The Pumpkinification of Volker

[Quirk]

Disclaimer: Unless you are Volker, or intersted in witnessing a game
of Dozens, there is no need for you to read this thread. Nothin' 'but
trash talk from here on in. I'm fed up with this ass. Reasonable
discusion on the subject continues in the old thread.

"Volker Hetzer" <vo***********@ieee.org> wrote in message news:<c8**********@nntp.fujitsu-siemens.com>...

You implied that I didn't run the contract by our law department.
Volker, while it is very honerable of your employers give you a job,
participating in government projects to aid the mentaly handicapped is
commendable indeed, there is no way they would let you make contract
choices, so you have no need to run them by the law department. Your
job is confined to screwing up obscure code and posting drivel to
usenet, as your nurse explained, please review your employment
agreement.

Did you imagine, that although I was not responding to
you, somehow It was you I was talking about? As usual, you make no
sence. You did talk to me. Read up your article
Umm, what that sentenece means is that my original suggestions where
not directed at you, nor your employers, specificaly, rather they
where general advice.

Of couse I did talk to you, however only in response to your nonsence,
I haven't yet initatied any discusion with you, although I may still,
since you are such an interesting study in cluelessness, mostly
because of your verbosity and desperation to find reasons to talk
about yourself and the unskilled labour you perform.

'Try it sometime' -- Another attempt to portray yourself as having
greater experience, another fallacy. So, what's your experience?
As I have said many times, I will let my arguments stand on their own,
rather then attempting a //fallacious// "appeal to authority" as you
continuously try.

However, I will grant you, in some cases, great experience is to be
deferred to. For example: no would would question your expertise in
the field of licking urinals clean, as everyone knows you where
schooled by your mother, the world's leading authority.
No, closed source licence agreements are so devised. If I buy oracle (or purify) or whatever, I buy a fixed price for the
product *once* and the maintenance annually. There is no
sucking dry part.
The term 'sucking dry' may confuse you, since it reminds of the
fantasies you have about feeding Ruffies to Larry Ellison at Oracle
World and sucking him dry, so perhaps you should ask a smarter
colleage what is meant by the economist's concept of "prices rise to
what the market will bear" and then have a little talk about price
ceilings in a protectionistic/monopolistic environment and David
Ricardo's concept of "Economic rent" and you might understand the
technical model for 'sucking dry'. Which, unfortunatly, will likely
get you fantasising about Larry again, rather than thinking about
price theory, but what the heck, give it a try.
You pay for labour, yes, why would this not be obvious? I'm trying to make it obvious to you that I can pay for the labour perfectly
fine without having the right to the source code. It's what those
perfectly fine maintenance contracts are for.
Yes, just like under the dictorship of the proletariat, you have the
right to vote, as long as you vote for The Party. What happened to
your communist scholarship? Oh, right, I remember, your references to
Mao where out of context too.

Do you get together with your bretheren and sing Oracle partisan
songs, declaring the greatness of your fearless leader?
Ok, somehow you seem to think 4 (ok, at most 5) weeks migration
Interesting, 4 (or maybe 5) weeks pulled directly out of your ass. Is
this some sort on universal law? The law of the 4 (or 5) week
migration? Perhaps we should call this the Volker Principle. Of course
competent project managers would laugh themselves silly. The joke is
probably lost on you though.
It also means you never have to stop using the product simply because
the vendor wants to sell you a new one if the product continues to
meet your needs, since with source, you can recompile for for a new
cpu, a new os, or when new security updates are available for the
libraries it depends on. And where are the security updates for the obsolete database?
_library_ updates dumbass, for instance your ssl library.
Where are the customers that want to buy a piece of legacy code?
Please figure out the difference between _stop_using_ and
_start_using_ and read the quoted statement again.
You still have the source code. Yes, I can print it out and kill some trees with it.
To each his own, normaly one would compile it. But then normaly a
keyboard is for typing, for you it's mostly for drooling on.
Yet the vendor gaurantees nothing.

