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Joomla - opinion

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Opinions sought:
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A prospective client wants customizations to Joomla using PHP. I have not
done anything with Joomla. Is it worth my while to invest the time to set
it up and learn it? If it is, where would you recommend as a starting
place. I looked quickly on the web, but not found anything directly to the
point, and as I am busy right now I thought I would solicit opinions from
fellow professionals.

Shelly
Nov 8 '07 #1
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Shelly wrote:
>
Opinions sought:
============
A prospective client wants customizations to Joomla using PHP. I have not
done anything with Joomla. Is it worth my while to invest the time to set
it up and learn it? If it is, where would you recommend as a starting
place. I looked quickly on the web, but not found anything directly to the
point, and as I am busy right now I thought I would solicit opinions from
fellow professionals.

Shelly
The most obvious starting points would be:

http://www.joomla.org for general information on Joomla
http://dev.joomla.org for developer information on Joomla
http://api.joomla.org for a reference on the Joomla API
Nov 8 '07 #2

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NC
On Nov 8, 9:17 am, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:
>
A prospective client wants customizations to Joomla using PHP.
I have not done anything with Joomla. Is it worth my while to
invest the time to set it up and learn it?
Setup will take you all of ten minutes. Be aware though that Joomla!
exists in two flavors. The current release is 1.0, but it is being
replaced with 1.5, which is a complete rewrite. Almost everything,
from administration to developing extensions, is different in 1.5
compared to 1.0. So you might want to discuss this with your
prospective client.

As to learning, it is entirely up to you. If you are a fast learner
and expect to handle similar requests in the future, you should
consider it. If not, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense, unless
you enjoy learning for the sake of learning.
If it is, where would you recommend as a starting place.
joomla.org

Cheers,
NC

Nov 8 '07 #3

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On Nov 8, 7:55 pm, NC <n...@iname.comwrote:
On Nov 8, 9:17 am, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:
A prospective client wants customizations to Joomla using PHP.
I have not done anything with Joomla. Is it worth my while to
invest the time to set it up and learn it?

Setup will take you all of ten minutes. Be aware though that Joomla!
exists in two flavors. The current release is 1.0, but it is being
replaced with 1.5, which is a complete rewrite. Almost everything,
from administration to developing extensions, is different in 1.5
compared to 1.0. So you might want to discuss this with your
prospective client.

As to learning, it is entirely up to you. If you are a fast learner
and expect to handle similar requests in the future, you should
consider it. If not, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense, unless
you enjoy learning for the sake of learning.
If it is, where would you recommend as a starting place.

joomla.org

Cheers,
NC
I understood that Shelly wanted to customize Joomla, not just use it?
Sorry if
I'm wrong.

Darko

Nov 8 '07 #4

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Darko wrote:
On Nov 8, 7:55 pm, NC <n...@iname.comwrote:
>On Nov 8, 9:17 am, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:
>>A prospective client wants customizations to Joomla using PHP.
I have not done anything with Joomla. Is it worth my while to
invest the time to set it up and learn it?

Setup will take you all of ten minutes. Be aware though that Joomla!
exists in two flavors. The current release is 1.0, but it is being
replaced with 1.5, which is a complete rewrite. Almost everything,
from administration to developing extensions, is different in 1.5
compared to 1.0. So you might want to discuss this with your
prospective client.

As to learning, it is entirely up to you. If you are a fast learner
and expect to handle similar requests in the future, you should
consider it. If not, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense, unless
you enjoy learning for the sake of learning.
>>If it is, where would you recommend as a starting place.

joomla.org

Cheers,
NC

I understood that Shelly wanted to customize Joomla, not just use it?
Sorry if
I'm wrong.

Darko
Correct, but actually I wouldn't be able to customize it unless I learned it
first. Is this something that goes on the server, or is it like Dreamweaver
that goes on the developer's machine? That is a big question that I didn't
readily find online.

Shelly
Nov 8 '07 #5

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On Nov 8, 8:09 pm, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:
Darko wrote:
On Nov 8, 7:55 pm, NC <n...@iname.comwrote:
On Nov 8, 9:17 am, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:
>A prospective client wants customizations to Joomla using PHP.
I have not done anything with Joomla. Is it worth my while to
invest the time to set it up and learn it?
Setup will take you all of ten minutes. Be aware though that Joomla!
exists in two flavors. The current release is 1.0, but it is being
replaced with 1.5, which is a complete rewrite. Almost everything,
from administration to developing extensions, is different in 1.5
compared to 1.0. So you might want to discuss this with your
prospective client.
As to learning, it is entirely up to you. If you are a fast learner
and expect to handle similar requests in the future, you should
consider it. If not, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense, unless
you enjoy learning for the sake of learning.
>If it is, where would you recommend as a starting place.
joomla.org
Cheers,
NC
I understood that Shelly wanted to customize Joomla, not just use it?
Sorry if
I'm wrong.
Darko

Correct, but actually I wouldn't be able to customize it unless I learned it
first. Is this something that goes on the server, or is it like Dreamweaver
that goes on the developer's machine? That is a big question that I didn't
readily find online.

