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AJ
Hi all

At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP stuff and
then hand tune anything that I need to. I'm now looking at the next level
and was wondering about Zend.

What I like about DW - from a lazy man's point of view - is that I can click
on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts of other things
that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same sort of thing available
for Zend?

Cheers

Andy
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"AJ" wrote:
Hi all

At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP stuff and
then hand tune anything that I need to. Iím now looking at the
next level
and was wondering about Zend.

What I like about DW - from a lazy manís point of view - is that
I can click
on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts of other things
that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same sort of thing
available
for Zend?

Cheers

Andy


AJ, I am not too familiar with DW, but zend is primarily an IDE for
php. It can provide some assistance with html coding, but that is
probably much better done by DW.

The lazy aspects of zend relate to proposing variable names when you
type a few chars of their name, or telling you the argumnets of your
functions, etc. but that is for php.

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Jul 17 '05 #2

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AJ wrote:
Hi all

At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP
stuff and then hand tune anything that I need to. I'm now looking at
the next level and was wondering about Zend.

What I like about DW - from a lazy man's point of view - is that I
can click on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts
of other things that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same
sort of thing available for Zend?

Cheers

Andy


I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy with it.
First of all it's a java client and that isn't really something I am all
that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless loop in a
script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop php in the
XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go back into a
variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to autocomplete the name.
Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I wasn't really
impressed.
Pjotr
Jul 17 '05 #3

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AJ
steve <Us************@dbForumz.com> wrote in message news:<41**********@news.athenanews.com>...
"AJ" wrote:
> Hi all
>
> At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP stuff
> and
> then hand tune anything that I need to. I?m now looking at the
> next level
> and was wondering about Zend.
>
> What I like about DW - from a lazy man?s point of view - is that
> I can click
> on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts of

other
> things
> that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same sort of thing
> available
> for Zend?
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy


AJ, I am not too familiar with DW, but zend is primarily an IDE for
php. It can provide some assistance with html coding, but that is
probably much better done by DW.


IDE?

The lazy aspects of zend relate to proposing variable names when you
type a few chars of their name, or telling you the argumnets of your
functions, etc. but that is for php.


See, with DW, it makes life very, very easy. Let's say I want a sign
up process where the visitor chooses a username and password. I also
want it to check the username field in the table to disallow
duplicates before it adds a new one. Once I've created the table, etc
using PHPMyAdmin, it would probably take me less than 5 minutes to
create the signup page, the error page and the success page.

I started learning PHP by hand coding it and got nowhere. Using DW
has meant that i can write some pretty good stuff and I just pull it
apart to work out what's going on. I learn much more like this.

AJ
Jul 17 '05 #4

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"Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
AJ wrote:
Hi all

At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP
stuff and then hand tune anything that I need to. Iím now looking at
the next level and was wondering about Zend.

What I like about DW - from a lazy manís point of view - is

that I
can click on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all

sorts
of other things that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same sort of thing available for Zend?

Cheers

Andy


I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy
with it.
First of all itís a java client and that isnít really
something I am all
that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless loop

in a
script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop php in the
XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go back into a
variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to autocomplete the name.
Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I wasnít
really
impressed.
Pjotr


Hi Pjotr,

I have used it for avg. 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 months. No
complaints. That is my personal experience. I run it on Windows.
The product may have problems, but one has to compare with the others
in the field. I was not impressed with the free stuff, and the
closest was Nusphere phped for $500 (zend was $250, has price gone
up?). I could not see a compelling reason to go to Nusphere.

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Jul 17 '05 #5

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AJ wrote:
AJ, I am not too familiar with DW, but zend is primarily an IDE for
php. It can provide some assistance with html coding, but that is
probably much better done by DW.

IDE?


IDE means Integrated Development Environment.. in plain english, it's
an application which assists a developer with writing code. it's
basically a collection of useful tools integrated into one package
(often with some form of GUI) which work together to make the
developer's life that little bit easier, and taking some of the pain out
of some of the really mundane tasks.

--
Ben Cottrell AKA Bench

Disclaimer:
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These "real" things are commonly known as 'life'! So, if it sounds
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Jul 17 '05 #6

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"AJ" wrote:
steve <Us************@dbForumz.com> wrote in message
news:<41126c29 _4@news.athenanews.com>...
"AJ" wrote:
> Hi all
>
> At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP
stuff
> and
> then hand tune anything that I need to. I?m now looking at

the > next level
> and was wondering about Zend.
>
> What I like about DW - from a lazy man?s point of view - is that > I can click
> on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts of
other
> things
> that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same sort of

thing > available
> for Zend?
>
> Cheers
>
> Andy


AJ, I am not too familiar with DW, but zend is primarily an IDE

for
php. It can provide some assistance with html coding, but that

is
probably much better done by DW.


IDE?

The lazy aspects of zend relate to proposing variable names when

you
type a few chars of their name, or telling you the argumnets of

your
functions, etc. but that is for php.


