Is #include inside stdafx.h a bad idea?

[Chris Shearer Cooper]

In our Visual Studio 2005 application, we have several of our application's
H files that are #included into stdafx.h.

What is odd, is that when we change those application H files, VS2005
doesn't trigger a rebuild of the entire app (or of anything, for that
matter).

Is this a setting somewhere?

Thanks!
Chris

[Victor Bazarov]

Chris Shearer Cooper wrote:

In our Visual Studio 2005 application, we have several of our
application's H files that are #included into stdafx.h.

I thought that it is exactly what the precompiled headers are for.

What is odd, is that when we change those application H files, VS2005
doesn't trigger a rebuild of the entire app (or of anything, for that
matter).

Is this a setting somewhere?

Aren't you supposed to have 'stdafx.cpp' added to your project as
well as 'stdafx.h'? That's what should trigger re-creation of the
precompiled headers and further recompilation of the modules...

Or just turn them precompiled headers off (are they on?)

V
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[Nathan Mates]

In article <12*************@corp.supernews.com>,
Chris Shearer Cooper <ch*******@sc3.netwrote:

>In our Visual Studio 2005 application, we have several of our application's
H files that are #included into stdafx.h.

>What is odd, is that when we change those application H files, VS2005
doesn't trigger a rebuild of the entire app (or of anything, for that
matter).

I've seen a lot of projects not compile every dependent cpp file
when Resource.h is changed. Is this the kind of header file you're
changing? Btw, you can rename your precompiled headers to something
that's a lot more meaningful - no need to keep up with MS-DOS 8.3
filenames or a bad keyboard splattering that became a (lousy)
standard.

Nathan Mates

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[Chris Shearer Cooper]

Both stdafx.h and stdafx.cpp are included in the project.

"Victor Bazarov" <v.********@comAcast.netwrote in message
news:ep**********@news.datemas.de...

Chris Shearer Cooper wrote:

>In our Visual Studio 2005 application, we have several of our
application's H files that are #included into stdafx.h.

I thought that it is exactly what the precompiled headers are for.

>What is odd, is that when we change those application H files, VS2005
doesn't trigger a rebuild of the entire app (or of anything, for that
matter).

Is this a setting somewhere?

Aren't you supposed to have 'stdafx.cpp' added to your project as
well as 'stdafx.h'? That's what should trigger re-creation of the
precompiled headers and further recompilation of the modules...

Or just turn them precompiled headers off (are they on?)

V
--
Please remove capital 'A's when replying by e-mail
I do not respond to top-posted replies, please don't ask

[Chris Shearer Cooper]

Yeah ... and I was wondering where the setting was, that said "don't rebuild
just because resource.h changed" ... but no, the header files I'm changing
are not resource.h, they contain real live C++ class definitions ...

"Nathan Mates" <na****@visi.comwrote in message
news:12*************@corp.supernews.com...

In article <12*************@corp.supernews.com>,
Chris Shearer Cooper <ch*******@sc3.netwrote:

>>In our Visual Studio 2005 application, we have several of our
application's
H files that are #included into stdafx.h.

>>What is odd, is that when we change those application H files, VS2005
doesn't trigger a rebuild of the entire app (or of anything, for that
matter).

I've seen a lot of projects not compile every dependent cpp file
when Resource.h is changed. Is this the kind of header file you're
changing? Btw, you can rename your precompiled headers to something
that's a lot more meaningful - no need to keep up with MS-DOS 8.3
filenames or a bad keyboard splattering that became a (lousy)
standard.

Nathan Mates

--
<*Nathan Mates - personal webpage http://www.visi.com/~nathan/
# Programmer at Pandemic Studios -- http://www.pandemicstudios.com/
# NOT speaking for Pandemic Studios. "Care not what the neighbors
# think. What are the facts, and to how many decimal places?" -R.A.
Heinlein

[Doug Harrison [MVP]]

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:21:47 -0700, "Chris Shearer Cooper"
<ch*******@sc3.netwrote:

>"Nathan Mates" <na****@visi.comwrote in message
news:12*************@corp.supernews.com...

>In article <12*************@corp.supernews.com>,
Chris Shearer Cooper <ch*******@sc3.netwrote:

>>>In our Visual Studio 2005 application, we have several of our
application's
H files that are #included into stdafx.h.

