... do you "realllllyyyy???" want to
trust "free" or M$$$? I didn't think so...

Hi Michael,

You are talking about a whole different ballgame.
I guess you are right about it.
500$/minute downtime?
If I was at the receiving end of that deal my monthly hostingcost would be
so high that I can cover the downtime costs.
Now I am hosting for a very reasonable price. Of course without 500$/minute
claims.
I am in a different ballgame. :-)

I have been running my servers on *nix for a few years, and had less than 1%
downtime over that period. That 1% is mainly because of a broken SCSI-card
last month, taking us 2 days to figure that out and repair it. :-(
I mean, it was not an OS-issue.

I personally have no experience with OpenVMS, but I heard before it is
rocksteady, so I take your word for it that it is a better choice in your
situation than any *nix.

Bottomline: You don't pick W$ for serious OS for servers either.

Thanks for your response.

Regards,
Erwin Moller

[Data Goob]

Michael Austin wrote:

Erwin Moller wrote:

<a whole bunch of stuff snipped>

The Biggest problem with open source/freeware is that there is no or
very little support. If you can bet your business on open source, then
have at it, I wouldn't. I have used a "closed/proprietary" OS for almost
20 years now - OpenVMS.

And there is support for OpenVMS? Heheee! A handful of people who are
even available to support it.
Like most BSD variants there are few patches
that need to be installed and but, there are NO security issuses to deal
with.
Excellent point, hardly anyone knows what it is, so how could they
hack it?
M$ is great as a desktop - but really stinks as a server. At
most sites, OpenVMS uptimes are calculated in months or years rather
than days as is the case for M$. I have not been in a shop in the last
5 years where the servers were not rebooted at least weekly to "clear
it's brains" aka memory leaks.

When companies look at buying mission critical systems and applications,
they want a product they "paid" for because it implies "vendor
supported" OpenSource has a LOT of really good people, but can you reach
them at a moments notice -- not bloody likely - as the Brits would say
:) When your downtime rate is $500.00/minute or more do you really want
"best effort" service?? I seriously doubt it. ( I know of several
instances where downtime cost are in the millions per hour...) There are
some sites where downtime costs are measured by whether or not humans
live... do you "realllllyyyy???" want to trust "free" or M$$$? I didn't
think so...

Interesting that VMS lives on. It is also interesting that you would
expect people to buy into VMS when there are probably zero people out
there in the population to support it or even get their hands on it.
Where's the download? Right. I remember All-In-One, it made it to Linux
distros a few years ago, but don't see it around these days. I even
programmed VAX COBOL, RDB, VAX Fortan, and VAX C with curses. Fun
environment, yet we spent most of our time creating aliases of UNIX
commands because of the retarded VMS environment. It sucked. It still
sucks. Like using PC-DOS only worse.

While you may be passionate about VMS, you fall into the niche, not the
mainstream. Your arguments for VMS are the same as they were 20 years
ago, but don't expect people to get excited about a retarded OS. Digital
thought they would conquer the world with VMS and where is it today?
Nowhere. HP needs something to make its company look interesting and
exciting since they can't come up with anything else besides a good
color printer. Enjoy your VMS, but don't expect anyone else to come
running to it.

[Ian.H]

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 07:36:20 -0400, Data Goob wrote:

While you may be passionate about VMS, you fall into the niche, not the
mainstream. Your arguments for VMS are the same as they were 20 years
ago, but don't expect people to get excited about a retarded OS. Digital
thought they would conquer the world with VMS and where is it today?
Nowhere. HP needs something to make its company look interesting and
exciting since they can't come up with anything else besides a good
color printer. Enjoy your VMS, but don't expect anyone else to come
running to it.

OpenBSD maybe a better mainstream choice.

Again, VERY stable and VERY secure, but more known and more supported and
opensource! although not for the *nix n00b =)

Regards,

Ian

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[Jeffrey Silverman]

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:07:49 +0000, Ian.H wrote:

IIRC.. even m$ doesn't use windoze to host things like Hotmail.

I think that was true a few years ago, prior to Win2k's maturity.

see?:
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph/?host=hotmail.com

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