Good book for an absolute beginner on VB.net or 2005 with databases

[weight gain 2000]

Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

[Michael Nemtsev]

Hello weight,

Two separate books - about VB2005 and ADO.net.
Not expert about VB2005 but classic .NET 2.0 for beginners is Troelsen "Pro
C# 2005 and the .NET 2.0 Platform"
http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/1590594...DEXZNBKYAEECR2
And this http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0735621...DEXZNBKYAEECR2
is not bad about ADO.NET for newbies

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"At times one remains faithful to a cause only because its opponents do not
cease to be insipid." (c) Friedrich Nietzsche

[RobinS]

A good book for an absolute beginner is Tim
Patrick's "Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005".
It doesn't emphasize databases, but you will learn
how to incorporate data access into your app. The
nice thing about this book is that you develop an
entire application while learning VB2005, rather
than ending up with a hundred little tiny apps
that each do one thing.

For data-only, check out William Vaughn's book,
"Hitchiker's Guide to Visual Studio and SQLServer".

Robin S.
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Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

[Tim]

The book _Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005_ shows you how to develop a
complete database application, and is designed for programmers just learning
VB2005.
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Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

[OHM]

Are you also an absolute beginner with databases as well ?, the only reason
I ask is that you may find it useful to install sql server on your machine
( if you dont already have it and do some tutorials from w3schools before
embarking on .NET )

http://www.w3schools.com/
HTH
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Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

[RobinS]

You know, if you're Tim Patrick, it's okay to
stump for your own book. Bill Vaughn
does it fairly incessantly (not that there's
anything wrong with that!). :-D

Robin S.
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The book _Start-to-Finish Visual Basic 2005_ shows you how to develop a
complete database application, and is designed for programmers just
learning VB2005.
"weight gain 2000" <we*****************@spam.gmail.comwrote in message
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>Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

[weight gain 2000]

"OHM" <lkjhlkjwrote:

Are you also an absolute beginner with databases as well ?, the
only reason I ask is that you may find it useful to install sql
server on your machine ( if you dont already have it and do
some tutorials from w3schools before embarking on .NET )

http://www.w3schools.com/

Oh, no not a problem, I'm quite computer literate myself. I'm
looking for a book for a friend of mine who is an absolute
beginner. The setup hassle, I will do it for him, no problem. I
just needed an introductory book and having no experience with
VB, I tought I should ask people who have prior experience.

Thanks for the interest!

[Kerry Moorman]

weight gain 2000,

Are you an experienced database programmer but an absolute beginner with the
particular tool, VB2005?

Or have you never written a line of code in any language?

Kerry Moorman
"weight gain 2000" wrote:

Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

[weight gain 2000]

Kerry Moorman wrote:

weight gain 2000,

Are you an experienced database programmer but an absolute
beginner with the particular tool, VB2005?

Or have you never written a line of code in any language?

Kerry Moorman

The person I'm willing to buy this book for has absolutely no
programming experience (well, maybe he did a bit of fortran as
part of his undergraduate courses but I consider this no
experience at all, and he admits not remembering anything at
all). He just wants to learn an easy way to program database
stuff (hence VB 2005 + databases)...

So, I'm looking for a good introductory book for him.

If your experience suggests something else, feel free to correct
me

[pvdg42]

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Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

Is your "absolute beginner" open to other means of learning programming
basics? If so, consider courses offered by local vocational-technical
institutions and/or community colleges, that often include courses in
VB.NET. That approach adds some structure to the learning process and
provides a source of assistance if difficulties are encountered. In
addition, your beginner may find that the IT department of a local
institution is a member of the MSDN Academic Alliance (MSDN AA) and that,
through MSDN AA, software such as VS 2005 is available at no cost.

[Kerry Moorman]

weight gain 2000,

In my opinion, your friend really needs to take one or two introductory
courses at a community/technical/undergraduate college.

The courses should cover the fundamental concepts of program design and
development that are common to all programming languages:

Algorithms
Variables
Sequence
Selection
Repetition
Code organization using procedures
Elementary data structures, such as arrays and structures
Code organization using classes and objects
Collections

I think an introductory course in database design is also very important,
even for experienced programmers who need to design a database structure as
part of their coding projects.

With this fundamental background as context, it might then be possible to
pick up specific Visual Basic skills from a book.

