473,327 Members | 2,118 Online
Bytes | Software Development & Data Engineering Community
Post Job

Home Posts Topics Members FAQ

Join Bytes to post your question to a community of 473,327 software developers and data experts.

PHP5 considered Beta

Hi,

I've recently contacted technical service of a web hosting company and
asked them wheter or not they're gonna upgrade to PHP5 and MySQL5.
Here's a quote from their response which confused me a little:

"As php5 and mysql5 are still beta versions we don't install beta
versions on production servers due to secure reasons, we install only
current working versions on production servers"
As far as I know two products are far away from being Beta releases?
Is there any thruth in what they talk about?

Thanks...
Mar 8 '06 #1
5 2123
"Aziz" <no*****@spamco.com> wrote in message
news:47************@individual.net...
Hi,

I've recently contacted technical service of a web hosting company and
asked them wheter or not they're gonna upgrade to PHP5 and MySQL5. Here's
a quote from their response which confused me a little:

"As php5 and mysql5 are still beta versions we don't install beta versions
on production servers due to secure reasons, we install only current
working versions on production servers"
As far as I know two products are far away from being Beta releases?
Is there any thruth in what they talk about?

They don't know what they are talking about. PHP 5 is far from beta. The
last PHP 5.0.0 Beta X was released early 2004, and the final php 5.0.0 was
released in July 2004, see http://fi2.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php . So PHP 5 has
been in final status for more than a year now, almost two years. Tell those
people to get their heads out of their asses and shove a beta version
there... The current and working version of php 5 is 5.1.2.

--
"En ole paha ihminen, mutta omenat ovat elinkeinoni." -Perttu Sirviö
sp**@outolempi.net | Gedoon-S @ IRCnet | rot13(xv***@bhgbyrzcv.arg)
Mar 8 '06 #2
"Kimmo Laine" <sp**@outolempi.net> wrote:
"Aziz" <no*****@spamco.com> wrote:

I've recently contacted technical service of a web hosting company and
asked them wheter or not they're gonna upgrade to PHP5 and MySQL5. Here's
a quote from their response which confused me a little:

"As php5 and mysql5 are still beta versions we don't install beta versions
on production servers due to secure reasons, we install only current
working versions on production servers"

As far as I know two products are far away from being Beta releases?
Is there any thruth in what they talk about?


They don't know what they are talking about. PHP 5 is far from beta. The
last PHP 5.0.0 Beta X was released early 2004, and the final php 5.0.0 was
released in July 2004, see http://fi2.php.net/ChangeLog-5.php . So PHP 5 has
been in final status for more than a year now, almost two years. Tell those
people to get their heads out of their asses and shove a beta version
there... The current and working version of php 5 is 5.1.2.


The same thing is true of MySQL, although it is more recent. The
production release of MySQL 5 was in October, 2005.
--
- Tim Roberts, ti**@probo.com
Providenza & Boekelheide, Inc.
Mar 9 '06 #3
Aziz <no*****@spamco.com> writes:
I've recently contacted technical service of a web hosting company and
asked them wheter or not they're gonna upgrade to PHP5 and
MySQL5. Here's a quote from their response which confused me a little:

"As php5 and mysql5 are still beta versions we don't install beta
versions on production servers due to secure reasons, we install only
current working versions on production servers"


Well, I happen to work in tech support at a web
hosting company. Given a large installed base (and many webmasters
who don't really know how their sites work), we are careful on upgrades.
We are now offering MySQL 5 on a test basis to our customers (and if
you want to pass this on to your current provider -- if they are
running MySQL 4.1.x right now -- the upgrade is pretty painless. We
were suprised).

Regarding PHP 5, that is a different story. While I don't
agree with their 'beta' reason. I can tell you from experience when
we were doing some testing that we had some problems with backward
compatability on things like WordPress,UBB, and PHPBB. We had to pull
back to 4.x

If there are PHP developers out there, probably our
greatest frustration is the inability to run both PHP 5 & 4 as
modules on the same server (there are cgi workarounds, but not
very good). I recall when PHP 4 came out, we were able to run
old PHP 3 and PHP 4 as modules on the same Apache. It made it
MUCH easier to rollout, we told people to just change files extenstions
to .php4 to pickup the new version. Eventually, we dropped support
for PHP 3, by first changing the default handling for .php extensions
and requiring them to use .php3, and then removed entirely.

Don't know what was done with 5, but they can't coexist.
I'm still not sure if the was suppose to be a 'bug' or a 'feature'.
I can certainly say it has probably slowed rollout of 5 by shared
hosting providers for the reasons I just outlined.

I'd hope to hear a developers side of the story, and
can module 'coexistence' still be added?

--
John
__________________________________________________ _________________
John Murtari Software Workshop Inc.
jmurtari@following domain 315.635-1968(x-211) "TheBook.Com" (TM)
http://thebook.com/
Mar 9 '06 #4
El Thu, 09 Mar 2006 14:14:31 -0500
John escribió:
Regarding PHP 5, that is a different story. While I don't
agree with their 'beta' reason. I can tell you from experience when
we were doing some testing that we had some problems with backward
compatability on things like WordPress,UBB, and PHPBB. We had to pull
back to 4.x
actually, I think they didn't intend to say that php5 is beta, but
rather that it's still too new to install on their server(it sounds
as the email is from a non-native english speaker). it's the same
reasoning behind still having apache1 on a server.
[...]
Don't know what was done with 5, but they can't coexist.
I'm still not sure if the was suppose to be a 'bug' or a 'feature'.
I can certainly say it has probably slowed rollout of 5 by shared
hosting providers for the reasons I just outlined.
yes, I agree completely with you on that, upgrading to php5 is right
now a big pain, and it's not worth the risk. even simple programs can
have different behaviours on different php versions, so upgrading
everything to php5 is not a solution.

the only real solution I've found so far would be to have one server
with php4 and another with php5(I'm talking of different physical
machines), and just get your customers on one or another depending on
their php version, but it's a solution that's overkill(at least for me),
and, in my particular case, no one has asked for php5 support, and
probably more than 20 people would have to ask for it to justify the
cost of another server.
I'd hope to hear a developers side of the story, and
can module 'coexistence' still be added?


that would be cool

--
Juan José Gutiérrez de Quevedo
Director Técnico (ju****@iteisa.com)
ITEISA (http://www.iteisa.com)
942544036 - 637447953
Mar 9 '06 #5
John Murtari wrote:
I'd hope to hear a developers side of the story, and
can module 'coexistence' still be added?