He guarantees to put labour to my service requests.

As long as it is profitable for them.
Btw, what does mysql guarantee if you take out a service contract
with them?
They guarantee that they can never hold you hostage to their services,
because you have the source code.

The database vendor obviously
balances maintenance costs and development costs, trying to minimize both. The vendor only tries to maximize profits. Yes, and where is the contradiction?
Closed source is a barrier to price elasticity, cost push analysis
therefore no longer aplies, rather Ricardo's "Economic Rent" is the
correct analytical tool, meaning that, in the long run, they will
extract from you no less than the total cost of migration away from
Oracle to a new platform**. A dumbass like you may know nothing about
economics, but I assure you: Oracle executives do.

(** Aside: In this way it may be said that free software is a benifit
even to idiots like Volker, since it lowers the theoretical economic
rent, however ignorance of this option among his kind allows Oracle
and co to mostly ignore this for now)
You do not need to, just like if you design a curcuit with a
proprietary conector or a standard one, the former is expensive and
only comes from one comany, the later is cheap and comes from many.
Unless you really need the former, you would always chose the later.
In neither case are you required to manufacture connectors. Just checking... All the databases we are talking support sql, or at least
a reasonable subset of it right? So, by using sql I'm only tying those
parts to the particular db that are special and which I use, right?
Using standard SQL is not a bad start, when possible.

However, issolating your access ruotines to as few places in your code
as possible (wrapper functions) instead of littering proprietry
bindings throughout your code can be a damn good idea too.
So, the only "own investment" is tied to those features because I need them,
right?
No, not just because you 'need' them, but because you 'benifit' from
them, with your data access code abstracted, you can also introduce
other features when desired, because your access code is //isolated//,
and have your entire application benifit.
This might sound unusual for you, but if you use a great library, and
suddenly it has a bug and there's no maintenance, the app is bust.
With a closed source library yes, with an open source one, you have
options.
Now, what are the cases
here:
- I'm poor. So, neither could I pay for the fix, nor for the company. My
product depends on someone richer to pick up the pieces. (the code
or the rights to the code)
Then you are most likely using a popular product, and can download the
patched source for free, since somebody else may likely have the same
problem.
- I'm rich. So, either could I agree to pay more maintenance and keep
the vendor alive, or pay a few percent less (by cutting out the management
level of the vendor) and hire the developers to go on.
The later, only if you have the source.
- I'm a programming genius. then why did I use a library in the first case?
Because it was usefull? Why would a programming genius not use a
usefull library to wich he has source? Do you imagine programming
genius insist on reinventing every wheel just because they can? Such a
developer may be clever, but certainly no genius.

Well, looks like the only credible supporter of mysql is mysql ab.

There are as many as the market will bear, since there is no
artificial thing, like closed source, keeping competition away. Closed source is nothing artificial either, it's the only way to
go before you have payed the original developers.
Closed source is a barrier to competition, therefore market forces are
disturbed. I don't know what the second clause in your statement
means, and I suspect, neither do you.

And right now it works because they all more or less follow redhat.

What? Who follows Red Hat? The Linux distributors.
Really? You mean like Debian, GenToo, Arch-Linux and Slackware? In
what what do these Follow Red Hat? And other than using RPM, in what
way dows SuSE 'follow Red Hat?' Or Conectiva, or Mandrake, or Lindows?
What the hell are you talking about? You are talking out of your ass
as usual.
As an example of a big open source project.
And that postgres windows company does the same, right (following
the main postgres company)?
There is no *MAIN* posgres company, as I said, PostgreSQL Inc, is not
to be confused with PostgreSQL Org, it is but one, of many,
contributers to the project.
Btw, spelled out: I *CAN'T* hire "many companies, large and small"
to support my open source product. For most, none exist, for some,
one exists, tying me down, for very few, some companies support
ports, some simply cash in.
Just because you are an ignorant ass does not mean that none exist,
many exist, why would they not exist? if the open source software in
question is popular, like Postgres and MySQL, then please explain what
market forces you imagine will pervent firms from tapping this market?
posting, and as still unrefuted in anyway by you copious blather. Oh, I did refute it, you just ignored it. And asked me to help you forget
by quoting shorter, right?
Not only are you too ignorant to know that trimming your posts is
simply good usenet style, but apparently, you think that responding is
the same as refuting. In order to 'refute' an argument, you actualy
need to make a logical argument, not merely a fallacious claim.