Kerry Moorman
"weight gain 2000" wrote:

Kerry Moorman wrote:

weight gain 2000,

Are you an experienced database programmer but an absolute
beginner with the particular tool, VB2005?

Or have you never written a line of code in any language?

Kerry Moorman

The person I'm willing to buy this book for has absolutely no
programming experience (well, maybe he did a bit of fortran as
part of his undergraduate courses but I consider this no
experience at all, and he admits not remembering anything at
all). He just wants to learn an easy way to program database
stuff (hence VB 2005 + databases)...

So, I'm looking for a good introductory book for him.

If your experience suggests something else, feel free to correct
me

[aaron.kempf]

kerry

are you a fucking idiot or a professor?

teach them 'ACCESS MACROS' they're all multiple choice; no programming
necessary and he would be productive starting in hour 1.

VB 2005 sure isn't flying off the shelves; so I wouldn't invest in YET
ANOTHER LANGUAGE THAT MICROSOFT WILL KILL OFF WHEN THEY GET BORED

-Aaron

Kerry Moorman wrote:

weight gain 2000,

In my opinion, your friend really needs to take one or two introductory
courses at a community/technical/undergraduate college.

The courses should cover the fundamental concepts of program design and
development that are common to all programming languages:

Algorithms
Variables
Sequence
Selection
Repetition
Code organization using procedures
Elementary data structures, such as arrays and structures
Code organization using classes and objects
Collections

I think an introductory course in database design is also very important,
even for experienced programmers who need to design a database structure as
part of their coding projects.

With this fundamental background as context, it might then be possible to
pick up specific Visual Basic skills from a book.

Kerry Moorman
"weight gain 2000" wrote:

Kerry Moorman wrote:

weight gain 2000,
>
Are you an experienced database programmer but an absolute
beginner with the particular tool, VB2005?
>
Or have you never written a line of code in any language?
>
Kerry Moorman

The person I'm willing to buy this book for has absolutely no
programming experience (well, maybe he did a bit of fortran as
part of his undergraduate courses but I consider this no
experience at all, and he admits not remembering anything at
all). He just wants to learn an easy way to program database
stuff (hence VB 2005 + databases)...

So, I'm looking for a good introductory book for him.

If your experience suggests something else, feel free to correct
me

[weight gain 2000]

pvdg42 wrote:

>
"weight gain 2000" <we*****************@spam.gmail.comwrote
in message news:OR**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...

>Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

Is your "absolute beginner" open to other means of learning
programming basics? If so, consider courses offered by local
vocational-technical institutions and/or community colleges,
that often include courses in VB.NET. That approach adds some
structure to the learning process and provides a source of
assistance if difficulties are encountered. In addition, your
beginner may find that the IT department of a local institution
is a member of the MSDN Academic Alliance (MSDN AA) and that,
through MSDN AA, software such as VS 2005 is available at no
cost.

I'm afraid he insists on a book he can get to whenever he feels
like or has time. He's already undergoing a postgraduate degree
on statistical medicine (or something like that) so he sees it
like a hobby to be learned at a very slow pace, using something
like a book.

[weight gain 2000]

Kerry Moorman wrote:

weight gain 2000,

In my opinion, your friend really needs to take one or two
introductory courses at a community/technical/undergraduate
college.

The courses should cover the fundamental concepts of program
design and development that are common to all programming
languages:

Algorithms
Variables
Sequence
Selection
Repetition
Code organization using procedures
Elementary data structures, such as arrays and structures
Code organization using classes and objects
Collections

I think an introductory course in database design is also very
important, even for experienced programmers who need to design
a database structure as part of their coding projects.

With this fundamental background as context, it might then be
possible to pick up specific Visual Basic skills from a book.

Kerry Moorman

You are absolutely right there. But what I gathered from him is
that he is not at all interested in learning how to implement a
b-tree but to "just get things done" (VB-style). This will
eventually mean that he will be using the ->sort() function of
some class rather than implementing his own crap like a fawlty
bubblesort. So what he needs to do is learn how to begin
creating an app in which you hit a button and says "hello".
(Just double-click on the button and type MessageBox "Hello" or
something, rather than learning whole stuff about class
inheritance, complex event handling, etc...)

[raj_pattel]

Hello

I recently learning VB.NET but move to Java instead. You can buy my
books cheap. Sorry for my english.

