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[Bart]

What is the best tool to develop a php-website ? I used Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX and Zend Studio.
Are there better tools ?

Bart

[Inge Vabekk]

Bart wrote:

What is the best tool to develop a php-website ? I used Macromedia Dreamweaver MX and Zend Studio.
Are there better tools ?

I use NoteTab Light.
www.notetab.com.

The heavy "developing tools" are for those who want easy solutions
and don't care about results.
Have you ever tried debugging a web page made with those tools?
(Although they are better than FrontPage, they often don't display
what your browser would display....)
Have you compared websites overloaded with excessive coding, with
simple, straightforward pages written with a text editor and
common sense?
You'd never use those heavy tools again.

Oh, NoteTab Light is free. Upgrade and you get a more
sophisticated version. I tried it, but the free version is just
fine. There are editors that are even better than NoteTab for html
and php, with color enhancement, tag checking etc.. What you like
is what you're getting used to. Guess someone will tell you about
them.

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inge

[s a n j a y]

Beauty of a tool lies in the eyes of beholder. I use Dreamweaver MX and Edit
Plus.

sanjay

"Bart" <ye*******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What is the best tool to develop a php-website ? I used Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX and Zend Studio.
Are there better tools ?

Bart

[Ivo]

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Beauty of a tool lies in the eyes of beholder. I use Dreamweaver MX and Edit Plus.

sanjay

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What is the best tool to develop a php-website ? I used Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX and Zend Studio.
Are there better tools ?

Bart

Sorry, you got about he worst. Notepad or a textarea in a self-programmed
browser based editor. The less bells and whistles, the better code you 'll
learn, which in the long run is much more important than all the websites
that you build along the way.
Ivo

[Bart]

> Sorry, you got about he worst. Notepad or a textarea in a self-programmed

browser based editor. The less bells and whistles, the better code you 'll
learn, which in the long run is much more important than all the websites
that you build along the way.
Ivo

No way that I'm going to use notepad or something like that. I know how to
code. I studied 4 years in high-school for that stuff.
You're right about all the bells and stuff, but still, people want to work
efficiently, so in that case i still prefer tools like dreamweaver or so.

For example : you want to make a page : in notepad it takes for sure 3 times
more time than in dreamweaver (or something like that)

Bart

[Pedro]

Bart wrote:

For example : you want to make a page : in notepad it takes for sure 3 times
more time than in dreamweaver (or something like that)

Try this challenge:

You take a site made with dreamweaver by someone else (anybody).
I take a similar site made with Notepad by someone else (anybody).

Now on both sites we change the DataBase.
For instance, replacing the column "FullName" with the two columns
"FirstName" and "LastName".

The challenge is to put it working again!

I will work with Notepad,
You can work with *ANYTHING*.

Any bets?
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[Geoff Berrow]

I noticed that Message-ID: <bl************@ID-203069.news.uni-berlin.de>
from Pedro contained the following:

Now on both sites we change the DataBase.
For instance, replacing the column "FullName" with the two columns
"FirstName" and "LastName".

The challenge is to put it working again!

Take an existing table of twenty rows and insert a column...

It's fairly easy to contrive examples where one might be better than the
other but you forget that Dreamweaver has a perfectly functional text
editor built in. I've not tried MX but if it has syntax highlighting
for PHP then so much the better.

It's got the ftp facility to put files to the server for checking, and
site management tools so that if you move or rename a file links are
updated automatically. Plus you can store chunks of code as library
items and if you change them they will be updated site wide.

Granted I seem to spend more and more of my time in code view these days
but it's just a tool and people should use whatever they feel
comfortable with to get the job done.


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[Ivo]

"Bart" <ye*******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sorry, you got about he worst. Notepad or a textarea in a self-programmed browser based editor. The less bells and whistles, the better code you 'll learn, which in the long run is much more important than all the websites that you build along the way.
Ivo
No way that I'm going to use notepad or something like that. I know how to
code. I studied 4 years in high-school for that stuff.
You're right about all the bells and stuff, but still, people want to work
efficiently, so in that case i still prefer tools like dreamweaver or so.