Here is mine, as syllogisms:

If changing an application is needed, and if changing an application
requires source, then source is needed.

If a production system is dependent on a change in source, and if a
third party has sole possessionion the source, then the production
system is dependent on the third party.

If a production system is dependent on a change in source, and if the
source is available to many parties, then the production system is not
dependent on any one party.

Please educate yourself on the rules of logic before responding with
more fallacious bunk.

And it definitely doesn't make my boss keep a bunch of abandoned code
that we are the sole users of.

First, if the system is widely used the code would not be abandoned, Ditto for a commercial product.
No, the commercial product is not subject to normal market forces
because of the closed source.
second, a closed source product is not less likely to be abandoned
that an open source one, It is. Because someone invested real money in it.
All products and services are invested in, productive capacity, like
machines and factories and software, are products of //investment//.

Without investment, there is no software of anykind, closed or open
source.
third if it is abandoned then you are in
better shape if you do have the code. Sigh... We've been through this. In what way am I in better shape then?
You have source, your application can be supported.
It doesn't make sense to wait for your mysterious entrepeneurs (who, in
any case could also bid for the property of the bust company)
There is nothing mysterious about these entrepeneurs, and there is a
big difference in regards to the entrepeneurs competeing in ONE MARKET
ENCOUNTER for the rights to the property of the bust company, as
aposed to competing with each other AT EVERY MARKET ENCOUNTER for all
opportinuties to provide their services to the user community of the
product.
secondly, without
source, how you will compile it for your new CPU, or new OS, or to
link a security-updated library? Even with the source, if I were to compile mysql to, let's pick
a platform at random, my new cellphone, I'd have to do a bit
more than ./configure&&make install, right?
Good luck runnig Oracle on your cellphone dumbass, when I decide to
replace one of my production database servers with a cellphone, I'll
get back to you.
Funny, that's exactly what I said, many times in this thread. Where? (I mean, before I pushed your nose in it?)
Everywhere, I have never stated that my suggestions do not have
exceptions, not once, and always included qualifiers such as
'Ideally', 'When Possible', etc..

As for 'pushing my nose in it', obviously you are so stupid that you
have mistaken your idiotic pretensions for reality, You have not, nor
are you capable of, rubbing anyone's nose in anything. However your
nose has been rubbed in your ridiculous shit so many times that you're
starting to look like Thomas D. Rice getting ready for a show.
The 'case for code rights' does not disapear, So, what are code rights good for if not for not having to change
the database?
For recompiling the database, obviously, there are numerous reasons
you may want to do this.
but by abstarction,
becomes less important, since abstarction is another layer of
protection. So my code gets clumsy and slow for no reason at all.
If you are a bad coder, your code gets clumsy, issolating your code
can also make your overall aplication less clumsy, and even at times
perform better.

Are you trying to change thread from opensource to abstraction? I am not trying to change 'the thread' -- I posted my recomendations, See the subject line.
The subject line is inherented from the previous poster, who asked a
question about chosing between database platforms, my suggestions
where intended to explain that there are other considerations besides
a direct feature comparison between database that should be
considered, you responding to my suggestions, therefore our thread is
about my suggestions. It's amazing I have to explain this to you. But
in anycase, to make this all a little easier for you, I have now
changed the subject line. Hope this helps.
> However if your application is tied to one database, then the very
> client you are describing is the very client that you will not get if
> they use a different database from yours. We do have such an app here. The result is that it doesn't run well
on *any* database.