>>>What is odd, is that when we change those application H files, VS2005
doesn't trigger a rebuild of the entire app (or of anything, for that
matter).

I've seen a lot of projects not compile every dependent cpp file
when Resource.h is changed. Is this the kind of header file you're
changing? Btw, you can rename your precompiled headers to something
that's a lot more meaningful - no need to keep up with MS-DOS 8.3
filenames or a bad keyboard splattering that became a (lousy)
standard.

Yeah ... and I was wondering where the setting was, that said "don't rebuild
just because resource.h changed" ...

That setting is expressed in the comment at the very top of the file:

//{{NO_DEPENDENCIES}}

>but no, the header files I'm changing
are not resource.h, they contain real live C++ class definitions ...

Where are the files located, and what are their names? VC++ has gotten
smarter about excluding files from dependency checking. In VC6 and earlier,
there was a file (sysincl.dat, IIRC) that contained many hundreds of names
of system (C, C++, Windows) headers, and the compiler would exclude any
file with one of these names, wherever it was located. Nowadays, the
compiler excludes whole directories, which makes a lot more sense. You
should also make sure the relevant .obj files aren't dated far into the
future.

--
Doug Harrison
Visual C++ MVP

[Chris Shearer Cooper]

stdafx.h looks like this (it's the "..\otherproject\superfile.h", and
similar lines immediately following, that are my concern):
* neither stdafx.h nor superfile.h start with //{{NO_DEPENDENCIES}}
* I do a complete rebuild, and the problem doesn't go away (so it's not obj
files being dated in the future)

// stdafx.h : include file for standard system include files,

// or project specific include files that are used frequently, but

// are changed infrequently

//

#if !defined(AFX_STDAFX_H__213DF6DA_EB6C_11D5_9E8D_000 000000000__INCLUDED_)

#define AFX_STDAFX_H__213DF6DA_EB6C_11D5_9E8D_000000000000 __INCLUDED_

#if _MSC_VER >= 1000

#pragma once

#endif // _MSC_VER >= 1000

// Lowest operating system you need your app to run on

// WINVER 0x0400 is Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.0

// WINVER 0x0410 is Windows 98

// WINVER 0x0500 is Windows Me, 2000

// WINVER 0x0501 is Windows XP

// RTL features like WS_EX_LAYOUTRTL only appeared in version 0x0500

#if _MSC_VER >= 1400 // VS 2005

#define _WIN32_WINDOWS 0x0410

#define WINVER 0x0410

#define _WIN32_WINNT 0x0500

#endif

// Internet Explorer 5.0, 5.0a, 5.0b

#define _WIN32_IE 0x0500

#define VC_EXTRALEAN // Exclude rarely-used stuff from Windows headers

#include <afxwin.h// MFC core and standard components

#include <afxext.h// MFC extensions

#include <afxdtctl.h// MFC support for Internet Explorer 4 Common Controls

#include <afxtempl.h// MFC support for Internet Explorer 4 Common Controls

#include <afxdisp.h// For Drag & Drop

#include <afxole.h// For Drag & Drop

//#include <afxadv.h// For Drag & Drop

#ifndef _AFX_NO_AFXCMN_SUPPORT

#include <afxcmn.h// MFC support for Windows Common Controls

#include <afxcview.h>

#endif

#ifndef WS_EX_NOINHERITLAYOUT

#define WS_EX_NOINHERITLAYOUT 0x00100000

#endif

#ifndef WS_EX_LAYOUTRTL

#define WS_EX_LAYOUTRTL 0x00400000

#endif

#define countof(x) (sizeof(x) / sizeof(x[0]))

#include "Resource.h"

#include "..\OtherProject\SuperFile.h"
"Doug Harrison [MVP]" <ds*@mvps.orgwrote in message
news:k2********************************@4ax.com...

On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:21:47 -0700, "Chris Shearer Cooper"
<ch*******@sc3.netwrote:

>>"Nathan Mates" <na****@visi.comwrote in message
news:12*************@corp.supernews.com...

>>In article <12*************@corp.supernews.com>,
Chris Shearer Cooper <ch*******@sc3.netwrote:
In our Visual Studio 2005 application, we have several of our
application's
H files that are #included into stdafx.h.

What is odd, is that when we change those application H files, VS2005
doesn't trigger a rebuild of the entire app (or of anything, for that
matter).

