php & html editor

[Evan Jou]

Hi there,

I'm starting to learn php and need a php editor for windows. Can you
recommend what you think the best editor available in the market? I've tried
some free html editors and was not satisfied with them. I need one that is
simple and neat, but can display different color on different part of the
script if you know what I mean. Your opinion is always welcome and thanks in
advance. :)

Evan Jou

[Meglio]

http://www.php-editors.com/forums/ph...6-notepad.html

[macca]

Hi,

Ive tried Dreamweaver, Homesite, Zend studio, Coffecup editor ... and
I have to say, the best contextual editor I have used so far is
conTEXT (free at www.context.cx).

I use it as my main programming editor. You can download many
different contextual highlighters such as HTML and PHP.

It is a an unbelievably high standard for a piece of closed source
free software. I reccommend it.

Regards,

Paul

[Jensen Somers]

Hello,

On Sun, 23 Sep 2007 03:15:25 +0000, Evan Jou wrote:

Hi there,

I'm starting to learn php and need a php editor for windows. Can you
recommend what you think the best editor available in the market? I've
tried some free html editors and was not satisfied with them. I need one
that is simple and neat, but can display different color on different
part of the script if you know what I mean. Your opinion is always
welcome and thanks in advance. :)

Evan Jou

Not free, but both Komodo (http://www.activestate.com/products/
komodo_ide/) and both Zend Studio (http://www.zend.com/products/
zend_studio) are powerful IDE's when it comes to developing and debugging
PHP code. You can also try Eclipse with the PHP plugin.
All cross-platform too, so that's a bonus.

Next to that I use notepad++ a lot on Windows. It has color support for
dozens of languages, function listing and so on.

- Jensen

[Sanders Kaufman]

"macca" <pt*******@googlemail.comwrote in message
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Hi,

Ive tried Dreamweaver, Homesite, Zend studio, Coffecup editor ... and
I have to say, the best contextual editor I have used so far is
conTEXT (free at www.context.cx).

I use it as my main programming editor. You can download many
different contextual highlighters such as HTML and PHP.

It is a an unbelievably high standard for a piece of closed source
free software. I reccommend it.

The biggest downside with it - and this is true of most PHP editors besides
Zend - is the lack of code completion.

[bill]

Evan Jou wrote:

Hi there,

I'm starting to learn php and need a php editor for windows. Can you
recommend what you think the best editor available in the market? I've tried
some free html editors and was not satisfied with them. I need one that is
simple and neat, but can display different color on different part of the
script if you know what I mean. Your opinion is always welcome and thanks in
advance. :)

Evan Jou

I use and like HTML-Kit
http://www.Htmlkit.com

build 292 is free, but if you want some nice goodies there is a
small registration fee. Try it for fee and then decide.

it has code completion for php, and a php plugin that gives lots
of contextual information.

build 300 is in beta a is available to registered 292 users.
300 looks quite awesome.

bill

[macca]

I have to say, the best contextual editor I have used so far is
conTEXT (free atwww.context.cx).

<snip>

The biggest downside with it - and this is true of most PHP editors besides
Zend - is the lack of code completion.

I disagree sir! One of the things that I like most about it is that it
doesnt have loads of annoying bells and whistles and other stuff that
gets in the way.

I have on my laptop a chm of the PHP manual and conTEXT. Thats all i
need to develop in any environment.

I suppose everybodys different though. I like the sleekness and speed
of conTEXT that I didnt get with the bulky Zend studio.

Regards,

Paul

[Michael Fesser]

..oO(Sanders Kaufman)

>Zend Studio for $99. Works on *nix, Windows and Mac.

Eclipse/PDT for $0. Works on *nix, Windows and Mac.

SCNR
Micha

[Evan Jou]

Hi there,

Thanks for all the information you provide here. I tried notepad++ and
it suits my need. Thanks again for you that reply to this thread. Thank you!
:)

Evan Jou

[Sanders Kaufman]

"Michael Fesser" <ne*****@gmx.dewrote in message
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.oO(Sanders Kaufman)

>>Zend Studio for $99. Works on *nix, Windows and Mac.