As I said, there are bad applications, both abstracted and
unabstracted ones, your argument, is, as usual, a fallacy.

In what way?
Your proposition as a syllogism:

This particilar application is abstracted, this particular application
is bad,
therefore all aplications that are abstracted are bad.

This syllogism is fallacious: a 'Hasty generalization.'
And, if your forced your customer into Larry's arms, they will blame
you, not Larry. Yes, and if oracle isn't willing to fix it I can give oracle a lot more
trouble than mysql because their contracts are more expensive.
Please express logicaly the relationship between the expensiveness ot
the contracts and the amount of trouble you can cause Oracle.

I'm sure that your sexual obsession with Larry Ellison do cause a lot
of trouble to the poor support personel who have to deal with your
heavy breathing.
(I wonder if you even know what a fallacy is, you use so so many of
them) Whatever your secret work experience may be your public english
experience isn't good enough to teach me that language.
My work experience is hardly a secret, or even hard to find out, it is
just /irrelevent//, and arguments based on authority are fallacies.
But out of all your idiotic comments this is my favourite!

You think that by suggesting that you do not know what a fallacy is I
am questioning your grasp of _english_ when any one who *does* know
what a fallacy is would understand that I am questioning your grasp of
_logic_.

Your english, Volker, is quite good, only proving that one can be a
complete moron while speaking perfect english.
For the millionth time, please try to
follow. Cut out this stuff. It makes you sound ridiculous.
No, encouraging you to follow makes me sound humane, like a kindly dog
trainer with an unusualy stupid mutt on his hands, what makes me sound
ridiculous, is that I bother to continue talking to you at all, my
only hope is that the others will ignore this thread of ours and it
can be my guilty secret.
Abstraction is irrelevant to open source because the big thing is the right
to the source code, correct?
No, the 'big thing' is my application, both abstarction and open
source are assets to it. Even closed source can be an asset to it if
it helps do what I want and my customers need it, abstraction in this
case is even more preferable.
Yeah, a 'diversion' I cleverly included in my very first post in this
thread. What's the difference? You didn't start the thread.
Yes I did. You responded to my recomendations, thus a new discussion
was started between you and me, regarding my recomondations, which
become the topic of the new thread. You place to much value in the
subject header, however, to make this clear to you, I have changed the
subject. Please keep your posts relevent to the new topic, your
Apocolocyntosis.
What kind of idiot are you?

How old are you?

Intersting that you draw a relationship between my age and my ability
to identify you as an idiot.

Here are the standard stages:

One Month of Age

- Could focus on an object moving in pendular fashion 6 inches
directly
above his/her face. Respond to a bell by crying, becoming quiet,
or other
reflex.
Two Months of Age

- May smile for no apparent reason. Grasp hands together. Squeal
with
glee.
Three Months of Age

- Could laugh out loud. Squeal in delight. Follow object six
inches over
face for 180 degrees back and forth.
Four Months of Age

- Should, by end of month, be able to identify Volker as an
idiot, and
laugh and point.

See Volker, as you could have concluded, I am at least four months
old.

Regards,
Dmytri.

[Joel Garry]

qu***@syntac.net (Quirk) wrote in message news:<4e*************************@posting.google.c om>...

Disclaimer: Unless you are Volker, or intersted in witnessing a game
of Dozens, there is no need for you to read this thread. Nothin' 'but
trash talk from here on in. I'm fed up with this ass. Reasonable
discusion on the subject continues in the old thread.

So why not newgroup in the alt hierarchy? Hardly good enough for
alt.flame.

Even with the source, if I were to compile mysql to, let's pick
a platform at random, my new cellphone, I'd have to do a bit
more than ./configure&&make install, right?

