DBFlash for Oracle - looking for beta testers (modified post)

[Charlie Martin Beta program]

Well, it turns out that Google automagically mangled email addresses
in the last try, so here goes again.

Confio Software, a Boulder-based system performance tools developer,
is preparing to announce our new DBFlash(TM) for Oracle version 4.6;
we need beta testers before our upcoming release, so we are looking
for a limited number of new sites interested in trying our new
version.

Qualifying sites should have:

- a significant number of Oracle-based applications in production
- seasoned Oracle DBAs interested in exploring the performance of
their internal or commercial applications
- willingness to spend several hours trying DBFlash for Oracle 4.6

What you get:

- Complimentary access to a tool that identifies root causes of
Oracle performance bottlenecks
- Deep visibility into how your applications impact the database
- Identification of problem SQLs and the wait time they impose on
users, sessions and programs

If interested, please send the following information to
beta-AT-confio-DOT-com or reply to author on this message.
Name
Title
Company
Mailing Address
telephone number
e-mail address
number of Oracle licenses

Looking forward to hearing from you.


Charles R Martin
Chief Architect
Confio Software, Inc.

[Hans Forbrich]

You would make a LOT more friends if you would restrict this kind of request
to the comp.database.oracle.marketplace forum - which is the only one you
have ignored.

The majority of the regular contributors to the comp.database.oracle.*
newsgroups have, over a fairly significant time, requested that such ads be
placed into cdo.marketplace - even for beta tests. Therefore, if you want
our support and feedback you might want to work with the wishes of for the
community you are apparently trying to attract.

<rant>
Many of us consider this advertising and spam. I don't see how this is
relevant to a discussion of the topic at hand (Oracle, Oracle tools, etc.),
since all you are trying to do is improve YOUR product (free or otherwise)
and not contributing to the general knowledge base of the Oracle product.
</rant>

Of course, if all you want is a flame war, please continue ...

/Hans

[CRMartin]

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Hans Forbrich wrote:

You would make a LOT more friends if you would restrict this kind of request
to the comp.database.oracle.marketplace forum - which is the only one you
have ignored.
Sorry for the confusion, the .marketplace charter says it's for:

* jobs available
* positions wanted
* services offered
* software or hardware wanted or available for sale
* books and other literature available
* announcements of new products

and since this was an announcement that we were looking for people to get
our software for free if they'd test it, which is none of jobs, services,
positions, books, software available for sale, books or other literature,
nor an announcement of a new product -- that'll come after we find the
beta testers we need -- it didn't seem appropriate.

However, I'll happily post to .marketplace, and beg your indulgence for my
mistaken reading of the charters.
Of course, if all you want is a flame war, please continue ...

Thanks for the offer, but I've got plenty.

(PS. Thanks to the ORacle FAQ .org people for providing webreader access;
this is ever so much better than Google Groups.)

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[CRMartin]

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Hans Forbrich wrote:

You would make a LOT more friends if you would restrict this kind of request
to the comp.database.oracle.marketplace forum - which is the only one you
have ignored.

My apologies. The charter for .marketplace
(http://www.orafaq.com/usenet/charter4.htm) says:

* jobs available
* positions wanted
* services offered
* software or hardware wanted or available for sale
* books and other literature available
* announcements of new products

and since I'm looking for people willing to try a tool, not looking for a
job, announcing a position, offering a service, selling software (we've
got marketing weenies for that), selling a book, or annoucing a new
product (it's not ready yet, that's why I'm looking for beta testers),
c.d.o.marketplace didn't seem appropriate.

That'll teach me to read the documentation.

(PS. Thanks to orafaq.org for providing this webreader; this is ever so
much better than google groups.)

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[Charlie Martin Beta program]

Hans Forbrich <fo******@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:<7M4Xc.55651$X12.8825@edtnps84>...

You would make a LOT more friends if you would restrict this kind of request
to the comp.database.oracle.marketplace forum - which is the only one you
have ignored.