Eclipse/PDT for $0. Works on *nix, Windows and Mac.

I tried out Eclipse, but it was very difficult to figure out.
I'm no IDE newbie - but that thing was just *weird*.

It's designed for Java - and has to be modified to do PHP well.
To that end, the current version of Zend is designed for PHP, and also has
built-in support for Java.

If you're a Java programmer who needs PHP, too - Eclipse is probably best.
But if you're looking for a PHP/HTML editor (the subject question) - Zend is
much easier.
.... for a price.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"macca" <pt*******@googlemail.comwrote in message
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>The biggest downside with it - and this is true of most PHP editors
besides
Zend - is the lack of code completion.

I disagree sir! One of the things that I like most about it is that it
doesnt have loads of annoying bells and whistles and other stuff that
gets in the way.

Yeah - there's a lotta people out there who just don't want the extra help.
But if you're newbie enough to not know what good editors out there, you're
probably newbie enough to benefit from those features.

I suppose everybodys different though. I like the sleekness and speed
of conTEXT that I didnt get with the bulky Zend studio.

To that end - simply mapping a Network Place and using any old text editor
is effective.

[Michael Fesser]

..oO(Sanders Kaufman)

>"Michael Fesser" <ne*****@gmx.dewrote in message
news:kg********************************@4ax.com.. .

>Eclipse/PDT for $0. Works on *nix, Windows and Mac.

I tried out Eclipse, but it was very difficult to figure out.

Sure, it can take some time to get used to it. But that's an issue you
have to deal with in every complex application. If you've never worked
with an image editor like Paint Shop Pro for example, you would have the
same problems and would have to work your way through to get familiar
with it, which is not that easy because of its complexity.

>I'm no IDE newbie - but that thing was just *weird*.

Different maybe, but not weird.

>It's designed for Java - and has to be modified to do PHP well.

All you need is the PDT plugin, which integrates very well. Even for
Java development you need a lot of additional plugins. A naked Eclipse
installation can't do much out-of-the-box. Eclipse itself is just the
framework without much practical function. It's the plugins that make it
a usable and freely customizable IDE.

>To that end, the current version of Zend is designed for PHP

So is the PDT feature, which is also developed by Zend.

>, and also has
built-in support for Java.

If you're a Java programmer who needs PHP, too - Eclipse is probably best.
But if you're looking for a PHP/HTML editor (the subject question) - Zend is
much easier.

Depends.

For HTML/XML/CSS/JS/AJAX... stuff there's also another very nice project
called Aptana. It's available as a standalone application or as a set of
Eclipse plugins, which is a very convenient way to have it all under the
same hood.

>... for a price.

If I can have the same or even more for free, why waste money?

Micha

[Steve]

"Michael Fesser" <ne*****@gmx.dewrote in message
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.oO(Sanders Kaufman)

>>"Michael Fesser" <ne*****@gmx.dewrote in message
news:kg********************************@4ax.com. ..

>>Eclipse/PDT for $0. Works on *nix, Windows and Mac.

I tried out Eclipse, but it was very difficult to figure out.

Sure, it can take some time to get used to it. But that's an issue you
have to deal with in every complex application. If you've never worked
with an image editor like Paint Shop Pro for example, you would have the
same problems and would have to work your way through to get familiar
with it, which is not that easy because of its complexity.

>>I'm no IDE newbie - but that thing was just *weird*.

Different maybe, but not weird.

>>It's designed for Java - and has to be modified to do PHP well.

All you need is the PDT plugin, which integrates very well. Even for
Java development you need a lot of additional plugins. A naked Eclipse
installation can't do much out-of-the-box. Eclipse itself is just the
framework without much practical function. It's the plugins that make it
a usable and freely customizable IDE.

>>To that end, the current version of Zend is designed for PHP

So is the PDT feature, which is also developed by Zend.

>>, and also has
built-in support for Java.

If you're a Java programmer who needs PHP, too - Eclipse is probably best.
But if you're looking for a PHP/HTML editor (the subject question) - Zend
is
much easier.