Good luck runnig Oracle on your cellphone dumbass, when I decide to
replace one of my production database servers with a cellphone, I'll
get back to you.

You seem to be missing that Oracle Application Server comes with the
built-in ability to use small format browser clients (the "wireless"
option). See the mobileXML stuff in
http://portalstudio.oracle.com/pls/o...0G_TECH_WP.PDF
The portal stuff would take years to duplicate in mysql, if it could
be done at all (internally, it's mostly stored procedures from a
generator, very O dependent). It includes a number of tools where it
is built in to easily define how things will look on different display
sizes for each report or form.

jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
AAAAIIIYYYEEEE, NOOOOOOO!
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-5219282.html

[Quirk]

jo********@home.com (Joel Garry) wrote in message news:<91**************************@posting.google. com>...

So why not newgroup in the alt hierarchy? Hardly good enough for
alt.flame.
I'll be the judge of that, thanks.

What's with these pleated pant wearing chimps? Do you want to play
too?

You'll have to forgive Joel, usenet is all he has after he lost his
tongue in a tragic mishap, He's so UGLY, his proctologist stuck his
finger in his mouth instead of his ass and mistook his tongue for a
hemorrhoid.
You seem to be missing that Oracle Application Server comes with the
built-in ability to use small format browser clients (the "wireless"
option).

In your desperation to find a comment to make, you didn't notice he
was talking about COMPILING the server on his cellphone.

Go home dumbass.

*

[Joel Garry]

qu***@syntac.net (Quirk) wrote in message news:<4e*************************@posting.google.c om>...

jo********@home.com (Joel Garry) wrote in message news:<91**************************@posting.google. com>...

So why not newgroup in the alt hierarchy? Hardly good enough for
alt.flame.
I'll be the judge of that, thanks.

What's with these pleated pant wearing chimps? Do you want to play
too?

LOL Bedtime for Quirko!

You'll have to forgive Joel, usenet is all he has after he lost his
tongue in a tragic mishap, He's so UGLY, his proctologist stuck his
finger in his mouth instead of his ass and mistook his tongue for a
hemorrhoid.
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You seem to be missing that Oracle Application Server comes with the
built-in ability to use small format browser clients (the "wireless"
option).
In your desperation to find a comment to make, you didn't notice he
was talking about COMPILING the server on his cellphone.

In your desperation to flame him, you didn't notice that wasn't
exactly what he said.

Go home dumbass.

*

Is this yours? http://www.joebrower.com/PHILE_PILE/...iler_trash.jpg

[Quirk]

What the hell is this Drivel? I can't believe this asswipe still wants
to keep this thread alive.

jo********@home.com (Joel Garry) wrote in message news:<91**************************@posting.google. com>...

LOL Bedtime for Quirko!
Figures from your stupidity you're a fan of Ronald Regean. It's rather
sad that after that tongue mishap of yours you were unable to shout
"where's the rest of me!" you've been waiting your whole life to use
that line.

By the way, Jim Nabors want his underwear back, you sick freak!

You'll have to forgive Joel, usenet is all he has after he lost his
tongue in a tragic mishap, He's so UGLY, his proctologist stuck his
finger in his mouth instead of his ass and mistook his tongue for a
hemorrhoid. She's so ugly, she even has to get her vibrator drunk.

Good Job Joel, you passed lesson 1: cutting and pasting! One day
perhaps you can try thinking for yourself like the rest of us.

But your mom doesn't appreciate you spreading these messages about her
even more widely than your dad did. Don't you think the poor woman has
suffered enough?

You seem to be missing that Oracle Application Server comes with the
built-in ability to use small format browser clients (the "wireless"
option).

In your desperation to find a comment to make, you didn't notice he
was talking about COMPILING the server on his cellphone.

In your desperation to flame him, you didn't notice that wasn't
exactly what he said.

Volker said: "if I were to compile mysql to, let's pick
a platform at random, my new cellphone, I'd have to do a bit
more than ./configure&&make install, right?"