See, with DW, it makes life very, very easy. Letís say I want a
sign
up process where the visitor chooses a username and password. I

also want it to check the username field in the table to disallow
duplicates before it adds a new one. Once Iíve created the
table, etc
using PHPMyAdmin, it would probably take me less than 5 minutes to
create the signup page, the error page and the success page.

I started learning PHP by hand coding it and got nowhere. Using DW
has meant that i can write some pretty good stuff and I just pull it apart to work out whatís going on. I learn much more like this.

AJ


That sounds great, AJ. The other approach is to find an existing
script, and then use a good PHP IDE to customize it to your need.

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steve wrote:
"Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
> AJ wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP
> > stuff and then hand tune anything that I need to. I'm now

> looking at
> > the next level and was wondering about Zend.
> >
> > What I like about DW - from a lazy man's point of view - is

> that I
> > can click on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all

> sorts
> > of other things that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same > > sort of thing available for Zend?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Andy

>
> I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy
> with it.
> First of all it's a java client and that isn't really
> something I am all
> that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless loop

in
> a
> script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop php

in
> the
> XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go

back
> into a
> variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to autocomplete

the
> name.
> Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I wasn't
> really
> impressed.
> Pjotr


Hi Pjotr,

I have used it for avg. 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 months. No
complaints. That is my personal experience. I run it on Windows.
The product may have problems, but one has to compare with the others
in the field. I was not impressed with the free stuff, and the
closest was Nusphere phped for $500 (zend was $250, has price gone
up?). I could not see a compelling reason to go to Nusphere.


True, I haven't tested all the free ones yet (I had not too much confidence
in those and decided to try Zend first, as they are a big name in php), 350
was a typo, sorry. 249$ still. My bad.

Maybe I am spoilt and thus biased by those neat integrated environments like
..NET ide and Delphi and such. I could have checked the competition first.
Again, my bad.

Still, I am not really impressed. But opinions.... yup, I also have one of
those ;-)
Bye
Pjotr
Jul 17 '05 #8

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"Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
steve wrote:
"Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
> AJ wrote:
> > Hi all
> >
> > At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP > > stuff and then hand tune anything that I need to. Iím now > looking at
> > the next level and was wondering about Zend.
> >
> > What I like about DW - from a lazy manís point of view - is > that I
> > can click on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all > sorts
> > of other things that would take me hours to hand code. Is
the
same
> > sort of thing available for Zend?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Andy
>
> I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy > with it.
> First of all itís a java client and that isnít really
> something I am all
> that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless loop
in
> a
> script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually
stop php
in
> the
> XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you

go back
> into a
> variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to autocomplete
the
> name.
> Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I

wasnít > really
> impressed.
> Pjotr


Hi Pjotr,

I have used it for avg. 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 months.

No complaints. That is my personal experience. I run it on Windows. The product may have problems, but one has to compare with the

others
in the field. I was not impressed with the free stuff, and the
closest was Nusphere phped for 0 (zend was 0, has price gone
up?). I could not see a compelling reason to go to Nusphere.


True, I havenít tested all the free ones yet (I had not too much
confidence
in those and decided to try Zend first, as they are a big name in
php), 350
was a typo, sorry. 249$ still. My bad.

Maybe I am spoilt and thus biased by those neat integrated
environments like
..NET ide and Delphi and such. I could have checked the competition
first.
Again, my bad.

Still, I am not really impressed. But opinions.... yup, I also have
one of
those
Bye
Pjotr


Hi Pjotr,
I also develop extensively in Visual InterDev (predec. to .Net but
similar). I find zend easier to develop in, and does not hang
(requiring reboot) every 30 minutes. ".Net" version of interdev is
much better I am sure.

What I find is that in php, there are so many great scripts already
written so there is very little need to develop "from scratch". So
a good IDE for me is not one that can develop an application, but one
that helps me single step into an existing code, add things here and
there, and breakpoint and debug. Perhpas my use model is a bit
different from one developing an app from scratch.

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"Pjotr Wedersteers" <x3****@westerterp.com> wrote in message news:<41*********************@news.xs4all.nl>...
<snip>
I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy with it.
First of all it's a java client and that isn't really something I am all
that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless loop in a
script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop php in the
XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go back into a
variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to autocomplete the name.
Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I wasn't really
impressed.


It's a well known fact that Zend is slowy. The Java client could
have saved the time of developers for cross platform issues, but not
the users.

You may try PHPEdit (not free now) or PHP Coder (free) or devphp
(free).

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Jul 17 '05 #10

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"R. Rajesh Jeba Anb" wrote:
"Pjotr Wedersteers" <x3****@westerterp.com> wrote in message
news:<41128fbd[quote:6a6a759adb="R. Rajesh Jeba Anb"]"Pjotr Wedersteers" <x3****@westerterp.com> wrote in message news:<41*********************@news.xs4all.nl>... <snip> I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy with it. First of all itís a java client and that isnít really something I am all that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless loop in a script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop php in the XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go back into a variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to autocomplete the name. Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I wasnít really impressed.
Itís a well known fact that Zend is slowy. The Java client could
have saved the time of developers for cross platform issues, but not
the users.

