what is your way for doing stuff with PHP?

[Michael]

hey all,
I'm wondering what tools and techniques people use to do stuff with
PHP.
yes yes, I know it depends. but in general, let's say you have a BIG
project to complete, how would you do it?
there are programmers that all they use is direct PHP, there are some
people that use template engine [ie Smarty] and some database
abstraction [ie- ADODB ] , there are people that use some MVC
framework or something else.

so, what are you guys using most of the time?

[Paul Furman]

Michael wrote:

hey all,
I'm wondering what tools and techniques people use to do stuff with
PHP.
yes yes, I know it depends. but in general, let's say you have a BIG
project to complete, how would you do it?
there are programmers that all they use is direct PHP, there are some
people that use template engine [ie Smarty] and some database
abstraction [ie- ADODB ] , there are people that use some MVC
framework or something else.

so, what are you guys using most of the time?

I just do programming intermittantly: updates to a couple web sites. I
use pspad as an editor which has formatting & search/replace in multiple
files, helps with indenting, variable tracking, bracket matching, etc.

I learned in a community college & had to start with a Visual Basic
prerequisite. VB has a GUI form interface with property dialogue boxes &
some plain code mixed in too. I'm not aware of any interface for php
like that.

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[Sanders Kaufman]

Tom wrote:

>
I usually check if there was already an existing program I could use, instead of
recreating the wheel. As an example, I had worked on a site that want to setup a
message board. Rather than make one from scratch, which would have been a
nightmare, I got a few recommendations for PHPBB and that was a very well
developed and maintained program. If something like that didn't exist, then I
would have had to start with nothing.

That's more of a way to *avoid* doing stuff with PHP.

[Henk verhoeven]

Michael schreef:

hey all,
I'm wondering what tools and techniques people use to do stuff with
PHP.
yes yes, I know it depends. but in general, let's say you have a BIG
project to complete, how would you do it?
there are programmers that all they use is direct PHP, there are some
people that use template engine [ie Smarty] and some database
abstraction [ie- ADODB ] , there are people that use some MVC
framework or something else.

so, what are you guys using most of the time?

For web apps with input forms, searches, lists and dialogs i use
phpPeanuts. For websites and their content management i have a CMS
written on top of it. The websites themselves are pritty much custom
pages and components following the composition by include and callback
pattern. I edit with UltraEdit, but most searching i do with the
hypercode browsers, testing with pnt/unit, debugging with the callbacks
printed by the phpPeanuts error handler*.

Greetings,

Henk Verhoeven,
www.phpPeanuts.org.

* PhpPeanuts is a an MVC, ORM, QBE, CRUD, staffolding & MDD framework.
The CMS and the hypercode browsers are not available for download, but
the hypercode browsers can be used on line on the phpPeanuts code and
its examples. pnt/unit is no longer included in phpPeanuts but can be
grabbed from an older version (not too old! - to be safe u better not
download it from a 3rd party site).

[noidtluom]

direct PHP. unless on special request.

[Manny]

On Jul 17, 10:15 am, Michael <[e-mail]:

hey all,
I'm wondering what tools and techniques people use to do stuff with
PHP.
yes yes, I know it depends. but in general, let's say you have a BIG
project to complete, how would you do it?
there are programmers that all they use is direct PHP, there are some
people that use template engine [ie Smarty] and some database
abstraction [ie- ADODB ] , there are people that use some MVC
framework or something else.

so, what are you guys using most of the time?

In my course of programming, what I do is with every new problem is
run into is write something to address that issue using a sound
Programming Pattern and add it to a library of code I amass. It's good
to reinvent for pedagogical purposes so I suggest you atleast try to
write your own implementation of everything you run into first, then
size it up to anything that might be available.

Personally for any large scale, or sites that are meant to scale well,
I use a custom designed Framework in conjunction with Smarty for
templatization and use PEAR for DB abstraction.

What really helps understand the possible ways to develop a solution
is to also understand programming patterns, since, as the name
implies, their are certain patterns of solutions that are time tested
and are best suited for certain kinds of problems that arise....

The MVC (Model View Controller) Pattern is a good place to start with
a basic PHP frame work.

Hope this helps.

[Noozer]

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On Jul 17, 10:15 am, Michael <[e-mail]:

>hey all,
I'm wondering what tools and techniques people use to do stuff with
PHP.

Write it in pseudo code (point form English, basically). Then I break each
point into smaller steps. I repeat this until I have something that is very
close to real code.