Raj

weight gain 2000 wrote:

Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

[Master Programmer]

Hi

You are probably best to avoid VB as there is much talk about it being
dropped in the next release of Visual Studio. Whenever someone
mentions it in these news groups, it seems to start a little flame war
for some reason. It may or may not be true, but I have a friend that
works at Redmond and he seems convinced that its very likely Visual
basic will be killed off soon. I guess that it's up to you to take the
gamble. Anyway good luck to your friend.

Steve

weight gain 2000 wrote:

Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

[RobinS]

This isn't true. I know someone who wrote a book who
works in Redmond, and he says it's not true.

Robin S.
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Hi

You are probably best to avoid VB as there is much talk about it being
dropped in the next release of Visual Studio. Whenever someone
mentions it in these news groups, it seems to start a little flame war
for some reason. It may or may not be true, but I have a friend that
works at Redmond and he seems convinced that its very likely Visual
basic will be killed off soon. I guess that it's up to you to take the
gamble. Anyway good luck to your friend.

Steve

weight gain 2000 wrote:

>Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

[raj_pattel]

Yes, that may become truth in future. Thats why I sell the VB books I
have becose afraid I to take the gamble chance. I learn Java now.

Raj

Master Programmer wrote:

Hi

You are probably best to avoid VB as there is much talk about it being
dropped in the next release of Visual Studio. Whenever someone
mentions it in these news groups, it seems to start a little flame war
for some reason. It may or may not be true, but I have a friend that
works at Redmond and he seems convinced that its very likely Visual
basic will be killed off soon. I guess that it's up to you to take the
gamble. Anyway good luck to your friend.

Steve

weight gain 2000 wrote:

Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

[RobinS]

Yeah, right, we know this is just an alias for aaron kempf.

Robin S.
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Yes, that may become truth in future. Thats why I sell the VB books I
have becose afraid I to take the gamble chance. I learn Java now.

Raj

Master Programmer wrote:

>Hi

You are probably best to avoid VB as there is much talk about it being
dropped in the next release of Visual Studio. Whenever someone
mentions it in these news groups, it seems to start a little flame war
for some reason. It may or may not be true, but I have a friend that
works at Redmond and he seems convinced that its very likely Visual
basic will be killed off soon. I guess that it's up to you to take the
gamble. Anyway good luck to your friend.

Steve

weight gain 2000 wrote:

Hello all!

I'm looking for a very good book for an absolute beginner on
VB.net or VB 2005 with emphasis on databases. What would you
reccommend?

Thanks!

[weight gain 2000]

Master Programmer wrote:

Hi

You are probably best to avoid VB as there is much talk about
it being
dropped in the next release of Visual Studio. Whenever someone
mentions it in these news groups, it seems to start a little
flame war
for some reason. It may or may not be true, but I have a
friend that works at Redmond and he seems convinced that its
very likely Visual basic will be killed off soon. I guess that
it's up to you to take the gamble. Anyway good luck to your
friend.

Hm... that is a bit serious but I think it's not going to hurt
him either way. He will always have VS2005 working (well, at
least for the next 4-5 years) so I don't think this is something
to worry him over.

If and when that happens, he can turn to another language, but he
will have an idea of what's going on, the basics about
programming....

By the way, is C# on par with VB considering ease of use and
learnability? Maybe we could direct him to C#, after all!

[RobinS]

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Master Programmer wrote:

>Hi

You are probably best to avoid VB as there is much talk about
it being
dropped in the next release of Visual Studio. Whenever someone
mentions it in these news groups, it seems to start a little
flame war
for some reason. It may or may not be true, but I have a
friend that works at Redmond and he seems convinced that its
very likely Visual basic will be killed off soon. I guess that
it's up to you to take the gamble. Anyway good luck to your
friend.

Hm... that is a bit serious but I think it's not going to hurt
him either way. He will always have VS2005 working (well, at
least for the next 4-5 years) so I don't think this is something
to worry him over.

If and when that happens, he can turn to another language, but he
will have an idea of what's going on, the basics about
programming....

By the way, is C# on par with VB considering ease of use and
learnability? Maybe we could direct him to C#, after all!

First, don't listen to this guy; he's just trying to cause
trouble.

Second, that's a loaded question. VB programmers think C# is
more difficult to read, and C# programmers think VB programmers
are nuts. The truth is, C# is more difficult. (Which one
do you think I use? ;-)

Robin S.