What is current status of frameworks? Which to choose?

[Marek Zawadzki]

Hi all,

In your opinion: what is current status of frameworks for PHP and which
one would you choose?

I am looking for an all-purpose, MVC-based framework I could learn and
use for all the applications I'll be working on in the future.
Something that is currently stable and documented enough to be used in a
commercial world (but it doesn't have to drive space shuttles yet;-)),
and has no limitations whatsoever on the view (presentation) side.
Templates support would be nice I think, although I've been never using
"real" templates with links to functions.

I was looking at Zend, CakePHP, Symfony and Seagull. Do you think any of
them (Zend?) has a chance to become a standard for PHP?

Thanks,

-marek

[warrenchua]

i've used CakePHP. it has very poor documentation. although you can be
assured that you can use it for small upto large projects. and its file
structures are well organized. like RoR and Symfony, it has its version
of compiling scripts through the use of "bake"

symfony is too big already. too many features that youre not gonna need
anyway. its well documented though.

check out these links for more MVC:
http://www.h3rald.com/articles/view/...php-frameworks
http://www.mustap.com/phpzone_post_7...mvc-frameworks
http://planetmvc.org/

hope that helps

Marek Zawadzki wrote:

Hi all,

In your opinion: what is current status of frameworks for PHP and which
one would you choose?

I am looking for an all-purpose, MVC-based framework I could learn and
use for all the applications I'll be working on in the future.
Something that is currently stable and documented enough to be used in a
commercial world (but it doesn't have to drive space shuttles yet;-)),
and has no limitations whatsoever on the view (presentation) side.
Templates support would be nice I think, although I've been never using
"real" templates with links to functions.

I was looking at Zend, CakePHP, Symfony and Seagull. Do you think any of
them (Zend?) has a chance to become a standard for PHP?

Thanks,

-marek

[Marek Zawadzki]

Thanks for the links - these are good articles.
How about most current Zend version, did it get any better over the summer?

Any other opinions, maybe some real life experiences with frameworks?

-marek

[bryan]

PHP started out as templating engine. Why would you want to use a
framewore? that's like creating an abstraction layer for a PHP
abstraction layer... too redundant.

[Tony Marston]

"bryan" <te******@gmail.comwrote in message
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PHP started out as templating engine. Why would you want to use a
framewore? that's like creating an abstraction layer for a PHP
abstraction layer... too redundant.

A templating engine is not the same as a framework. Every application that
consists of a large number of components needs a framework so that
components can be created as individual units, then plugged into the
framework so these individual units can work together as a whole.

At the very least a framework contains a basic menu system which informs the
user what options are available and allows him to choose one. Nobody (with
any sense that is) will include this common menu code into every
application module. The next step is to add security into the framework so
that individual users can only choose options for which they have
permission. Again this code goes once into the framework and not into every
individual module.

The idea that everyone should be forced to use the same framework is utter
nonsense. There is, and never will be, a single framework in any language
that will be all things to all men. Just as there are different languages
for different purposes there are different frameworks for different
purposes.

--
Tony Marston
http://www.tonymarston.net
http://www.radicore.org

[Henk Verhoeven]

Hi Marek,

phpPeanuts has been used in a commercial environment for serveral years.
There's a lot of documentation on the website. UI customization
essentially works through subclassing and overriding methods, so you can
build whatever you can (and have time to) program in php. But maybe it's
too stable to get much attention (releases are currently down to about
once a year).

Greetings,

Henk Verhoeven,
www.phpPeanuts.org.

Marek Zawadzki wrote:

Hi all,

In your opinion: what is current status of frameworks for PHP and which
one would you choose?

I am looking for an all-purpose, MVC-based framework I could learn and
use for all the applications I'll be working on in the future.
Something that is currently stable and documented enough to be used in a
commercial world (but it doesn't have to drive space shuttles yet;-)),
and has no limitations whatsoever on the view (presentation) side.
Templates support would be nice I think, although I've been never using
"real" templates with links to functions.

I was looking at Zend, CakePHP, Symfony and Seagull. Do you think any of
them (Zend?) has a chance to become a standard for PHP?

Thanks,

-marek

[Peter Boosten]

Marek Zawadzki <mz******@man.poznan.plwrote:

Hi all,

In your opinion: what is current status of frameworks for PHP and which
one would you choose?

Interesting discussion - I've just started to learn CakePHP.

I've written an online survey in plain PHP (to be used in near future) which
pulls its questions from MySQL and puts the answers (after presented via a
form) back into a table.

It's getting complicated: the questions belong to a certain category, which
belong to a certain survey (so I can have more surveys in the database with
their questions). Each category has one 'answer type' (possible answers to
one question).

So far I 'baked' this data model in Cake.

What I was wondering: can Cake do what I want? Is it possible to create
a controller pulling all that data from my database (from 5 different tables)
and put the output of the form in a sixth table?

TIA.

Peter

--
http://www.boosten.org

Mail: peter at boosten dot org

[ninja]

Marek Zawadzki wrote:

Hi all,

In your opinion: what is current status of frameworks for PHP and which
one would you choose?

I am looking for an all-purpose, MVC-based framework I could learn and
use for all the applications I'll be working on in the future.
Something that is currently stable and documented enough to be used in a
commercial world (but it doesn't have to drive space shuttles yet;-)),
and has no limitations whatsoever on the view (presentation) side.
Templates support would be nice I think, although I've been never using
"real" templates with links to functions.

I was looking at Zend, CakePHP, Symfony and Seagull. Do you think any of
them (Zend?) has a chance to become a standard for PHP?

Thanks,

-marek

Personally, I find Code Igniter (http://codeigniter.com) to be the best
one around. It does what needs to be done (as in, makes my life
easier), and then moves out of the way. I like the way it doesn't
impose me ways to do things, but rather just does the dirty work for
me. It can also be used with templating engines, but I prefer php view
templates with it. Also, the documentation is very good, and there is a
large community with a wiki (http://www.codeigniter.com/wiki) and a
forum (http://www.codeigniter.com/forums).

CakePHP and Zend also seem cool enough, but they either lack
documentation (Cake), or are PHP5 only (Zend). I took only a brief look
at Symphony and Seagull but I didn't like either - they seem too
bloated and/or complicated for my personal preference.

If there will ever be a PHP 'standard' framework (like RoR is for
Ruby), Zend has the most chances of becomig one, for the obvious
reasons. However, it is still in relatively early development (I
believe you can download v0.1.5 Preview), and it is based around PHP5,
which is still relatively rare. I don't think there will be a
"standard" PHP framework anytime soon - and I believe it is a good
thing.

Just an opinion.

Vladislav