Depends.

For HTML/XML/CSS/JS/AJAX... stuff there's also another very nice project
called Aptana. It's available as a standalone application or as a set of
Eclipse plugins, which is a very convenient way to have it all under the
same hood.

>>... for a price.

If I can have the same or even more for free, why waste money?

micha,

can you do vertical editing in eclipse?

[Michael Fesser]

..oO(Steve)

>can you do vertical editing in eclipse?

I must admit this was the first time I read the term "vertical editing".
A quick Google search wasn't that helpful, but if you're referring to
marking multiple code lines and indenting them all at once for example -
yes, can be done. If there's more about this, please tell me.

Micha

[Steve]

"Michael Fesser" <ne*****@gmx.dewrote in message
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.oO(Steve)

>>can you do vertical editing in eclipse?

I must admit this was the first time I read the term "vertical editing".
A quick Google search wasn't that helpful, but if you're referring to
marking multiple code lines and indenting them all at once for example -
yes, can be done. If there's more about this, please tell me.

no, that's exactly what i meant by it. i'm thinking about switching then.
i've been using crimson editor over any other simply because i'm a freak
about coding standards...like aligning assignments, sql statement stuff,
etc., etc.. it does code folding and auto-completion, right?

have they improved the load time? used to take forever (comparitavely) for
eclipse to load all it's java crap...which is one reason i eventually bailed
out of using it.

btw, what keystrokes do you do to toggle the 'vertical editing'
functionality?

tia,

me

[Jerry Stuckle]

Steve wrote:

"Michael Fesser" <ne*****@gmx.dewrote in message
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>.oO(Steve)

>>can you do vertical editing in eclipse?

I must admit this was the first time I read the term "vertical editing".
A quick Google search wasn't that helpful, but if you're referring to
marking multiple code lines and indenting them all at once for example -
yes, can be done. If there's more about this, please tell me.

no, that's exactly what i meant by it. i'm thinking about switching then.
i've been using crimson editor over any other simply because i'm a freak
about coding standards...like aligning assignments, sql statement stuff,
etc., etc.. it does code folding and auto-completion, right?

have they improved the load time? used to take forever (comparitavely) for
eclipse to load all it's java crap...which is one reason i eventually bailed
out of using it.

Not last time I tried it a few months ago. It didn't last on my machine
very long.

It looks nice. But I do a lot of my work on a laptop, and it was just
too slow to load, and once up, too slot to run.

Plus I don't use things like code completion anyway. It gets in the way
of my typing - I'm often not looking at the screen when I type.

I agree - Crimson is great. Small, fast, and without a lot of baggage.

btw, what keystrokes do you do to toggle the 'vertical editing'
functionality?

tia,

me

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[Sanders Kaufman]

"Michael Fesser" <ne*****@gmx.dewrote in message
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.oO(Sanders Kaufman)

>>I tried out Eclipse, but it was very difficult to figure out.

Sure, it can take some time to get used to it. But that's an issue you
have to deal with in every complex application. If you've never worked
with an image editor like Paint Shop Pro for example, you would have the
same problems and would have to work your way through to get familiar
with it, which is not that easy because of its complexity.

PSP is a good example.
I opened that one and, since it works the way all similar graphic apps work,
it was easy to figure out.
Then, I tried GIMP - a very popular program among the twidgets.
I gave up trying to use it because the interface was so *weird*.

>>I'm no IDE newbie - but that thing was just *weird*.

Different maybe, but not weird.

That's just being argumentative there is what that is.

>>It's designed for Java - and has to be modified to do PHP well.

All you need is the PDT plugin, which integrates very well. Even for
Java development you need a lot of additional plugins. A naked Eclipse
installation can't do much out-of-the-box. Eclipse itself is just the
framework without much practical function. It's the plugins that make it
a usable and freely customizable IDE.

I always believed the hype that it's and IDE.
I never realized it was simply a framework upon which folks *build* IDE's.
That just further reinforces my position that I would NOT recommend it as an
editor - especially to a newbie.