My apologies. The charter for c.d.o.marketplace
(http://www.orafaq.com/usenet/charter4.htm) says:

* jobs available
* positions wanted
* services offered
* software or hardware wanted or available for sale
* books and other literature available
* announcements of new products

and since I'm looking for people willing to try a tool, and not
looking for a job, announcing a position, offering a service, selling
software (we've got marketing weenies for that), selling a book, or
annoucing a new product (it's not ready yet, that's why I'm looking
for beta testers), c.d.o.marketplace didn't seem appropriate.

That'll teach me to read the documentation.

[Hans Forbrich]

Charlie Martin Beta program wrote:

Hans Forbrich <fo******@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:<7M4Xc.55651$X12.8825@edtnps84>...

You would make a LOT more friends if you would restrict this kind of
request to the comp.database.oracle.marketplace forum - which is the only
one you have ignored.

My apologies. The charter for c.d.o.marketplace
(http://www.orafaq.com/usenet/charter4.htm) says:

* jobs available
* positions wanted
* services offered
* software or hardware wanted or available for sale
* books and other literature available
* announcements of new products

and since I'm looking for people willing to try a tool, and not
looking for a job, announcing a position, offering a service, selling
software (we've got marketing weenies for that), selling a book, or
annoucing a new product (it's not ready yet, that's why I'm looking
for beta testers), c.d.o.marketplace didn't seem appropriate.

That'll teach me to read the documentation.

I know it can be confusing, so I tried to be gentle in my comments. IMO,
the cdo.marketplace should be changed to include the following:

* software or hardware wanted or available for sale

* third party software/hardware wanted or available * announcements of new products * announcements of new open source or commercial products (new) general announcements such as beta tests

/Hans

[Daniel Morgan]

Charlie Martin Beta program wrote:

Well, it turns out that Google automagically mangled email addresses
in the last try, so here goes again.

Charles R Martin
Chief Architect
Confio Software, Inc.

Google was trying to do you a favor because we do not appreicate
spammers. And you were inconsiderate not to read the charter and
rude to spam us so you have done damage to your company and little
else.

I would suggest you immmediately post an apology for your indiscretion
and repost your request at comp.databases.oracle.marketplace where it
belongs.

Thank you.

--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
da******@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)

[Daniel Morgan]

Charlie Martin Beta program wrote:

Hans Forbrich <fo******@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:<7M4Xc.55651$X12.8825@edtnps84>...

You would make a LOT more friends if you would restrict this kind of request
to the comp.database.oracle.marketplace forum - which is the only one you
have ignored.

My apologies. The charter for c.d.o.marketplace
(http://www.orafaq.com/usenet/charter4.htm) says:

* jobs available
* positions wanted
* services offered
* software or hardware wanted or available for sale
* books and other literature available
* announcements of new products

and since I'm looking for people willing to try a tool, and not
looking for a job, announcing a position, offering a service, selling
software (we've got marketing weenies for that), selling a book, or
annoucing a new product (it's not ready yet, that's why I'm looking
for beta testers), c.d.o.marketplace didn't seem appropriate.

That'll teach me to read the documentation.

Apology accepted. This didn't show up until after I posted.

Thank you. And I will send a notice to members of PSOUG to see if
anyone is interested in helping you.

--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
da******@x.washington.edu
(replace 'x' with 'u' to respond)

[Dusan Bolek]

Daniel Morgan <da******@x.washington.edu> wrote in message news:<1093498566.295527@yasure>...

Charlie Martin Beta program wrote:

Well, it turns out that Google automagically mangled email addresses
in the last try, so here goes again.

Charles R Martin
Chief Architect
Confio Software, Inc.

Google was trying to do you a favor because we do not appreicate
spammers. And you were inconsiderate not to read the charter and
rude to spam us so you have done damage to your company and little
else.

I would suggest you immmediately post an apology for your indiscretion
and repost your request at comp.databases.oracle.marketplace where it
belongs.

I just hope this is not an OMLET's brother. It is hard to survive even
a single OMLET, two of them would be unbearable.

--
Dusan Bolek
http://www.db-support.com

Email: sp*****@seznam.cz
Pls add "Not Guilty" to the subject, otherwise your email will face an
unpleasant end as SPAM.

