Using XML and XSLT for publishing a church bulletin on web and paper

[Tim Dempsey]

Folks,

I need some advice. I hpoe some of you can advise me.

Our church's weekly bulletin has been published on paper for years. It is
created in MS Word and sent to the publishing company. Now I need to publish
the same information on our new web site. But I don't want to put an image
of the paper bulletin on the web site. I want it to look natural there, as
if it were produced with god web design principles.

Although I have years of software development background including web-based
applications and am familiar with HTML, XHTML, DOM, etc., I have not worked
with XML at all. But from my reading, it appears that I may be able to
accomplish what I need by applying XML to the job.

I think it is possible to define the bulletin as a structured document in an
XML schema. I also think it is possible to develop two XSLT stylesheets (if
that's what you call XSLT files). One would transform he XML-marked bulletin
into an MS Word document using WordprocessingML and the other would
transform it into a pretty web page using XHTML.

My questions are:

1.) Is the above approach feasible? Is it natural? Are there better ways of
accomplishing the same thing?

Assuming the answer to #1 is that it is approriate to take this approach:

2.) Has anyone done this before (perhaps for things besides church
bulletins)? If so, can I learn from those efforts?

3.) What tools are available to help with this? I use Dreamweaver for normal
web page development. Are there similar tools for XML? What are recommended?
Are they expensive? (I am a single person - not a team - with a single
application. I may parlay this into more applications in the future.)

4.) The church secretaries currently use MS Word in a simple fashion to
enter the weekly bulletin. How will they do it if I develop this solution?
Will they still use MS Word?

I will greatly appreciate anyone's advice.

Thanks in advance....

-- Tim Dempsey

[Steven Burr]

Tim Dempsey wrote:

Folks,

I need some advice. I hpoe some of you can advise me.

Our church's weekly bulletin has been published on paper for years. It is
created in MS Word and sent to the publishing company. Now I need to publish
the same information on our new web site. But I don't want to put an image
of the paper bulletin on the web site. I want it to look natural there, as
if it were produced with god web design principles.

Although I have years of software development background including web-based
applications and am familiar with HTML, XHTML, DOM, etc., I have not worked
with XML at all. But from my reading, it appears that I may be able to
accomplish what I need by applying XML to the job.

I think it is possible to define the bulletin as a structured document in an
XML schema. I also think it is possible to develop two XSLT stylesheets (if
that's what you call XSLT files). One would transform he XML-marked bulletin
into an MS Word document using WordprocessingML and the other would
transform it into a pretty web page using XHTML.

My questions are:

1.) Is the above approach feasible? Is it natural? Are there better ways of
accomplishing the same thing?

Assuming the answer to #1 is that it is approriate to take this approach:

2.) Has anyone done this before (perhaps for things besides church
bulletins)? If so, can I learn from those efforts?

3.) What tools are available to help with this? I use Dreamweaver for normal
web page development. Are there similar tools for XML? What are recommended?
Are they expensive? (I am a single person - not a team - with a single
application. I may parlay this into more applications in the future.)

4.) The church secretaries currently use MS Word in a simple fashion to
enter the weekly bulletin. How will they do it if I develop this solution?
Will they still use MS Word?

I will greatly appreciate anyone's advice.

Thanks in advance....

-- Tim Dempsey

Hi, Tim,

Depending on which version of Microsoft Word you're using, you may well
have the option of saving the file as XML directly from Word. This might
be your best option, as the secretaries are already familiar with Word.

After that, you could certainly use an XSLT stylesheet to transform it
into HTML (that is, assuming that the default HTML that Word can be
saved from Word is unacceptable).

Hope this helps,
Steve

[Speck]

"Tim Dempsey" <tf*******@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Folks,

I need some advice. I hpoe some of you can advise me.

Our church's weekly bulletin has been published on paper for years. It is
created in MS Word and sent to the publishing company. Now I need to publish the same information on our new web site. But I don't want to put an image
of the paper bulletin on the web site. I want it to look natural there, as
if it were produced with god web design principles.

Although I have years of software development background including web-based applications and am familiar with HTML, XHTML, DOM, etc., I have not worked with XML at all. But from my reading, it appears that I may be able to
accomplish what I need by applying XML to the job.

I think it is possible to define the bulletin as a structured document in an XML schema. I also think it is possible to develop two XSLT stylesheets (if that's what you call XSLT files). One would transform he XML-marked bulletin into an MS Word document using WordprocessingML and the other would
transform it into a pretty web page using XHTML.

My questions are:

1.) Is the above approach feasible? Is it natural? Are there better ways of accomplishing the same thing?