>>If you're a Java programmer who needs PHP, too - Eclipse is probably best.
But if you're looking for a PHP/HTML editor (the subject question) - Zend
is
much easier.

Depends.

For HTML/XML/CSS/JS/AJAX... stuff there's also another very nice project
called Aptana. It's available as a standalone application or as a set of
Eclipse plugins, which is a very convenient way to have it all under the
same hood.

>

>>... for a price.

If I can have the same or even more for free, why waste money?

Because, as you so clearly pointed out - Eclipse is not an IDE unto itself.
You gotta do a bunch of stuff to make it so.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
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Plus I don't use things like code completion anyway. It gets in the way
of my typing - I'm often not looking at the screen when I type.

I *started* to have that problem in a serious way.
But after becoming familiar with the enviornment, code-completion actually
meant FEWER keystrokes to write my code.

For example, when you type "mysql_" it pops up with a bunch of choices.
If you're not expecting it, escaping out of it and typing what you started
to type is frustrating as hell.

But once you get used to the code-completion popup, you can finish the
command with a couple of down arrows and a tab, instead of having to type
out the whole command.
And if you're subject to making spelling mistakes, as most mortals are, then
doing it that way means you never misspell a command.

Beyond that, I sometimes use variable names that are spelled the same, but
capitalized differently.
Code-completion pops up to show which variables are defined - with the
defined capitalization.
So it not only helps in avoiding misspellings, but miscapitalizations as
well.

[Steve]

"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
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Steve wrote:

>"Michael Fesser" <ne*****@gmx.dewrote in message
news:a6********************************@4ax.com.. .

>>.oO(Steve)

can you do vertical editing in eclipse?
I must admit this was the first time I read the term "vertical editing".
A quick Google search wasn't that helpful, but if you're referring to
marking multiple code lines and indenting them all at once for example -
yes, can be done. If there's more about this, please tell me.

no, that's exactly what i meant by it. i'm thinking about switching then.
i've been using crimson editor over any other simply because i'm a freak
about coding standards...like aligning assignments, sql statement stuff,
etc., etc.. it does code folding and auto-completion, right?

have they improved the load time? used to take forever (comparitavely)
for eclipse to load all it's java crap...which is one reason i eventually
bailed out of using it.

Not last time I tried it a few months ago. It didn't last on my machine
very long.

It looks nice. But I do a lot of my work on a laptop, and it was just too
slow to load, and once up, too slot to run.

Plus I don't use things like code completion anyway. It gets in the way
of my typing - I'm often not looking at the screen when I type.

I agree - Crimson is great. Small, fast, and without a lot of baggage.

ah hell...i sure wouldn't mind having code folding in crimson though. i
guess i'll stick with it a while longer. it's done me well for the past four
years. it can last a couple more.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Sanders Kaufman wrote:

"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
news:D-******************************@comcast.com...

>Plus I don't use things like code completion anyway. It gets in the way
of my typing - I'm often not looking at the screen when I type.

I *started* to have that problem in a serious way.
But after becoming familiar with the enviornment, code-completion actually
meant FEWER keystrokes to write my code.

For example, when you type "mysql_" it pops up with a bunch of choices.
If you're not expecting it, escaping out of it and typing what you started
to type is frustrating as hell.

But once you get used to the code-completion popup, you can finish the
command with a couple of down arrows and a tab, instead of having to type
out the whole command.
And if you're subject to making spelling mistakes, as most mortals are, then
doing it that way means you never misspell a command.

I'm a touch typist - and as I said above, I'm often not looking at the
screen when I'm typing. And I can finish the function name by typing it
in much faster than I can look at the screen, hit a couple of down
arrows and a tab.

Sure, I occasionally misspell a command. But I'm still faster typing it
out than with some code completion.

Don't get me wrong - it's great for the "poke and hope" typists. But
when you're moving along at 80 wpm, it's a tremendous slowdown.

Beyond that, I sometimes use variable names that are spelled the same, but
capitalized differently.
Code-completion pops up to show which variables are defined - with the
defined capitalization.
So it not only helps in avoiding misspellings, but miscapitalizations as
well.

