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[Chung Leong]

Just noticed this link on the side while reading this group on Google:

"PHP Programmers at $10/hr"

So sad...

[Mladen Gogala]

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:48:40 -0700, Chung Leong wrote:

Just noticed this link on the side while reading this group on Google:

"PHP Programmers at $10/hr"

So sad...

Not really. After them, they'll need to hire real programmers
which will not work for $10/hr. Programmers paid $10/hr will not
produce quality software, but endless debugging opportunities.

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[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Chung Leong wrote:

Just noticed this link on the side while reading this group on Google:

"PHP Programmers at $10/hr"

So sad...

mmmm :-)

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[Ramon]

You would be surprised how much $10US an hour can buy a person, in
countries like India, Russia, etc.

D.

Mladen Gogala wrote:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:48:40 -0700, Chung Leong wrote:

Just noticed this link on the side while reading this group on Google:

"PHP Programmers at $10/hr"

So sad...

Not really. After them, they'll need to hire real programmers
which will not work for $10/hr. Programmers paid $10/hr will not
produce quality software, but endless debugging opportunities.

[Ramon]

In fact, you would be surprised in the quality of the code produced,
perhaps some of it would be better then either me or you could ever produce.

Ramon wrote:

You would be surprised how much $10US an hour can buy a person, in
countries like India, Russia, etc.

D.

Mladen Gogala wrote:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:48:40 -0700, Chung Leong wrote:

Just noticed this link on the side while reading this group on Google:

"PHP Programmers at $10/hr"

So sad...

Not really. After them, they'll need to hire real programmers
which will not work for $10/hr. Programmers paid $10/hr will not
produce quality software, but endless debugging opportunities.

[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Mladen Gogala wrote:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 20:48:40 -0700, Chung Leong wrote:

Just noticed this link on the side while reading this group on Google:

"PHP Programmers at $10/hr"

So sad...

Not really. After them, they'll need to hire real programmers
which will not work for $10/hr. Programmers paid $10/hr will not
produce quality software, but endless debugging opportunities.

You'd be surprised that in the world of Project Management (refer
"Project Planning, Scheduling & Control", ISBN: 0071360506), "quality"
is something that meets client's requirement as Chung Leong would often
advocates usefulness of PHP vs better PHP.

Regarding your rate vs quality comments, in many cases it wouldn't be
true. FWIW, A.R.Rahman received just 25k INR for his first movie
assignment "Roja", a mega hit music work; though he now expected to
receive more than 10cr INR per assignments, he isn't giving hits as
"Roja".

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[Geoff Berrow]

I noticed that Message-ID:
<11**********************@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups .com> from R. Rajesh
Jeba Anbiah contained the following:

"PHP Programmers at $10/hr"

So sad...

mmmm :-)

My daughter gets that in the UK as a part time office junior.

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[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Geoff Berrow wrote:

I noticed that Message-ID:
<11**********************@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups .com> from R. Rajesh
Jeba Anbiah contained the following:

"PHP Programmers at $10/hr"

So sad...

mmmm :-)

My daughter gets that in the UK as a part time office junior.

Sorry and sad, if it's low. But, just curious: is it low? What's the
decent rate?

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Email: rrjanbiah-at-Y!com Blog: http://rajeshanbiah.blogspot.com/

[Andy]

"Ramon" <dr*****@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dh***********@bunyip2.cc.uq.edu.au...

You would be surprised how much $10US an hour can buy a person, in
countries like India, Russia, etc.

In Russsia about 3-5 min with Pro......

[theUnusualSuspect]

I'm doing PHP work, amongst other things such as 4D development, for
approx. 2 pounds sterling an hour in Nepal. This is well paid work by
local standards (a fully qualified accountant is lucky to earn 60 GBP a
month here, and some coders are on as little as 40 GBP a month) and we
have several very happy international clients. It's very true that you
get what you pay for, and outsourcing from West to East often produces
iffy results, but it is possible to obtain quality results. Of course,
I'm an expat, and if I was working for 10 dollars an hour back home,
I'd be very annoyed....

G

[Erwin Moller]

Geoff Berrow wrote:

I noticed that Message-ID:
<11**********************@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups .com> from R. Rajesh
Jeba Anbiah contained the following:

"PHP Programmers at $10/hr"

So sad...

mmmm :-)

My daughter gets that in the UK as a part time office junior.

Yes, but try to rent an appartment in London for 1 week with a 1 year salary
from India.
:-)

Regards,
Erwin Moller

[Geoff Berrow]

I noticed that Message-ID:
<11**********************@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups .com> from R. Rajesh
Jeba Anbiah contained the following:

My daughter gets that in the UK as a part time office junior.

Sorry and sad, if it's low. But, just curious: is it low? What's the
decent rate?

Well, lets say you're a middling programmer and aimed for a salary of
£30k, which is what our firemen were after not so long ago (don't think
they got it, mind). Let's assume you can get enough work for three full
days a week (you'd need to spend time marketing, doing invoices and
stuff). And maybe take off two weeks for an annual holiday.

so that's 30,000/50*3 a day = 200 or £25 an hour

Then you have to add on rent, heating, electricity, depreciation of
capital equipment phone, etc etc. So you could be up to £35 without too
much bother.

London would be another matter. £30k wouldn't buy as much there though
we are catching up fast in the sticks. You're looking at 80-90k for a
plain two up two down Victorian terraced house, £150k for a semi and
this is in an area with traditionally low prices. So that £30k wouldn't
even get you a mortgage. And it makes my £21.5k college lecturer salary
seem positively puny.

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[Chung Leong]

Ramon wrote:

You would be surprised how much $10US an hour can buy a person, in
countries like India, Russia, etc.

True enough. But if the these businesses in Russian and India could
charge more, then surely they would. The ad basically shows there isn't
much of a market for PHP talent.

[Ramon]

That's not what the ad shows at all. As I am sure you could find an
ASP.NET programmer for the same $10/hour in the countries mentioned. As
for the market... there is one, as during the last 5 years I have been
unemployed... well never actually. In fact I've always had to get my
annual leave payed out, as I never have the time to take it.

The bottom line is, there is always a market for the right man/woman.
Always, this goes for everything in life.

D.

Chung Leong wrote:

Ramon wrote:

You would be surprised how much $10US an hour can buy a person, in
countries like India, Russia, etc.

True enough. But if the these businesses in Russian and India could
charge more, then surely they would. The ad basically shows there isn't
much of a market for PHP talent.

[R. Rajesh Jeba Anbiah]

Geoff Berrow wrote:

My daughter gets that in the UK as a part time office junior.
Sorry and sad, if it's low. But, just curious: is it low? What's the
decent rate?

<snip>
So that £30k wouldn't
even get you a mortgage. And it makes my £21.5k college lecturer salary
seem positively puny.

Sorry to see the economic situations. Hope and pray the situation will
settle down soon.

FWIW, I'd sometime think, what if people could migrate to safer
economic countries (no offense of course). Also, these days I'm
witnessing such settlers; unless you're not deceived by religious
cults, you'll be much safer here, IMHO.

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