Ask the guy drooling on himself beside you what that means.

[Joel Garry]

qu***@syntac.net (Quirk) wrote in message news:<4e*************************@posting.google.c om>...

What the hell is this Drivel? I can't believe this asswipe still wants
to keep this thread alive.

jo********@home.com (Joel Garry) wrote in message news:<91**************************@posting.google. com>...

LOL Bedtime for Quirko!
Figures from your stupidity you're a fan of Ronald Regean. It's rather
sad that after that tongue mishap of yours you were unable to shout
"where's the rest of me!" you've been waiting your whole life to use
that line.

More of a fan of Al Franken, actually.

By the way, Jim Nabors want his underwear back, you sick freak!
No, that was Bob Crane.

You'll have to forgive Joel, usenet is all he has after he lost his
tongue in a tragic mishap, He's so UGLY, his proctologist stuck his
finger in his mouth instead of his ass and mistook his tongue for a
hemorrhoid.

She's so ugly, she even has to get her vibrator drunk.
Good Job Joel, you passed lesson 1: cutting and pasting! One day
perhaps you can try thinking for yourself like the rest of us.

Admit it, you read them all. (I didn't, 'cause I cut and pasted. But
I didn't see my favorite one, which is 'Quirk is black and blue all
over from being poked with eleven foot poles.' And strangel enough, I
posted that other 11 foot pole joke before I even saw your silly
hemorrhoid post. But now it should be 11 foot piles.)

But your mom doesn't appreciate you spreading these messages about her
even more widely than your dad did. Don't you think the poor woman has
suffered enough?
You seem to be missing that Oracle Application Server comes with the
> built-in ability to use small format browser clients (the "wireless"
> option).

In your desperation to find a comment to make, you didn't notice he
was talking about COMPILING the server on his cellphone.
In your desperation to flame him, you didn't notice that wasn't
exactly what he said.

Volker said: "if I were to compile mysql to, let's pick
a platform at random, my new cellphone, I'd have to do a bit
more than ./configure&&make install, right?"

Ah, here is where you don't understand. What is lost in the world you
desire is the ability to have subsets of software and data distributed
about. Software that scales properly allows both a subset to work on
small format devices and large sets of binary data on large devices.
Hate to tell you this, but it would be very difficult to store, say,
the Ring movies in human readable format. And yet, not much of a
problem to put it in an oracle database, and with new phones coming
out, watch them on the phone. And if you want to argue a movie studio
library is not valuable corporate data that one would want to
distribute electronically, well, there may be a future for you in
stonemasonry.

It's a stretch, but part of the server is on the phone. Not something
I expect to see out of mysql any time soon as something I can just go
out and buy.

Ask the guy drooling on himself beside you what that means.

What does that mean?

jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
"Strange thing about nouns. They are all something. I think it is the
way of
nouns." - hjr

[Quirk]

jo********@home.com (Joel Garry) wrote in message news:<91**************************@posting.google. com>...

More of a fan of Al Franken, actually.
Well, Al will be quite disappointed in you for the Reagen reference,
shouldn't you be trying to help everyone forget that your country
elected a bad actor President? I mean what's next, a pop singer in
congress? A wrestler Governor? Or even, *gasp*, A bodybuilder?

You may think that your inane comments in this thread are just that,
irrelevant nonsense and that only serve to illustrate your lack of
creativity (which everyone is familiar with anyway) but IT'S MUCH
WORSE THAN THAT.

When you make Reagen references, you fuel the Voodoo of the
Transdimensional Luciferian Lizard conspiracy and help them advance
their evil plot.

It is your fault Joel.

Repent.

(BTW, I am exempt from this because I was given a special crystal by
Genene Garofalo)

By the way, Jim Nabors want his underwear back, you sick freak!

No, that was Bob Crane.