I don't do that. I have a system on how to capitalize variables, and
use it consistently.

But the secret here is to be consistent. However you do it, ALWAYS do
it that way.

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[Steve]

"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
news:D-******************************@comcast.com...

>>Plus I don't use things like code completion anyway. It gets in the way
of my typing - I'm often not looking at the screen when I type.

I *started* to have that problem in a serious way.
But after becoming familiar with the enviornment, code-completion
actually meant FEWER keystrokes to write my code.

For example, when you type "mysql_" it pops up with a bunch of choices.
If you're not expecting it, escaping out of it and typing what you
started to type is frustrating as hell.

But once you get used to the code-completion popup, you can finish the
command with a couple of down arrows and a tab, instead of having to type
out the whole command.
And if you're subject to making spelling mistakes, as most mortals are,
then doing it that way means you never misspell a command.

I'm a touch typist - and as I said above, I'm often not looking at the
screen when I'm typing. And I can finish the function name by typing it
in much faster than I can look at the screen, hit a couple of down arrows
and a tab.

Sure, I occasionally misspell a command. But I'm still faster typing it
out than with some code completion.

Don't get me wrong - it's great for the "poke and hope" typists. But when
you're moving along at 80 wpm, it's a tremendous slowdown.

i don't find it so. i type at around 85 wpm (right at 125 if not by
dictation). you've seen my spelling, so you know my actual finger speed has
to be significantly faster to maintain that average. anyway, if i'm
accessing a function or other lookup target, i usually only have to type 2
characters plus ctrl+j (for instance). i know the functions so that even if
there are more than one, i know from use, how many times to down-arrow
(which is normally just once if any). so, if a function name is 8 characters
long (like ob_start), i only have to type a total of 5. spread that out over
a thousand lines of code per day and it really adds up. all of this i can do
heads-down.

sounds like that's just me though.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
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Sanders Kaufman wrote:

I'm a touch typist - and as I said above, I'm often not looking at the
screen when I'm typing. And I can finish the function name by typing it
in much faster than I can look at the screen, hit a couple of down arrows
and a tab.

Sure, I occasionally misspell a command. But I'm still faster typing it
out than with some code completion.

Don't get me wrong - it's great for the "poke and hope" typists. But when
you're moving along at 80 wpm, it's a tremendous slowdown.

I'm a touch-typist, as well - 100WPM 10 years ago.
If you add mastery of 21st century code-completion, to mastery of 19th
century keyboard layout - you can cut your keystrokes nearly in half.
All the kids are doing it these days.

>Beyond that, I sometimes use variable names that are spelled the same,
but capitalized differently.
Code-completion pops up to show which variables are defined - with the
defined capitalization.
So it not only helps in avoiding misspellings, but miscapitalizations as
well.

I don't do that. I have a system on how to capitalize variables, and use
it consistently.
But the secret here is to be consistent. However you do it, ALWAYS do it
that way.

Hmmm - I've always thought the key to being productive was versatility.
Breadth vs. depth - it's a timeless question, ain't it?

[rf]

"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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I'm a touch-typist, as well - 100WPM 10 years ago.
If you add mastery of 21st century code-completion, to mastery of 19th
century keyboard layout - you can cut your keystrokes nearly in half.
All the kids are doing it these days.

Ever watched the kids using a telephone to sms each other?

--
Richard.

[Jerry Stuckle]

Steve wrote:

"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
news:f5******************************@comcast.com. ..

>Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>>"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
news:D-******************************@comcast.com...

Plus I don't use things like code completion anyway. It gets in the way
of my typing - I'm often not looking at the screen when I type.
I *started* to have that problem in a serious way.
But after becoming familiar with the enviornment, code-completion
actually meant FEWER keystrokes to write my code.

For example, when you type "mysql_" it pops up with a bunch of choices.
If you're not expecting it, escaping out of it and typing what you
started to type is frustrating as hell.

