What VS to use Pro or Team System?

[schneider]

Hello, Everyone

We have 5 developers here using C#, developing Windows Forms apps and
webservices, we currently use VS2005 Pro and Visual Source Safe 4, but have
too many problems like Visual Source Safe issues, Performance with large
solutions, ...

Is Team System any good?
Sound like it wraps all the little pieces together nice, (Unit testing,
coverage, performance testing).

How does it compare to the third party pieces?
Cost factors?

What is VS package is everyone else using, and what kind of source control?

Also note, we have a Java team and they use CVS for source control and are
very happy with it. We are looking into possible CVS integration.

I have installed SP1, seems to have fixed a few items, but it's still very
slow, the designer just drags..

Thanks,

Schneider

[Chris Mullins [MVP]]

"schneider" <es********@starkinvestments.cemwrote

Is Team System any good?

I've talked to people who love it. I've talked to people who hate it. Both
seem to be generally rational and stable people. After using it for a while,
and talking to those folk, I think I'm in the "Wait for the next version"
camp.

Sound like it wraps all the little pieces together nice, (Unit testing,
coverage, performance testing).

That it does. I've just talked to too many people who were in the "well, it
works, but it's not quite as good as we had hoped for given the price.
Hopefully the next version should be great...".

How does it compare to the third party pieces?
Cost factors?

Depends on what you're looking for.

What is VS package is everyone else using, and what kind of source
control?

We use Visual Studio 2005 Pro, Sourcegear Vault is our source control
provider, and SourgeGear Dragnet is our bug tracking database. We do daily
builds using MS-Build. Unit Testing is with a home-grown product very
similar to (but completly different than) NUnit.

Bug Tracking and Source Code control are (to some degree) integrated.

We do have a single VS2005 TeamSuite license, so that we can do targeted
Itanium builds.

Also note, we have a Java team and they use CVS for source control and are
very happy with it. We are looking into possible CVS integration.

I don't know as I would use CVS at this point. Subversion seems to be a
viable candiate though.

I can tell you that we haven't had a single instance of source-code
corrutpion in all the time we've been using Vault. It's been great. The
Visual Studio integration is pretty good too.

I have installed SP1, seems to have fixed a few items, but it's still very
slow, the designer just drags..

Nothing is going to help that, unfortunatly. Well, expect for a
dual-processor quad-core system... :)

--
Chris Mullins, MCSD.NET, MCPD:Enterprise, MVP C#
http://www.coversant.net/blogs/cmullins

[schneider]

Thanks, Chris

Was hoping for feedback from more people, but maybe soon..

Schneider

"Chris Mullins [MVP]" <cm******@yahoo.comwrote in message
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"schneider" <es********@starkinvestments.cemwrote

>Is Team System any good?

I've talked to people who love it. I've talked to people who hate it. Both
seem to be generally rational and stable people. After using it for a
while, and talking to those folk, I think I'm in the "Wait for the next
version" camp.

>Sound like it wraps all the little pieces together nice, (Unit testing,
coverage, performance testing).

That it does. I've just talked to too many people who were in the "well,
it works, but it's not quite as good as we had hoped for given the price.
Hopefully the next version should be great...".

>How does it compare to the third party pieces?
Cost factors?

Depends on what you're looking for.

>What is VS package is everyone else using, and what kind of source
control?

We use Visual Studio 2005 Pro, Sourcegear Vault is our source control
provider, and SourgeGear Dragnet is our bug tracking database. We do daily
builds using MS-Build. Unit Testing is with a home-grown product very
similar to (but completly different than) NUnit.

Bug Tracking and Source Code control are (to some degree) integrated.

We do have a single VS2005 TeamSuite license, so that we can do targeted
Itanium builds.

>Also note, we have a Java team and they use CVS for source control and
are very happy with it. We are looking into possible CVS integration.

I don't know as I would use CVS at this point. Subversion seems to be a
viable candiate though.

I can tell you that we haven't had a single instance of source-code
corrutpion in all the time we've been using Vault. It's been great. The
Visual Studio integration is pretty good too.

>I have installed SP1, seems to have fixed a few items, but it's still
very slow, the designer just drags..

Nothing is going to help that, unfortunatly. Well, expect for a
dual-processor quad-core system... :)

--
Chris Mullins, MCSD.NET, MCPD:Enterprise, MVP C#
http://www.coversant.net/blogs/cmullins

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schneider wrote:

Hello, Everyone

We have 5 developers here using C#, developing Windows Forms apps and
webservices, we currently use VS2005 Pro and Visual Source Safe 4, but have
too many problems like Visual Source Safe issues, Performance with large
solutions, ...

Is Team System any good?
Sound like it wraps all the little pieces together nice, (Unit testing,
coverage, performance testing).

We currently use team system and enjoy it. It does wrap everything up
nicely as far as code coverage, unit testing etc. With that being said
you will have to install developer and tester edition on your machine
to get some of the features you would expect to have as a developer.
There are some issues with team system as far as preformance and
certain things not working as well as we would hope.

>
How does it compare to the third party pieces?
Cost factors? This is a little bit of a loaded question as you have workflow tools, bug tracking, and other features you do not have with source safe.

What is VS package is everyone else using, and what kind of source control?

We have used vault and source safe. We currently upgraded to TFS and it
has fixed a lot of issues we were having with other providers.

Also note, we have a Java team and they use CVS for source control and are
very happy with it. We are looking into possible CVS integration.

I am not sure about CVS integration.

I have installed SP1, seems to have fixed a few items, but it's still very
slow, the designer just drags..

VS seems to be a resource hog in general. I am developing on a machine
with 2gigs of ram and still have some dragging. Overall the concept of
Team System is great, however I would wait until another release for
the concepts to develop.

Thanks,

Schneider

[Cholo Lennon]

Also note, we have a Java team and they use CVS for source control and are

very happy with it. We are looking into possible CVS integration.

It seems to be old, but works ok with VS 7.1/8
http://www.jalindi.com/igloo/

Regards

--
Cholo Lennon
Bs.As.
ARG

"schneider" <es********@starkinvestments.cemwrote in message
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Hello, Everyone

We have 5 developers here using C#, developing Windows Forms apps and
webservices, we currently use VS2005 Pro and Visual Source Safe 4, but

have

too many problems like Visual Source Safe issues, Performance with large
solutions, ...

Is Team System any good?
Sound like it wraps all the little pieces together nice, (Unit testing,
coverage, performance testing).

How does it compare to the third party pieces?
Cost factors?

What is VS package is everyone else using, and what kind of source

control?

>
Also note, we have a Java team and they use CVS for source control and are
very happy with it. We are looking into possible CVS integration.

I have installed SP1, seems to have fixed a few items, but it's still very
slow, the designer just drags..

Thanks,

Schneider