Just because Bob was your inspiration does not mean you can blame him
for your disgusting acts. Not Bob, Not Jody, Not even Helter Stupid.

> You'll have to forgive Joel, usenet is all he has after he lost his
> tongue in a tragic mishap, He's so UGLY, his proctologist stuck his
> finger in his mouth instead of his ass and mistook his tongue for a
> hemorrhoid. She's so ugly, she even has to get her vibrator drunk.

Good Job Joel, you passed lesson 1: cutting and pasting! One day
perhaps you can try thinking for yourself like the rest of us. Admit it, you read them all.
Yeah, when your dad first wrote them twenty years ago. As I said, let
your mom suffer in private. The topic here is how ugly _you_ are. And
quite frankly, while I agree those quotes you posted are quite
accurate, your mom is ugly, standing beside you she at least sort of
looks human. You look like Telly Savalas would have if he had severe
Elephantitis and colony of plague carrying rats made their home in his
nose. Only fatter.
(I didn't, 'cause I cut and pasted. But
I didn't see my favorite one, which is 'Quirk is black and blue all
over from being poked with eleven foot poles.' And strangel enough, I
posted that other 11 foot pole joke before I even saw your silly
hemorrhoid post. But now it should be 11 foot piles.)
What the hell are you blathering about? Do you actually think any of
that is funny? Or even coherent? I'm glad you are proud of posting
jokes so stupid that you don't even read them yourself. What a great
contribution!

In your desperation to flame him, you didn't notice that wasn't
exactly what he said.

Volker said: "if I were to compile mysql to, let's pick
a platform at random, my new cellphone, I'd have to do a bit
more than ./configure&&make install, right?"

Ah, here is where you don't understand. What is lost in the world you
desire is the ability to have subsets of software and data distributed
about.

First of all this is completely irrelevant. We where talking about the
value of source code in recompiling your application for a new server
with a new CPU or a new OS. Your whole talk of subsets is irrelevant
and is not what Volker was talking about, despite your desperation for
a comment to make.

Second of all, what on earth do you mean by "the world I desire?"
Nothing in my suggestions prevents modularity or distribution, if
anything it actually encourages it.
Hate to tell you this, but it would be very difficult to store, say,
the Ring movies in human readable format.
Hate to tell you this, but I never suggested you should. This is just
yet another fallacious argument, I only claimed that it is
//sometimes// usefull to have a human readable format, not always. I
never said any of my suggestions applied in every case, only that they
where _good_ suggestions. In order to dispute them, you have to
explain why they are _bad_ suggestions, not just chose random examples
where they may not apply. But alas, expecting logic from the likes of
you and Volker seems to be unrealistic.

Anyway, on the off chance that somebody is actually interested; In the
case of something like video, while proprietary codecs may be usefull
for delivery in some cases, I would recommend a reasonably open
archive/master format though, like MPEG (VP3? Theora?). That would be
the be the equivalent of the 'Human Readable' part.

And I would still go with the self-contained, self-describing part of
suggestion, not keep my archives/masters exclusively in some
incomprehensible filesystem blob that is only readable by a third
party deamon to which I have no source code. That is if this data has
a long life span or must be shared externally.

But here I am talking seriously again, when I know perfectly well that
all the likes of you and Volker are here to do is talk crap, sorry,
I'll try harder to stay on topic: You're so stupid your house burned
down because you wanted to call 911, but you couldn't find your
phone's '11' button.
And if you want to argue a movie studio
library is not valuable corporate data that one would want to
distribute electronically, well, there may be a future for you in
stonemasonry.

That's right assclown, stick with making up arguments yourself, you
only make a fool of yourself when you try to dispute real arguments
made by others.

It's cute of you to worry about my future though. Since you are so
concerned, you can help me out: stop driving, stop eating industrial
meat, and encourage your fellow citizens to learn enough about history
and politics to make your country less dangerous to the rest of the
world. Thanks. My future will be far more secure with your help.