Shelly
server, as much as I know. You install it, set parameters, fill the
database, and it works.
I never used it, so don't rely on me, it's just a clue. I bet there
are people here who know it
better than I do.

Nov 8 '07 #6

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Shelly wrote:
Darko wrote:
>On Nov 8, 7:55 pm, NC <n...@iname.comwrote:
>>On Nov 8, 9:17 am, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:

A prospective client wants customizations to Joomla using PHP.
I have not done anything with Joomla. Is it worth my while to
invest the time to set it up and learn it?
Setup will take you all of ten minutes. Be aware though that Joomla!
exists in two flavors. The current release is 1.0, but it is being
replaced with 1.5, which is a complete rewrite. Almost everything,
from administration to developing extensions, is different in 1.5
compared to 1.0. So you might want to discuss this with your
prospective client.

As to learning, it is entirely up to you. If you are a fast learner
and expect to handle similar requests in the future, you should
consider it. If not, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense, unless
you enjoy learning for the sake of learning.

If it is, where would you recommend as a starting place.
joomla.org

Cheers,
NC
I understood that Shelly wanted to customize Joomla, not just use it?
Sorry if
I'm wrong.

Darko

Correct, but actually I wouldn't be able to customize it unless I learned it
first. Is this something that goes on the server, or is it like Dreamweaver
that goes on the developer's machine? That is a big question that I didn't
readily find online.

Shelly
It's goes on the server.
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Nov 8 '07 #7

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On Nov 8, 12:17 pm, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:
Opinions sought:
============
A prospective client wants customizations to Joomla using PHP. I have not
done anything with Joomla. Is it worth my while to invest the time to set
it up and learn it? If it is, where would you recommend as a starting
place. I looked quickly on the web, but not found anything directly to the
point, and as I am busy right now I thought I would solicit opinions from
fellow professionals.
Why is the client insisting on Joomla? Do they already have a Joomla-
based site? If not, have they considered the full range of options?

Nov 8 '07 #8

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lawrence k wrote:
On Nov 8, 12:17 pm, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:
>Opinions sought:
============
A prospective client wants customizations to Joomla using PHP. I
have not done anything with Joomla. Is it worth my while to invest
the time to set it up and learn it? If it is, where would you
recommend as a starting place. I looked quickly on the web, but not
found anything directly to the point, and as I am busy right now I
thought I would solicit opinions from fellow professionals.

Why is the client insisting on Joomla? Do they already have a Joomla-
based site? If not, have they considered the full range of options?
When a client says "I want A", you don't try to sell him B. You sell him A.

Shelly
Nov 8 '07 #9

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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 16:52:56 -0500, "Shelly"
<sh************@asap-consult.comwrote:
>lawrence k wrote:
>On Nov 8, 12:17 pm, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:
>>Opinions sought:
============
A prospective client wants customizations to Joomla using PHP. I
have not done anything with Joomla. Is it worth my while to invest
the time to set it up and learn it? If it is, where would you
recommend as a starting place. I looked quickly on the web, but not
found anything directly to the point, and as I am busy right now I
thought I would solicit opinions from fellow professionals.

Why is the client insisting on Joomla? Do they already have a Joomla-
based site? If not, have they considered the full range of options?

When a client says "I want A", you don't try to sell him B. You sell him A.
No, you sell the client A and B and throw in C as well.
--
Regards, Paul Herber, Sandrila Ltd.
http://www.sandrila.co.uk/ http://www.pherber.com/
Nov 8 '07 #10

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"Shelly" <sh************@asap-consult.comwrote in message
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Correct, but actually I wouldn't be able to customize it unless I learned
it first. Is this something that goes on the server, or is it like
Dreamweaver that goes on the developer's machine? That is a big question
that I didn't readily find online.
It's just a bunch of PHP files.
No .exe's; no .dll's; just a bunch of PHP.
Nov 8 '07 #11

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Is this something that goes on the server, or is it like
Dreamweaver
that goes on the developer's machine? That is a big question that I
didn't readily find online.
So you had problems finding and/or understandig the Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joomla

I guess the answer is "no, it's not worth investing time". Because in case
THIS caused any trouble, I would be very surprised when learning Joomla
didn't.
Nov 8 '07 #12

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Jonas Werres wrote:
>Is this something that goes on the server, or is it like
Dreamweaver
that goes on the developer's machine? That is a big question that I
didn't readily find online.

So you had problems finding and/or understandig the Wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joomla

I guess the answer is "no, it's not worth investing time". Because in
case THIS caused any trouble, I would be very surprised when learning
Joomla didn't.
There is always one in every bunch, isn't there. No, I didn't see the
wikipedia. I searched and found the Joomla site and some others. Did you
not notice my original post where I said I was very busy and did a quick
search? Did you also not see where I was seeking advice from other experts?
I guess not on all counts. I guess some people just get their jollies by
being snide. Oh, well.