I've seen a lot of projects not compile every dependent cpp file
when Resource.h is changed. Is this the kind of header file you're
changing? Btw, you can rename your precompiled headers to something
that's a lot more meaningful - no need to keep up with MS-DOS 8.3
filenames or a bad keyboard splattering that became a (lousy)
standard.

Yeah ... and I was wondering where the setting was, that said "don't
rebuild
just because resource.h changed" ...

That setting is expressed in the comment at the very top of the file:

//{{NO_DEPENDENCIES}}

>>but no, the header files I'm changing
are not resource.h, they contain real live C++ class definitions ...

Where are the files located, and what are their names? VC++ has gotten
smarter about excluding files from dependency checking. In VC6 and
earlier,
there was a file (sysincl.dat, IIRC) that contained many hundreds of names
of system (C, C++, Windows) headers, and the compiler would exclude any
file with one of these names, wherever it was located. Nowadays, the
compiler excludes whole directories, which makes a lot more sense. You
should also make sure the relevant .obj files aren't dated far into the
future.

--
Doug Harrison
Visual C++ MVP

[Chris Shearer Cooper]

Interesting thing I just discovered ... in the stdafx.h, I include a lot of
other files (the listing I gave in this previous post was deliberately
incomplete) ...
It appears that files that are in the same folder as stdafx.h do cause a
complete rebuild, but files that are in other folders (like ..\OtherProject)
are not. Does this jibe with what you said about the compiler excluding
whole directories? And if so, how do I tell the compiler to not exclude the
...\OtherProject directory?

Thanks
Chris

"Chris Shearer Cooper" <ch*******@sc3.netwrote in message
news:12*************@corp.supernews.com...

stdafx.h looks like this (it's the "..\otherproject\superfile.h", and
similar lines immediately following, that are my concern):
* neither stdafx.h nor superfile.h start with //{{NO_DEPENDENCIES}}
* I do a complete rebuild, and the problem doesn't go away (so it's not
obj files being dated in the future)

// stdafx.h : include file for standard system include files,

// or project specific include files that are used frequently, but

// are changed infrequently

//

#if
!defined(AFX_STDAFX_H__213DF6DA_EB6C_11D5_9E8D_000 000000000__INCLUDED_)

#define AFX_STDAFX_H__213DF6DA_EB6C_11D5_9E8D_000000000000 __INCLUDED_

#if _MSC_VER >= 1000

#pragma once

#endif // _MSC_VER >= 1000

// Lowest operating system you need your app to run on

// WINVER 0x0400 is Windows 95 and Windows NT 4.0

// WINVER 0x0410 is Windows 98

// WINVER 0x0500 is Windows Me, 2000

// WINVER 0x0501 is Windows XP

// RTL features like WS_EX_LAYOUTRTL only appeared in version 0x0500

#if _MSC_VER >= 1400 // VS 2005

#define _WIN32_WINDOWS 0x0410

#define WINVER 0x0410

#define _WIN32_WINNT 0x0500

#endif

// Internet Explorer 5.0, 5.0a, 5.0b

#define _WIN32_IE 0x0500

#define VC_EXTRALEAN // Exclude rarely-used stuff from Windows headers

#include <afxwin.h// MFC core and standard components

#include <afxext.h// MFC extensions

#include <afxdtctl.h// MFC support for Internet Explorer 4 Common
Controls

#include <afxtempl.h// MFC support for Internet Explorer 4 Common
Controls

#include <afxdisp.h// For Drag & Drop

#include <afxole.h// For Drag & Drop

//#include <afxadv.h// For Drag & Drop

#ifndef _AFX_NO_AFXCMN_SUPPORT

#include <afxcmn.h// MFC support for Windows Common Controls

#include <afxcview.h>

#endif

#ifndef WS_EX_NOINHERITLAYOUT

#define WS_EX_NOINHERITLAYOUT 0x00100000

#endif

#ifndef WS_EX_LAYOUTRTL

#define WS_EX_LAYOUTRTL 0x00400000

#endif

#define countof(x) (sizeof(x) / sizeof(x[0]))

#include "Resource.h"

#include "..\OtherProject\SuperFile.h"
"Doug Harrison [MVP]" <ds*@mvps.orgwrote in message
news:k2********************************@4ax.com...