You may try PHPEdit (not free now) or PHP Coder (free) or devphp
(free).
[/quote:6a6a759adb]
8$********@news.xs4all.nl>... <snip>
I tried the latest Zend Development client and am not really happy with it.
First of all itís a java client and that isnít really

something I am all
that happy about and I have had several cases where an endless

loop in a
script caused the debugger to crash, and I had to manually stop

php in the
XP Taskmanager. Also it has some weird quirks, like when you go

back into a
variable you already partly typed, it keeps trying to

autocomplete the name.
Hard to precisely explain, but annoying. For 350 bucks I

wasnít really
impressed.


Itís a well known fact that Zend is slowy. The Java client
could
have saved the time of developers for cross platform issues, but

not the users.

You may try PHPEdit (not free now) or PHP Coder (free) or devphp
(free).


Yes, zend could be faster. Perhpas Iíve got used to it, as it does
not bother me, but everyone should try to see if it is fast enough for
them.

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Jul 17 '05 #11

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AJ wrote:
Hi all

At the moment, I use Dreamweaver to develop the basics of my PHP stuff and
then hand tune anything that I need to. I'm now looking at the next level
and was wondering about Zend.

What I like about DW - from a lazy man's point of view - is that I can
click on a button to add loops or user authorisation or all sorts of other
things
that would take me hours to hand code. Is the same sort of thing
available for Zend?

Cheers

Andy


Man. I can only say eww. First, Windows, eww. Second, using what you see
is what you get, eww.

eww.
Ok, that's not very descriptive and I'm now trying to be nicer on Usenet.
The advantage of doing everything by hand is it makes the code more
familiar to you and after more practice you can become very skilled and
quite flexible and innovative. It doesn't "take a long time" once you are
good at it. You can also build up your own libraries of functions, code and
objects and include them using "include_once('filename');"

I would never use Windows unless I needed to test Web sites in Internet
Explorer, but i'd do all the development and everything else on Linux.
Linux has some good editors: vi, emacs -- and if you are not ready for that
you could use Quantas, or kdevelop or even kwrite.

Though, on Windows, there is always notepad.

commercial, permmicial,

Things are commercial because people want to sell stuff, doesn't mean you
should buy it.

Mudge

Jul 17 '05 #12

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Pjotr Wedersteers wrote:
steve wrote:
"Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
> AJ wrote:
> > Hi all
Hi Pjotr,


I have used it for avg. 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 months. No
complaints. That is my personal experience. I run it on Windows.
The product may have problems, but one has to compare with the others
in the field. I was not impressed with the free stuff, and the
closest was Nusphere phped for $500 (zend was $250, has price gone
up?). I could not see a compelling reason to go to Nusphere.


True, I haven't tested all the free ones yet (I had not too much
confidence in those and decided to try Zend first, as they are a big
name in php), 350 was a typo, sorry. 249$ still. My bad.


Update: downloaded PHPEdit 1.0.3.68 and since I am not doing any commercial
stuff with it applied for and received a FREE personal license for this one.
I'm not yet fully a friend of the debugger, (you?) but the look and feel on
a whole are promising to say the least. And it has HTML output too, as well
as regular console. Speed is ok. Code beautifier is great. Help files could
be better/more complete, agreed. Sure looks to be a true competitor for
Zend. Which is good I think!

AFAIAC, recommended to try!
Best!
Pjotr
Jul 17 '05 #13

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"Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
Pjotr Wedersteers wrote:
steve wrote:
"Pjotr Wedersteers" wrote:
> AJ wrote:
> > Hi all
> Hi Pjotr,

I have used it for avg. 4-6 hours a day for the last 6 months. No complaints. That is my personal experience. I run it on Windows. The product may have problems, but one has to compare with the others in the field. I was not impressed with the free stuff, and the
closest was Nusphere phped for 0 (zend was 0, has price gone
up?). I could not see a compelling reason to go to Nusphere.
True, I havenít tested all the free ones yet (I had not too

much
confidence in those and decided to try Zend first, as they are a big name in php), 350 was a typo, sorry. 249$ still. My bad.


Update: downloaded PHPEdit 1.0.3.68 and since I am not doing any
commercial
stuff with it applied for and received a FREE personal license for
this one.
Iím not yet fully a friend of the debugger, (you?) but the look
and feel on
a whole are promising to say the least. And it has HTML output too,

as well
as regular console. Speed is ok. Code beautifier is great. Help files could
be better/more complete, agreed. Sure looks to be a true competitor
for
Zend. Which is good I think!

AFAIAC, recommended to try!
Best!
Pjotr


Last I looked at phpedit was 6 months ago, so I am glad that the
product is now in good shape. It was then a bit too rought for my
taste. So my recommendation is to try phpedit first (since it is
free), if it does not work for you, go to zend.

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