For example : you want to make a page : in notepad it takes for sure 3

times more time than in dreamweaver (or something like that)

Bart

Interesting. When I left highschool, HTML didn't exist.
It really depends on style. I 've never liked the size and look of the
buttons in most of those editor programs to begin with.
I have a couple of templates that run around my clipboard, bookmarklets to
perform common tasks, regex's on HTML strings and such, and a good knowledge
of OS and selfmade shortcut keys. Developing that environment is
time-consuming I confess, and it is not portable at all (sorry), but very
instructive and addictively entertaining.
Perhaps another important factor is whether you 're doing it
professionally...
I

[RG]

"Geoff Berrow" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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I noticed that Message-ID: <bl************@ID-203069.news.uni-berlin.de>
from Pedro contained the following:

Now on both sites we change the DataBase.
For instance, replacing the column "FullName" with the two columns
"FirstName" and "LastName".

The challenge is to put it working again!

Take an existing table of twenty rows and insert a column...

It's fairly easy to contrive examples where one might be better than the
other but you forget that Dreamweaver has a perfectly functional text
editor built in. I've not tried MX but if it has syntax highlighting
for PHP then so much the better.

It's got the ftp facility to put files to the server for checking, and
site management tools so that if you move or rename a file links are
updated automatically. Plus you can store chunks of code as library
items and if you change them they will be updated site wide.

Granted I seem to spend more and more of my time in code view these days
but it's just a tool and people should use whatever they feel
comfortable with to get the job done.

I agree Geoff, I use DW4 for coding PHP. I like the way you switch views and
manage sites with the built in FTP.
Code view is best, but when building a site with php code embeded, a normal
text editor is no good.
DW is by far the quickest tool for knocking out full websites which you can
see as you code.

RG

[Treefrog]

"Bart" <ye*******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Sorry, you got about he worst. Notepad or a textarea in a self-programmed browser based editor. The less bells and whistles, the better code you 'll learn, which in the long run is much more important than all the websites that you build along the way.
Ivo
No way that I'm going to use notepad or something like that. I know how to
code. I studied 4 years in high-school for that stuff.
You're right about all the bells and stuff, but still, people want to work
efficiently, so in that case i still prefer tools like dreamweaver or so.

For example : you want to make a page : in notepad it takes for sure 3

times more time than in dreamweaver (or something like that)

Bart

I have used Edit Plus for over 3 years, I've tried many other programs in
that time but all the bloatware just slows me down.

In my opinion, the only thing you need for fast, efficient coding is syntax
highlighting. Ok, auto complete might be nice, it would save me having to
look on php.net everytime I forget a functions argument syntax ;o)

BTW - I often use VB6 and recently .net studio so I'm more than familiar
with the benefits of IDE's. But, from my experience PHP development is
easier without one.

[Tommy Gildseth]

Den Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:07:50 +0200, skribla Ivo:

"Bart" <ye*******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What is the best tool to develop a php-website ? I used Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX and Zend Studio.
Are there better tools ?

Sorry, you got about he worst. Notepad or a textarea in a self-programmed
browser based editor. The less bells and whistles, the better code you 'll
learn, which in the long run is much more important than all the websites
that you build along the way.
Ivo

Do you even know what Zend Studio is? In what way is that not suitable for
programming PHP?

Tommy

[Ivo]

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Den Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:07:50 +0200, skribla Ivo:

"Bart" <ye*******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dn*********************@phobos.telenet-ops.be...

What is the best tool to develop a php-website ? I used Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX and Zend Studio.
Are there better tools ?