>On Wed, 24 Jan 2007 15:21:47 -0700, "Chris Shearer Cooper"
<ch*******@sc3.netwrote:

>>>"Nathan Mates" <na****@visi.comwrote in message
news:12*************@corp.supernews.com...
In article <12*************@corp.supernews.com>,
Chris Shearer Cooper <ch*******@sc3.netwrote:
>In our Visual Studio 2005 application, we have several of our
>application's
>H files that are #included into stdafx.h.

>What is odd, is that when we change those application H files, VS2005
>doesn't trigger a rebuild of the entire app (or of anything, for that
>matter).

I've seen a lot of projects not compile every dependent cpp file
when Resource.h is changed. Is this the kind of header file you're
changing? Btw, you can rename your precompiled headers to something
that's a lot more meaningful - no need to keep up with MS-DOS 8.3
filenames or a bad keyboard splattering that became a (lousy)
standard.

Yeah ... and I was wondering where the setting was, that said "don't
rebuild
just because resource.h changed" ...

That setting is expressed in the comment at the very top of the file:

//{{NO_DEPENDENCIES}}

>>>but no, the header files I'm changing
are not resource.h, they contain real live C++ class definitions ...

Where are the files located, and what are their names? VC++ has gotten
smarter about excluding files from dependency checking. In VC6 and
earlier,
there was a file (sysincl.dat, IIRC) that contained many hundreds of
names
of system (C, C++, Windows) headers, and the compiler would exclude any
file with one of these names, wherever it was located. Nowadays, the
compiler excludes whole directories, which makes a lot more sense. You
should also make sure the relevant .obj files aren't dated far into the
future.

--
Doug Harrison
Visual C++ MVP

[Dan Baker]

"Chris Shearer Cooper" <ch*******@sc3.netwrote in message
news:12*************@corp.supernews.com...

stdafx.h looks like this

<snip>

#include "Resource.h"

<snip>

I don't think you want to #include "resource.h" ... Resource.h changes all
the time. Files in stdafx.h are compiled and placed in the pre-compiled
header, which means if you change your resources, you will not get those
changed.

I don't think this is the problem you are describing... Just a note.

DanB

[David Ching]

"Chris Shearer Cooper" <ch*******@sc3.netwrote in message
news:12*************@corp.supernews.com...

Interesting thing I just discovered ... in the stdafx.h, I include a lot
of other files (the listing I gave in this previous post was deliberately
incomplete) ...
It appears that files that are in the same folder as stdafx.h do cause a
complete rebuild, but files that are in other folders (like
..\OtherProject) are not. Does this jibe with what you said about the
compiler excluding whole directories? And if so, how do I tell the
compiler to not exclude the ..\OtherProject directory?

It shouldn't matter what directory the header is in. But VC++ maintains
dependency info on a very fine basis. For example, if you change a
protected member of a class in the .h, it won't compile the .cpp files that
include the class because it knows that protected members can't be accessed
outside of the class so there is no need to recompile code outside of the
classs. Maybe that's why changing some .h files for you doesn't build
anything.

-- David (MVP)

[Doug Harrison [MVP]]

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 06:51:09 -0700, "Chris Shearer Cooper"
<ch*******@sc3.netwrote:

>Interesting thing I just discovered ... in the stdafx.h, I include a lot of
other files (the listing I gave in this previous post was deliberately
incomplete) ...
It appears that files that are in the same folder as stdafx.h do cause a
complete rebuild, but files that are in other folders (like ..\OtherProject)
are not. Does this jibe with what you said about the compiler excluding
whole directories? And if so, how do I tell the compiler to not exclude the
..\OtherProject directory?

The setting is at (menu drilling down into dialog box):

Tools/Options/Projects and Solutions/VC++ Directories/Exclude Directories

I have VC2005 SP1 here, and I just created a console application and put
the following into stdafx.h:

#include "../../other/zzz.h"

This file contains:

#pragma message("2")

When I change the message and recompile, stdafx.cpp and everything else is
rebuilt. I did not add zzz.h to the project, so apparently it's not
necessary to do so. If David is right, and minimal compilation is behind
it, then you should see messages like this in the output window:

1>Skipping... (no relevant changes detected)

--
Doug Harrison
Visual C++ MVP

[Alex Blekhman]

"David Ching" wrote:

>It appears that files that are in the same folder as
stdafx.h do cause a complete rebuild, but files that are
in other folders (like ..\OtherProject) are not.