[Joel Garry]

be**@confio.com (Charlie Martin Beta program) wrote in message news:<eb**************************@posting.google. com>...

That'll teach me to read the documentation.

One wonders who writes your documentation. I looked at your RMM white
paper, and it seems to have been written by someone who assumes DBA's
don't know about modern versions of OEM (not to mention other tools).
Statements like "For
example, if the I/O operations for a particular SQL statement are
visible, but the latch information is missing, it is impossible to
tell how much time, if any, is being spent on any of the 200+ latches.
As a result, most DBAs tune the visible resources and then simply say
that the SQL is "tuned"" are troubling, as it is a simple matter to
look at any or all latches on pretty graphs, top sql statements, etc.,
and drill down in to an exact problem. Your quantification example
doesn't seem to take into account effects propagated to resources of
other sessions.

So what added value does your product have? Why is RMM better than
Milsap, Lawson, or even Oracle's methodologies?

BTW, you should have googled and lurked in the group before posting to
see the previous discussions about the charter, as is true of any
group.

jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
Bully. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/26/ed...er=rssuserland

[Ed prochak]

Hans Forbrich <fo******@yahoo.net> wrote in message news:<yU9Xc.9504$A8.417@edtnps89>...

Charlie Martin Beta program wrote:

Hans Forbrich <fo******@yahoo.net> wrote in message
news:<7M4Xc.55651$X12.8825@edtnps84>...

You would make a LOT more friends if you would restrict this kind of
request to the comp.database.oracle.marketplace forum - which is the only
one you have ignored.

My apologies. The charter for c.d.o.marketplace
(http://www.orafaq.com/usenet/charter4.htm) says:

* jobs available
* positions wanted
* services offered
* software or hardware wanted or available for sale
* books and other literature available
* announcements of new products

and since I'm looking for people willing to try a tool, and not
looking for a job, announcing a position, offering a service, selling
software (we've got marketing weenies for that), selling a book, or
annoucing a new product (it's not ready yet, that's why I'm looking
for beta testers), c.d.o.marketplace didn't seem appropriate.

That'll teach me to read the documentation.

I know it can be confusing, so I tried to be gentle in my comments. IMO,
the cdo.marketplace should be changed to include the following:

* software or hardware wanted or available for sale

* third party software/hardware wanted or available * announcements of new products * announcements of new open source or commercial products (new) general announcements such as beta tests

/Hans

But the charter was only partially quoted. The paragraph above the
list reads-

Comp.databases.oracle.marketplace is a news group provided for
commercially oriented topics of interest to people using Oracle
software. This group includes but is not limited to articles covering
the following topics:
Notice the "includes but is not limited to" phrase. I really think it
doesn't need amended since it says what you want to say already. The
list is not exhaustive and was never intended to be so.

If Charlie is willing to learn, then this is all for the good.

Ed

[Hans Forbrich]

Ed prochak wrote:

I know it can be confusing, so I tried to be gentle in my comments. IMO,
the cdo.marketplace should be changed to include the following:

* software or hardware wanted or available for sale

>> * third party software/hardware wanted or available

* announcements of new products

>> * announcements of new open source or commercial products

(new)

>> general announcements such as beta tests

/Hans

But the charter was only partially quoted. The paragraph above the
list reads-

Comp.databases.oracle.marketplace is a news group provided for
commercially oriented topics of interest to people using Oracle
software. This group includes but is not limited to articles covering
the following topics:
Notice the "includes but is not limited to" phrase. I really think it
doesn't need amended since it says what you want to say already. The
list is not exhaustive and was never intended to be so.

If Charlie is willing to learn, then this is all for the good.

Ed

He _has_ learned and duly apologized.

My statement is based on the apparent ambiguity of the charter and/or the
inabilty of some people to understand. We have had *way* to much
misinterpretation lately.

My belief is that avoidable misinterpretation will continue until we make
the change, or at least provide a clarification in publically accesible
forums such as orafaq.com (Deliberate misinterpretation, people who wish
to demonstrate their ignorance and nutcases who grovel in raw egg will
always be a problem as long as the internet provides anonymity.)

Time to kill this thread, or at least move it to cdo.misc?

/Hans