Sorry, you got about he worst. Notepad or a textarea in a self-programmed browser based editor. The less bells and whistles, the better code you 'll learn, which in the long run is much more important than all the websites that you build along the way.
Ivo

Do you even know what Zend Studio is? In what way is that not suitable for
programming PHP?

Tommy

That 's one of those programs that cost money, right?

[RP]

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"Bart" <ye*******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:kx*********************@phobos.telenet-ops.be...

Sorry, you got about he worst. Notepad or a textarea in a self-programmed browser based editor. The less bells and whistles, the better code you 'll learn, which in the long run is much more important than all the websites that you build along the way.
Ivo
No way that I'm going to use notepad or something like that. I know how to code. I studied 4 years in high-school for that stuff.
You're right about all the bells and stuff, but still, people want to work efficiently, so in that case i still prefer tools like dreamweaver or so.
For example : you want to make a page : in notepad it takes for sure 3

times

more time than in dreamweaver (or something like that)

Bart

I have used Edit Plus for over 3 years, I've tried many other programs in
that time but all the bloatware just slows me down.

In my opinion, the only thing you need for fast, efficient coding is

syntax highlighting. Ok, auto complete might be nice, it would save me having to
look on php.net everytime I forget a functions argument syntax ;o)

BTW - I often use VB6 and recently .net studio so I'm more than familiar
with the benefits of IDE's. But, from my experience PHP development is
easier without one.

And if you would invest some time, Editplus could also feature
autocompletion.....

I also use it (for several years now), it's extremely handy, and definitely
made by people who know the business. And not only for PHP. I had to use
notepad for another scripting language, and spent several hours debugging
sourcecode-lines that eventually turned out to be 'commented out'. Long live
syntax and comment highlighting!
In the past I've tried 'phpedit' from Nusphere, a bit to heavy for me.
Recently I downloaded Zend Studio 3 beta, and use it now and then for
debugging, but it doesn't fully satisfy me.

So Editplus it is. Download a php.chm, and add it to your user-tools, and it
really works perfect! (along with a html.hlp, a validator and css.chm :o).

Should you decide to use Editplus, take time to wander through the menu's!!!

RP

[Alf Henrik Haugnes Sauge]

Ivo wrote:

"Tommy Gildseth" <gi******@foto.no> wrote in message
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Den Fri, 03 Oct 2003 00:07:50 +0200, skribla Ivo:

"Bart" <ye*******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:dn*********************@phobos.telenet-ops.be...
What is the best tool to develop a php-website ? I used Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX and Zend Studio.
Are there better tools ?

Sorry, you got about he worst. Notepad or a textarea in a
self-programmed browser based editor. The less bells and whistles,
the better code you 'll learn, which in the long run is much more
important than all the websites that you build along the way.
Ivo

Do you even know what Zend Studio is? In what way is that not
suitable for programming PHP?

Tommy

That 's one of those programs that cost money, right?

Yes indeed, provided that you don't download it illegal, but actually buy
it.
Zend Studio without support and upgrades costs $195, with it it's $249.

[Frank Josten]

On Thu, 02 Oct 2003 17:37:13 GMT, Bart <ye*******@hotmail.com> wrote:

What is the best tool to develop a php-website ? I used Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX and Zend Studio.
Are there better tools ?

Bart

I use these.

Ultra Edit http://www.ultraedit.com/
Dreamweaver http://www.dreamweaver.com/
HTML-Kit http://www.htmlkit.com/

A decent text-editor like Ultra Edit is all u need.

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[pouzzler]

"Bart" <ye*******@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<dn*********************@phobos.telenet-ops.be>...

What is the best tool to develop a php-website ? I used Macromedia
Dreamweaver MX and Zend Studio.
Are there better tools ?

Bart

http://www.phpedit.net/products/PHPEdit/

You can define any template you want, code highlighting - who wants more?

ex w, h, space outputs a whole while () for me

while($row=mysql_fetch_array($result))
{}

f, o, space does the whole for() loop... you see the interest, plus it's free.