It shouldn't matter what directory the header is in. But
VC++ maintains dependency info on a very fine basis. For
example, if you change a protected member of a class in
the .h, it won't compile the .cpp files that include the
class because it knows that protected members can't be
accessed outside of the class so there is no need to
recompile code outside of the classs.

It looks like quite dangerous decision. Protected members,
while being inaccessible, are perfectly visible for user's
code and participate in member call resolution. Access
rights are apllied afterwards. For example:

class X
{
public:
void f(double) {}

protected:
void f(const char*) {}
};

int main()
{
X x;

x.f(42);
x.f(3.14);

return 0;
}

The code above compiles as expected. Now if I change
protected `f' from

void f(const char*) {}

to

void f(int) {}

The `x.f(42);' statement won't compile anymore since
protected member function `void f(int)' participates in call
resolution and matches better than `void f(double)'.

Now, if compiler doesn't recompile corresponding .CPP file,
then the above compilation error will lurk untill full
rebuild. So, developer can continue with other tasks for a
long time without even knowing that there is an error.

Alex

[Bruno van Dooren [MVP VC++]]

Aren't you supposed to have 'stdafx.cpp' added to your project as

well as 'stdafx.h'? That's what should trigger re-creation of the
precompiled headers and further recompilation of the modules...

Or just turn them precompiled headers off (are they on?)

the precompiled header is generated through StdAfx.cpp.
only when that is recompiled, is the precompiled header re-generated.

If your cpp files do no include the changed header file directly, they will
not see the changes.
Rather, they will see what used to be in the header when StdAfx.cpp was last
compiled.

This is one of the gotchas of precompiled headers.
A full rebuild will solve this, since StdAfx will be compiled first.
Other than that you can only solve this by manually recompiling StdAfx.cpp
after a change.

--

Kind regards,
Bruno van Dooren
br**********************@hotmail.com
Remove only "_nos_pam"

[David Ching]

"Alex Blekhman" <xf**@oohay.mocwrote in message
news:OS**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...

It looks like quite dangerous decision. Protected members, while being
inaccessible, are perfectly visible for user's code and participate in
member call resolution. Access rights are apllied afterwards. For example:

Yes, you're right of course. I'm not sure how the decision of what to
compile is made in this instance, maybe VC++ handles it correctly. There
are times when I make changes, build my app, and the result crashes with a
disassembly window that doesn't match the source, or some other weird
result. Then I have to a Rebuild Solution in order to make sure everything
is in sync. So VC++ decision to compile certain things can and does get
confused at times. I'm sure we've all experienced this.

Thanks,
David (MVP)

[Alex Blekhman]

"David Ching" wrote:

[...] There are times when I make changes, build my app,
and the result crashes with a disassembly window that
doesn't match the source, or some other weird result.
Then I have to a Rebuild Solution in order to make sure
everything is in sync. So VC++ decision to compile
certain things can and does get confused at times. I'm
sure we've all experienced this.

Yes, this is well known problem in the project I currently
work on. We have quite a big amount of code and developers
already lost their faith in "Build" command. Almost
everybody does full rebuild after code sync and changes in
headers.

[Nathan Mates]

In article <e3**************@TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl>,
Alex Blekhman <xf**@oohay.mocwrote:

>Yes, this is well known problem in the project I currently work
on. We have quite a big amount of code and developers already lost
their faith in "Build" command. Almost everybody does full rebuild
after code sync and changes in headers.

Do you have minimal rebuild turned on? That's under right click on
project -Properties -C/C++ -Code Generation -Enable Minimal
Rebuild. If that's set to Yes, try flipping the setting.

Nathan Mates
--
<*Nathan Mates - personal webpage http://www.visi.com/~nathan/
# Programmer at Pandemic Studios -- http://www.pandemicstudios.com/
# NOT speaking for Pandemic Studios. "Care not what the neighbors
# think. What are the facts, and to how many decimal places?" -R.A. Heinlein

[Alex Blekhman]

"Nathan Mates" wrote:

>>Yes, this is well known problem in the project I currently
work
on. We have quite a big amount of code and developers
already lost
their faith in "Build" command. Almost everybody does full
rebuild
after code sync and changes in headers.

Do you have minimal rebuild turned on?

That's a good question. I'll check it when I'll get to
office.
Thanks