Writing to files that are not public

[Efi Merdler]

Hi,
I'm running a script that reads and writes to a file.
The problem is that in order to read and write to this file I need to
set the public permission to read and write.

As understand the reason is that the script is running with apache
id,however the file (which I uploaded using an FTP) has a different
group and user id.

First of all am I right? is this reason, is there a way to solve this
problem (I do not have a ssh connection to my server, so I can't
change the id).

Thanks,
Efi

[Mike Russell]

"Efi Merdler" <fo****@gmail.comwrote in message
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Hi,
I'm running a script that reads and writes to a file.
The problem is that in order to read and write to this file I need to
set the public permission to read and write.

As understand the reason is that the script is running with apache
id,however the file (which I uploaded using an FTP) has a different
group and user id.

First of all am I right? is this reason, is there a way to solve this
problem (I do not have a ssh connection to my server, so I can't
change the id).

Use FTP to turn on all permissions for the file, or create the file in php.

It seems to me that you should consider whether a database may be a cleaner
solution than a file. In addition to the permissions issue you've already
discovered, there is locking. Have you considered what happens when two
sessions need to access the file at the same time? These sorts of issues
are already dealt with if you use a database.

BTW - you may want to post this to alt.php for more answers, as this is not
really a php language issue.
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

[Efi Merdler]

Mike Russell wrote:

It seems to me that you should consider whether a database may be a cleaner
solution than a file. In addition to the permissions issue you've already
discovered, there is locking. Have you considered what happens when two
sessions need to access the file at the same time? These sorts of issues
are already dealt with if you use a database.

--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Thanks, I considered it, I'm using flock, the reason I'm not using a
db because all I needed was a really simple access procedure, however
I do agree that next time I'll use a db, now I just do not have the
time to change my script.

Thanks again,
Efi

[Mike Russell]

"Efi Merdler" <fo****@gmail.comwrote in message
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>
Mike Russell wrote:

>It seems to me that you should consider whether a database may be a
cleaner
solution than a file. In addition to the permissions issue you've
already
discovered, there is locking. Have you considered what happens when two
sessions need to access the file at the same time? These sorts of issues
are already dealt with if you use a database.

>--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Thanks, I considered it, I'm using flock, the reason I'm not using a
db because all I needed was a really simple access procedure, however
I do agree that next time I'll use a db, now I just do not have the
time to change my script.

Write a php script that creates the file, and primes it with whatever data
is needed.

Or install PHP Shell Terminal - in an access protected folder! - and create
the file from there:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpterm/
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

[Efi Merdler]

Mike Russell wrote:

"Efi Merdler" <fo****@gmail.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@c51g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...

Mike Russell wrote:

It seems to me that you should consider whether a database may be a
cleaner
solution than a file. In addition to the permissions issue you've
already
discovered, there is locking. Have you considered what happens when two
sessions need to access the file at the same time? These sorts of issues
are already dealt with if you use a database.

--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Thanks, I considered it, I'm using flock, the reason I'm not using a
db because all I needed was a really simple access procedure, however
I do agree that next time I'll use a db, now I just do not have the
time to change my script.

Write a php script that creates the file, and primes it with whatever data
is needed.

Or install PHP Shell Terminal - in an access protected folder! - and create
the file from there:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/phpterm/
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Thanks, unfortunately php is running in safe mode.
I guess I'll use a script to create this file.

Efi

[Efi Merdler]

Mike Russell כתב:

>
Write a php script that creates the file, and primes it with whatever data
is needed.
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Hi
Unfortunately when trying to change mode I receive the following
error :
Warning: chmod() has been disabled for security reasons

The security is just too tight I can't do anything :-)

What do you think ?

I want my file to be accessible for read and write from php and not to
the outside world.

Efi

[Mike Russell]

"Efi Merdler" <fo****@gmail.comwrote in message
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Mike Russell ???:

>
Write a php script that creates the file, and primes it with whatever data
is needed.
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/

Hi
Unfortunately when trying to change mode I receive the following
error :
Warning: chmod() has been disabled for security reasons

Your php is in safe mode. You apparently cannot change the mode of a file
created by another account, in this case your FTP account.

The security is just too tight I can't do anything :-)
What do you think ?

It is very likely still possible to create files in a particular folder and
read and write to them, however

I want my file to be accessible for read and write from php and not to
the outside world.

Delete the file you created using ftp, then create the file in php and then
see if you have permission to read and write it. No chmod should be needed,
since the file will already belong to the host's php account.

If that doesn't work. it's time to use a database. If there's no database,
IMHO you are out of luck, and will have to ask the administrators of your
php host for suggestions, and change your hosting arrangement if they cannot
give you a good answer. Perhaps someone else will chime in with some ideas.
--
Mike Russell
www.curvemeister.com/forum/