But once you get used to the code-completion popup, you can finish the
command with a couple of down arrows and a tab, instead of having to type
out the whole command.
And if you're subject to making spelling mistakes, as most mortals are,
then doing it that way means you never misspell a command.

I'm a touch typist - and as I said above, I'm often not looking at the
screen when I'm typing. And I can finish the function name by typing it
in much faster than I can look at the screen, hit a couple of down arrows
and a tab.

Sure, I occasionally misspell a command. But I'm still faster typing it
out than with some code completion.

Don't get me wrong - it's great for the "poke and hope" typists. But when
you're moving along at 80 wpm, it's a tremendous slowdown.

i don't find it so. i type at around 85 wpm (right at 125 if not by
dictation). you've seen my spelling, so you know my actual finger speed has
to be significantly faster to maintain that average. anyway, if i'm
accessing a function or other lookup target, i usually only have to type 2
characters plus ctrl+j (for instance). i know the functions so that even if
there are more than one, i know from use, how many times to down-arrow
(which is normally just once if any). so, if a function name is 8 characters
long (like ob_start), i only have to type a total of 5. spread that out over
a thousand lines of code per day and it really adds up. all of this i can do
heads-down.

sounds like that's just me though.

That's good for you, Steve. But still find it slows me down. It's much
easier for me to type mysql_query than it is to write my-down arrow-down
arrow-down arrow-tab. I don't need to move my fingers from the main
part of the keyboard and (quite often) put them back in the wrong place.

But to each their own. I don't have anything against them. I just
don't find them helpful.

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Sanders Kaufman wrote:

"Jerry Stuckle" <js*******@attglobal.netwrote in message
news:f5******************************@comcast.com. ..

>Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>I'm a touch typist - and as I said above, I'm often not looking at the
screen when I'm typing. And I can finish the function name by typing it
in much faster than I can look at the screen, hit a couple of down arrows
and a tab.

Sure, I occasionally misspell a command. But I'm still faster typing it
out than with some code completion.

Don't get me wrong - it's great for the "poke and hope" typists. But when
you're moving along at 80 wpm, it's a tremendous slowdown.

I'm a touch-typist, as well - 100WPM 10 years ago.
If you add mastery of 21st century code-completion, to mastery of 19th
century keyboard layout - you can cut your keystrokes nearly in half.
All the kids are doing it these days.

>>Beyond that, I sometimes use variable names that are spelled the same,
but capitalized differently.
Code-completion pops up to show which variables are defined - with the
defined capitalization.
So it not only helps in avoiding misspellings, but miscapitalizations as
well.

I don't do that. I have a system on how to capitalize variables, and use
it consistently.
But the secret here is to be consistent. However you do it, ALWAYS do it
that way.

Hmmm - I've always thought the key to being productive was versatility.
Breadth vs. depth - it's a timeless question, ain't it?

Versatility does not mean lack of consistency.

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[Sanders Kaufman]

"rf" <[e-mail] in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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>I'm a touch-typist, as well - 100WPM 10 years ago.
If you add mastery of 21st century code-completion, to mastery of 19th
century keyboard layout - you can cut your keystrokes nearly in half.
All the kids are doing it these days.

Ever watched the kids using a telephone to sms each other?

That's *exactly* what I was thinking of.
My niece is a texting guru.
She has her phone all setup for a kind of code-completion.
She types a couple of characters - and it spits out a whole sentence.

If she were to type out every character - she'd have powdered writs-bones...
like my generation has!

[Shelly]

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>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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>>I'm a touch-typist, as well - 100WPM 10 years ago.
If you add mastery of 21st century code-completion, to mastery of 19th
century keyboard layout - you can cut your keystrokes nearly in half.
All the kids are doing it these days.

Ever watched the kids using a telephone to sms each other?

That's *exactly* what I was thinking of.
My niece is a texting guru.
She has her phone all setup for a kind of code-completion.
She types a couple of characters - and it spits out a whole sentence.

Why????? That, to me, is like looking at a big console radio and expecting
to see the show. Why type? Why not simply TALK? OK, I can see one reason.
That would be to send a message if the person isn't answering. Then, again,
isn't that what voicemail is for?

