I can't believe how many people don't realize how many of their questions are answered in the PHP/MySQL/Apache documentation!

[Jeffrey Silverman]

'nuff said. Just venting...
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Johns Hopkins University | Baltimore, MD
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[Phil Roberts]

With total disregard for any kind of safety measures "Jeffrey
Silverman" <je*****@jhu.edu> leapt forth and uttered:

'nuff said. Just venting...

first rule of cluebieism: Never read the manual.

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There is no signature.....

[Jochen Buennagel]

Jeffrey Silverman wrote:

'nuff said. Just venting...

I've found the same on numerous forums, and I attribute it to pure
lazyness: They think it is easier to ask someone than to RTFM. At first,
I just told those people to "RTFM", but that got me lots of flames for
being rude, so now I just sit on my hands, count to ten, them move on to
the next post.

Jochen
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[Justin Koivisto]

Jochen Buennagel wrote:

I've found the same on numerous forums, and I attribute it to pure
lazyness: They think it is easier to ask someone than to RTFM. At first,
I just told those people to "RTFM", but that got me lots of flames for
being rude

Same here, so most of the time I will send a link to the correct manual
pages. That way the next person that has a very similar question may
check out the llink first. Besides, when you know the manuals from
reading them so much, you tend to be able to find things that others
can't because of the terms they are looking for...

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PHP POSTERS: Please use comp.lang.php for PHP related questions,
alt.php* groups are not recommended.

[Matthias Gutfeldt]

Jochen Buennagel wrote:

Jeffrey Silverman wrote:

'nuff said. Just venting...

I've found the same on numerous forums, and I attribute it to pure
lazyness: They think it is easier to ask someone than to RTFM.

Granted, quite often it is lazyness, but it's not always that simple.
First you have to know there is a manual, then you have to find it, and
then you have to find out which part of the manual answers your
question. This last part is sometimes still a problem for me.
Matthias

[Jeffrey Silverman]

On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:26:59 +0200, Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:

Jochen Buennagel wrote:

Jeffrey Silverman wrote:

'nuff said. Just venting...

I've found the same on numerous forums, and I attribute it to pure
lazyness: They think it is easier to ask someone than to RTFM.

Granted, quite often it is lazyness, but it's not always that simple.
First you have to know there is a manual, then you have to find it, and
then you have to find out which part of the manual answers your question.
This last part is sometimes still a problem for me.
Matthias

True enough! Take Unix man pages, for example....hard to read, difficult
to find what exactly you are looking for, and impossible to use as a
learning tool!

later...
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Jeffrey D. Silverman | jeffrey AT jhu DOT edu
Johns Hopkins University | Baltimore, MD
Website | http://www.wse.jhu.edu/newtnotes/

[Wes Bailey]

I have one word for newbies: google!

Earlier some guy asked about php and ms access. I did a google
search: php microsoft access

Behold the first hit was a tutorial on PHP with Microsoft Access on
phpfreaks.com.

I still think too many people don't life a finger. I learned
everything on my own through books, bad web tutorials and writing code
and trying things out.

wes

"Jeffrey Silverman" <je*****@jhu.edu> wrote in message
news:<pa****************************@jhu.edu>...
On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 11:26:59 +0200, Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:

Jochen Buennagel wrote:

Jeffrey Silverman wrote:

'nuff said. Just venting...
I've found the same on numerous forums, and I attribute it to pure
lazyness: They think it is easier to ask someone than to RTFM.

Granted, quite often it is lazyness, but it's not always that simple.
First you have to know there is a manual, then you have to find it, and
then you have to find out which part of the manual answers your question.
This last part is sometimes still a problem for me.
Matthias

True enough! Take Unix man pages, for example....hard to read, difficult
to find what exactly you are looking for, and impossible to use as a
learning tool!

later...

[Chris Pomasl]

Considering that most people using PHP are dabbling, it does not
surprise me.

I am a professional programmer and find that MOST of my colleagues do
not RTFM so the fact that non-pro's don't either is hardly surprising.
Especially the newer, younger people.

Me, I find I usually get more accurate answers from the manual than the
so-called experts. The only exception is getting the nuance of a
function that may not be covered by a technical manual. IE: How/when to
use a function and which might be better if there are alternatives.

Chris

Jeffrey Silverman wrote:

'nuff said. Just venting...

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Computer Associates, inc

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[matty]

Chris Pomasl wrote:

Considering that most people using PHP are dabbling, it does not
surprise me.

I am a professional programmer and find that MOST of my colleagues do
not RTFM so the fact that non-pro's don't either is hardly surprising.
Especially the newer, younger people.

Me, I find I usually get more accurate answers from the manual than the
so-called experts. The only exception is getting the nuance of a
function that may not be covered by a technical manual. IE: How/when to
use a function and which might be better if there are alternatives.

With you on that one!

Once I get the time, I'm going to put up some kind of Wiki/faq-o-matic/cms
article system for putting faqs, tips, etc on, so we can just point people
at it. The main concerns are security (no Wiki terrorists!) and bandwidth -
I've had trouble finding something else of this nature (like the css-discuss
wiki at http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ ), which suggests that if it takes
off, the bandwidth and server loading could be an important concern...

If you have any thoughts on the best way to do this, or what you'd like to see,
please let me know (here or offlist - the email is real...)

Matt