Personally, I'm sick of the unstable PHP5 "flap." Sure--some programs
will not work correctly. But, who's fault is that? The developers of
the programs (the ones you mentioned are not great achievements, IMO).

The developers of these programs keep designing for PHP4 because they
know that hosts will not support it. This causes the hosts not to
support it because most of the software is written in PHP4. It is a
vicious circle that has to stop.

PHP5 offers many features that I simply cannot live without. Once you
use PHP5's magic methods and excellent XML support, PHP4 becomes
obsolete. There's no going back--I see the real world of PHP, and going
back to PHP4 is living the cave.

Today, I do not write code in PHP4 any more, and when I respond to
questions, I always respond in PHP5. Why should we use old and
out-dated software, when we have a free upgrade to the future?

I have stopped signing up for hosts that do not support PHP4. It has
been two years since the release of PHP5, and now talks are going on
about PHP6. Should I be held back by PHP4? No! The future is in PHP5,
and once PHP4 is no longer officially supported, what will hosts do? I
suggest that all fellow PHP programmers do the same--PHP5 will save you
time and money, and you'll be helping a good cause.

Sorry for my semi-rant, but I'm just tired of it. I write code in PHP5,
but yet I still publish on PHP4.

Carl

--
Carl Vondrick
www.carlsoft.net
usenet [at] carlsoft [dot] net
Mar 10 '06 #6

This thread has been closed and replies have been disabled. Please start a new discussion.

Similar topics

7
by: Christoph Nothdurfter | last post by:
Hallo! I was wondering if my PHP4-Scripts will run under PHP5 (Haeven't tried the beta yet). Does anybody know? Thank you, -Christoph
6
by: Spidah | last post by:
Looking at the list of changes made in PHP5 one of them is "Removed the bundled MySQL client library" Does anyone know exactly what this means? I assume we will still be able to code for...
5
by: gf | last post by:
I had a client recently contact me with a script that wasn't working. I quickly isolated the problem as to the fact that the $_GET array was not being made available to all scripts, even though...
0
by: Andrew Crowe | last post by:
Hi guys, As PHP5 is on its final beta, we decided to start writing a web application in it to take advantage of the much better object support it offered. We're running the...
2
by: Rob Ristroph | last post by:
Has anyone built the PHP5 beta 4 as an apache module ? I am using apache 2. Is there some trick, or missing instructions, or known bug ? Perhaps you have to use some version of apache earlier...
8
by: Rob Ristroph | last post by:
I have tried out PHP 5 for the first time (with assistance from this group -- thanks!). The people I was working with have a site that uses lots of php objects. They are having problems with...
0
by: Ira Baxter | last post by:
Semantic Designs is completing PHP5 source code formatters and obfuscators. We are interested in finding Beta customers to test these out. Requirements: You must be using PHP5! Contact...
2
by: Zurab Davitiani | last post by:
Hello group(s), I just released the new beta version of ActiveLink PHP XML Package that works in both PHP4 and PHP5. The package is not dependent on any other XML extensions or libraries and is...
12
by: Sarah Tanembaum | last post by:
Though I installed MySQL5 and PHP5, how come my phpinfo() shows as follow: MySQL Support enabled Active Persistent Links 0 Active Links 0 Client API version 3.23.57 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ...
0
by: DolphinDB | last post by:
Tired of spending countless mintues downsampling your data? Look no further! In this article, you’ll learn how to efficiently downsample 6.48 billion high-frequency records to 61 million...
0
by: ryjfgjl | last post by:
ExcelToDatabase: batch import excel into database automatically...
0
by: jfyes | last post by:
As a hardware engineer, after seeing that CEIWEI recently released a new tool for Modbus RTU Over TCP/UDP filtering and monitoring, I actively went to its official website to take a look. It turned...
0
by: ArrayDB | last post by:
The error message I've encountered is; ERROR:root:Error generating model response: exception: access violation writing 0x0000000000005140, which seems to be indicative of an access violation...
1
by: PapaRatzi | last post by:
Hello, I am teaching myself MS Access forms design and Visual Basic. I've created a table to capture a list of Top 30 singles and forms to capture new entries. The final step is a form (unbound)...
1
by: CloudSolutions | last post by:
Introduction: For many beginners and individual users, requiring a credit card and email registration may pose a barrier when starting to use cloud servers. However, some cloud server providers now...
1
by: Defcon1945 | last post by:
I'm trying to learn Python using Pycharm but import shutil doesn't work
1
by: Shællîpôpï 09 | last post by:
If u are using a keypad phone, how do u turn on JavaScript, to access features like WhatsApp, Facebook, Instagram....
0
by: af34tf | last post by:
Hi Guys, I have a domain whose name is BytesLimited.com, and I want to sell it. Does anyone know about platforms that allow me to list my domain in auction for free. Thank you

By using Bytes.com and it's services, you agree to our Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.

To disable or enable advertisements and analytics tracking please visit the manage ads & tracking page.