Shelly

[Steve]

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>>"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message
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I'm a touch-typist, as well - 100WPM 10 years ago.
If you add mastery of 21st century code-completion, to mastery of 19th
century keyboard layout - you can cut your keystrokes nearly in half.
All the kids are doing it these days.

Ever watched the kids using a telephone to sms each other?

That's *exactly* what I was thinking of.
My niece is a texting guru.
She has her phone all setup for a kind of code-completion.
She types a couple of characters - and it spits out a whole sentence.

Why????? That, to me, is like looking at a big console radio and
expecting to see the show. Why type? Why not simply TALK? OK, I can see
one reason. That would be to send a message if the person isn't answering.
Then, again, isn't that what voicemail is for?

nah, that's so they can 'talk' during class or church or whatever else of
benefit they should be engaged in. it also costs less than actually talking.

[Sanders Kaufman]

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"Shelly" <sh************@asap-consult.comwrote in message

>Why????? That, to me, is like looking at a big console radio and
expecting to see the show. Why type? Why not simply TALK? OK, I can
see one reason. That would be to send a message if the person isn't
answering. Then, again, isn't that what voicemail is for?

nah, that's so they can 'talk' during class or church or whatever else of
benefit they should be engaged in. it also costs less than actually
talking.

Oh, MAN does my niece ever wish THAT were true.
Our calling program charged something like 10cents for every message.
At first, some days, she'd text back-and-forth 20+ times in a day.
She spent her entire first Starbucks paycheck on that.

[Sanders Kaufman]

"Shelly" <sh************@asap-consult.comwrote in message
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>That's *exactly* what I was thinking of.
My niece is a texting guru.
She has her phone all setup for a kind of code-completion.
She types a couple of characters - and it spits out a whole sentence.

Why????? That, to me, is like looking at a big console radio and
expecting to see the show. Why type? Why not simply TALK? OK, I can see
one reason. That would be to send a message if the person isn't answering.
Then, again, isn't that what voicemail is for?

Because, for them, it's more efficient than dialing a bunch of numbers,
waiting for someone to answer, getting past the hellos and the can-you-talks
and then, after all that, remembering the unimportant thing you wanted to
say.

Welcome to the 21st century.

[Steve]

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>"Shelly" <sh************@asap-consult.comwrote in message

>>Why????? That, to me, is like looking at a big console radio and
expecting to see the show. Why type? Why not simply TALK? OK, I can
see one reason. That would be to send a message if the person isn't
answering. Then, again, isn't that what voicemail is for?

nah, that's so they can 'talk' during class or church or whatever else of
benefit they should be engaged in. it also costs less than actually
talking.

Oh, MAN does my niece ever wish THAT were true.
Our calling program charged something like 10cents for every message.
At first, some days, she'd text back-and-forth 20+ times in a day.
She spent her entire first Starbucks paycheck on that.

2 bucks?

(just play'n)

[Sanders Kaufman]

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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu***@kaufman.netwrote in message

>Oh, MAN does my niece ever wish THAT were true.
Our calling program charged something like 10cents for every message.
At first, some days, she'd text back-and-forth 20+ times in a day.
She spent her entire first Starbucks paycheck on that.

2 bucks?

per day

>
(just play'n)

[Jerry Stuckle]

Steve wrote:

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>"Steve" <no****@example.comwrote in message
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>>"Shelly" <sh************@asap-consult.comwrote in message
Why????? That, to me, is like looking at a big console radio and
expecting to see the show. Why type? Why not simply TALK? OK, I can
see one reason. That would be to send a message if the person isn't
answering. Then, again, isn't that what voicemail is for?
nah, that's so they can 'talk' during class or church or whatever else of
benefit they should be engaged in. it also costs less than actually
talking.

Oh, MAN does my niece ever wish THAT were true.
Our calling program charged something like 10cents for every message.
At first, some days, she'd text back-and-forth 20+ times in a day.
She spent her entire first Starbucks paycheck on that.

2 bucks?

(just play'n)

Right over his head, Steve :-)

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