--
Shelly
Nov 9 '07 #13

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On Nov 8, 4:52 pm, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:
lawrence k wrote:
On Nov 8, 12:17 pm, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:
Opinions sought:
============
A prospective client wants customizations to Joomla using PHP. I
have not done anything with Joomla. Is it worth my while to invest
the time to set it up and learn it? If it is, where would you
recommend as a starting place. I looked quickly on the web, but not
found anything directly to the point, and as I am busy right now I
thought I would solicit opinions from fellow professionals.
Why is the client insisting on Joomla? Do they already have a Joomla-
based site? If not, have they considered the full range of options?

When a client says "I want A", you don't try to sell him B. You sell him A.
But why is the client asking for A? Because a friend recommended it to
them once? Or because they've already invested $40,000 setting up
their company intranet with Joomla, and now they just need some modest
customization? In the first case, there is room to discuss a wide
range of options, in the second case, it's clear that the client has
an investment they don't want to walk away from.


Nov 9 '07 #14

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NC
On Nov 8, 11:09 am, "Shelly" <sheldonlg.n...@asap-consult.comwrote:
>
I wouldn't be able to customize it unless I learned it first.
Is this something that goes on the server, or is it like Dreamweaver
that goes on the developer's machine?
All customizations (themes, extensions, etc.) reside on the server.

Cheers,
NC

Nov 9 '07 #15

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On 9 Nov, 17:11, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.netwrote:
Hmmmm - maybe I should take my own advice, eh?
You trust me?
Now there is the big question! I hate subcontracting out. The stress
is terrible.

I'm in the UK and recently I had a client in Australia and I subbed
some of the work out to one of my guys in the States. Matching all the
different timezones for status updates was a nightmare, especially
when I couldn't get in touch with the guy in the States.

At least if I know I'm gonna miss a deadline I know exactly what's
going on. BTW, the job mentioned above went OK and the client was very
happy, but the stress....

Nov 9 '07 #16

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"Captain Paralytic" <pa**********@yahoo.comwrote in message
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On 9 Nov, 17:11, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.netwrote:
>Hmmmm - maybe I should take my own advice, eh?
You trust me?
Now there is the big question! I hate subcontracting out. The stress
is terrible.

I'm in the UK and recently I had a client in Australia and I subbed
some of the work out to one of my guys in the States. Matching all the
different timezones for status updates was a nightmare, especially
when I couldn't get in touch with the guy in the States.

At least if I know I'm gonna miss a deadline I know exactly what's
going on. BTW, the job mentioned above went OK and the client was very
happy, but the stress....
How bouts this? I'll trust you.
You can pay me ex-post facto - fixed rate, instead of hourly - after you get
the code you need.
Put together a spec, put a dollar (or pound - I do both) value on it and a
deadline and send it to me at bu***@kaufman.net .

I'll let you know right away if I will accept it and make the
work-in-progress available to you.
That way - you'll know if it strays off schedule or off-spec - BEFORE it's
too late.

If we go through the whole process, only to find that what I thought was
good code, you thought was bad - no problem.
I understand that sometimes there's just a disconnect - especially with
strangers - so I'll just chalk it up to that and be done with it.
(I'll allow my self to get screwed by anyone... once.)

I pay my IPP (APlus.net) high-dollar, and in return I get some damned good
24x7 tech support.
Furthermore, they feature Joomla as one of the packages they specifically
support.
Between that and all the Joomla chatter here - the universe wants me to do
this. :)




Nov 9 '07 #17

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"tomb" <to**@technetcenter.comwrote in message
news:LB***************@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
Captain Paralytic wrote:
>But seriously. I am so busy, I'd love to find other Joomla literate
folks that I could trust to sub-contract to!

It just so happens I'm about to undertake a Joomla project for one of my
clients. I'm in the US, and I also would be interested in discussing some
joint work with you. My PHP background is only a tad limited - I haven't
done much with regex - but I've already seen some of the places in Joomla
where customization is done.
You asked for it, Capt.!
Nov 9 '07 #18

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On Nov 9, 7:41 pm, Captain Paralytic <paul_laut...@yahoo.comwrote:
On 9 Nov, 17:11, "Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.netwrote:Hmmmm - maybe I should take my own advice, eh?
You trust me?

Now there is the big question! I hate subcontracting out. The stress
is terrible.

I'm in the UK and recently I had a client in Australia and I subbed
some of the work out to one of my guys in the States. Matching all the
different timezones for status updates was a nightmare, especially
when I couldn't get in touch with the guy in the States.

At least if I know I'm gonna miss a deadline I know exactly what's
going on. BTW, the job mentioned above went OK and the client was very
happy, but the stress....
Don't justify your self. Admit you're not capable of doing business so
that
everyone who sees the post knows not to take you. ;-)

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