Assuming the answer to #1 is that it is approriate to take this approach:

2.) Has anyone done this before (perhaps for things besides church
bulletins)? If so, can I learn from those efforts?

3.) What tools are available to help with this? I use Dreamweaver for normal web page development. Are there similar tools for XML? What are recommended? Are they expensive? (I am a single person - not a team - with a single
application. I may parlay this into more applications in the future.)

4.) The church secretaries currently use MS Word in a simple fashion to
enter the weekly bulletin. How will they do it if I develop this solution?
Will they still use MS Word?

I will greatly appreciate anyone's advice.

Thanks in advance....

-- Tim Dempsey

Hello Tim,

A couple of points might help:

Using a schema to describe your document is a good idea, but if you're new
to XML, using a DTD might be easier. The syntax is simpler, DTD's are more
suited to the mixed content of your newsletter, and you probably won't need
all the bells and whistles of a schema. Some people say DTD's are dead but
they are appropriate in many cases.

The latest versions of MS Word have an option to save documents as XML and
optionally apply transformations in the process. So, I could imagine your
secretaries would continue to use Word as they do now. But, they would save
an extra copy as XML which would then be transformed by XSLT to HTML. You
could then pick up this HTML output with Dreamweaver and do any tidying up
you think appropriate (or build it into the XSLT when you get a handle on
what's required).

Regarding tools, XML Spy by Altova is a serious, top-drawer XML development
tool you could use to create and test your DTDs and/or schemas. When I
cought my copy it was around US$400. If you want to go open-source (and
free) there are plenty of free plug-ins to the Eclipse workbench that will
do the job without all the muscle of XML Spy.

If you need any pointers to books or the Eclipse tools, just re-post here.

Speck.

[John Allen]

"Speck" <sp***@Australia.net> wrote >

"Tim Dempsey" <tf*******@comcast.net> > > I need some advice. I hpoe some of you can advise me.

Our church's weekly bulletin has been published on paper for years. It is created in MS Word and sent to the publishing company. Now I need to

publish

the same information on our new web site. But I don't want to put an image of the paper bulletin on the web site. I want it to look natural there, as if it were produced with god web design principles.

Although I have years of software development background including

web-based

applications and am familiar with HTML, XHTML, DOM, etc., I have not

worked

with XML at all. But from my reading, it appears that I may be able to
accomplish what I need by applying XML to the job.

I think it is possible to define the bulletin as a structured document in an

XML schema. I also think it is possible to develop two XSLT stylesheets (if

that's what you call XSLT files). One would transform he XML-marked

bulletin

into an MS Word document using WordprocessingML and the other would
transform it into a pretty web page using XHTML.

My questions are:

1.) Is the above approach feasible? Is it natural? Are there better ways

of

accomplishing the same thing?

Assuming the answer to #1 is that it is approriate to take this

approach:
2.) Has anyone done this before (perhaps for things besides church
bulletins)? If so, can I learn from those efforts?

3.) What tools are available to help with this? I use Dreamweaver for

normal

web page development. Are there similar tools for XML? What are

recommended?

Are they expensive? (I am a single person - not a team - with a single
application. I may parlay this into more applications in the future.)

4.) The church secretaries currently use MS Word in a simple fashion to
enter the weekly bulletin. How will they do it if I develop this solution? Will they still use MS Word?

I will greatly appreciate anyone's advice.

Thanks in advance....

-- Tim Dempsey

Hello Tim,

A couple of points might help:

Using a schema to describe your document is a good idea, but if you're new
to XML, using a DTD might be easier. The syntax is simpler, DTD's are more
suited to the mixed content of your newsletter, and you probably won't

need all the bells and whistles of a schema. Some people say DTD's are dead but
they are appropriate in many cases.

The latest versions of MS Word have an option to save documents as XML and
optionally apply transformations in the process. So, I could imagine your
secretaries would continue to use Word as they do now. But, they would save an extra copy as XML which would then be transformed by XSLT to HTML. You
could then pick up this HTML output with Dreamweaver and do any tidying up
you think appropriate (or build it into the XSLT when you get a handle on
what's required).

Regarding tools, XML Spy by Altova is a serious, top-drawer XML development tool you could use to create and test your DTDs and/or schemas. When I
cought my copy it was around US$400. If you want to go open-source (and
free) there are plenty of free plug-ins to the Eclipse workbench that will
do the job without all the muscle of XML Spy.

There is now a free version of XML Spy, for download from their web site.
This has plenty of functionality to get you started.

John

--
John Allen
Bofferdange, Luxembourg
allen{AT}vo{DOT}lu
http://www.homepages.lu/allen