40  2341 
Copy from misc.news.internet.discuss (a little more info)...
Sounds hyperbolic, no? It's not. The House Commerce Committee is
likely to vote as early as Wednesday on legislation that would
essentially hand over the keys to the Internet to the giant telcos,
AT&T, Verizon, Time Warner, and Comcast.
It's hard to imagine that the Internet, that vast free-flowing world
of entertainment, enlightenment, education, and interaction could be
fettered, but under this legislation it very well could be. Internet
service provision in the U.S. is covered by telecommunications law,
and has operated under the idea of "network neutrality." In it's early
years, telephone companies provided most Web service, and carried most
of the traffic. Because of the nature of laws regulating phone
service, Web traffic was handled just like phone traffic, each "call"
being equal. That means every page you surf to on the Internet is
served up just like any other, as far as your ISP is concerned. You
can go from Amazon.com to Aunt Harriet's family history blog equally.
Here's what's at stake with this legislation.
The nation's largest telephone and cable companies -- including
AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and Time Warner -- want to be Internet
gatekeepers, deciding which Web sites go fast or slow and which won't
load at all.
They want to tax content providers to guarantee speedy delivery of
their data. They want to discriminate in favor of their own search
engines, Internet phone services, and streaming video -- while slowing
down or blocking their competitors. . . .
On the Internet, consumers are in ultimate control -- deciding
between content, applications and services available anywhere, no
matter who owns the network. There's no middleman. But without net
neutrality, the Internet will look more like cable TV. Network owners
will decide which channels, content and applications are available;
consumers will have to choose from their menu.
The Internet has always been driven by innovation. Web sites and
services succeeded or failed on their own merit. Without net
neutrality, decisions now made collectively by millions of users will
be made in corporate boardrooms. The choice we face now is whether
people can choose the content and services they want, or whether the
broadband barons will choose for them.
That does seem like so much speculation, doesn't it. But this scenario
isn't unprecedented. Consider these examples from the Save the
Internet Coalition:
* In 2004, North Carolina ISP Madison River blocked their DSL
customers from using any rival Web-based phone service.
* In 2005, Canada's telephone giant Telus blocked customers
from visiting a Web site sympathetic to the Telecommunications Workers
Union during a labor dispute.
* Shaw, a big Canadian cable TV company, is charging an extra
$10 a month to subscribers who want to use a competing Internet
telephone service.
* In April, Time Warner's AOL blocked all emails that
mentioned www.dearaol.com -- an advocacy campaign opposing the
company's pay-to-send e-mail scheme.
Still think it's not going to happen? That these companies wouldn't
dare to alienate the entire Internet-using community? Well, think
about how much fun it is to deal with Comcast for your cable, and how
much flexibility they're willing to offer. Also consider this comment
from Edward Whiteacre, CEO of SBC Comm., when he was asked about how
concerned he was about losing ground to Internet upstarts:
How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a
broadband pipe. Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they
would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them
do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a
return on it. So there's going to have to be some mechanism for these
people who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using. Why
should they be allowed to use my pipes?
The Internet can't be free in that sense, because we and the cable
companies have made an investment and for a Google or Yahoo! (YHOO) or
Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes [for] free is nuts!
It's not about the customer, you see, it's about their profits. So if
a giant retailer like Barnes and Noble wanted to screw the
competition, they could pay the right ISPs, the right networks, and
make sure that traffic to a site like Powells.com would run much
slower. Or they could guarantee one Internet search engine that their
engine would run much faster than anothers. If one of the network
providers developed a music service, they could slow down your access
to iTunes. Non-profits could be squeezed off of the Internet if they
couldn't pay for the "fast-lane" of Internet service.
You can find out much more about the legislation, how bloggers are
reacting, and how various organizations are reacting at Save the
Internet. Additionally, Matt Stoller at MyDD has been doing yeoman's
work following this issue. You can see his quick run-down here.
You can also act. Write to Congress and sign the petition. http://www.savetheinternet.com/ http://mydd.com/story/2006/4/24/123726/983 http://action.freepress.net/campaign/savethenet
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:40:41 -0400, "Mark G. Meyers"
<mg******@bellsouth.net> wrote:
in <#Q**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> http://www.savetheinternet.com
There is more info and A PETITION at moveon...
Easy to sign and give your two cents (and to your own reps in the process).
http://civic.moveon.org/alerts/savetheinternet.html
There's a nice quick video of what this bill means to you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9jHO...page=1&t=t&f=b
Didn't think it was real? We've witnessed the deregulation of mainstream
media behemoths from 1996 to the present. They can own your town if they
like; in TV and in print. The internet is next.
Spread the word if you are so inclined. This is a good time for last minute
emailings. TIA -
Mark
Get a copy of the COPE bill:
http://static.publicknowledge.org/pd...ecom-print.pdf
This is very disturbing. If something like this were to actually come
to pass, I'd have no problem with turning off every computer, phone
line, and cable line and just playing my pianos for the next thirty
years.
My wife and I turned off the TV about 10 years ago since there's nothing
of any value to be seen anyway.
---
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties and no guarantees either express or implied.
Stefan Berglund
The way things are going, I wouldnt be surprised if we have to type
"God Bless America" in every post/Email along with a waiver that I give
up my rights to sue if someone reads my email.
---
Ajay
"Mark G. Meyers" <mg******@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... http://www.savetheinternet.com
There is more info and A PETITION at moveon...
Easy to sign and give your two cents (and to your own reps in the
process).
http://civic.moveon.org/alerts/savetheinternet.html
SPAM that has no place here or in any of the groups you've crossposted to.
The only moveon.org petition I'd sign would be one to shut their site down
for good.
--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - Please keep all discussions in the groups..
DLL Hell problems? Try ComGuard - http://www.vbsight.com/ComGuard.htm
Perhaps you should *start* reading what it is about before jumping on
MoveOn's bandwagon.
---
Ajay
"Ajay Kalra" <aj*******@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11**********************@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... Perhaps you should *start* reading what it is about before jumping on
MoveOn's bandwagon.
---
Ajay
Perhaps you should explain exactly what good it does to post political
topics to a developer newsgroup in the first place. Actually, skip that.
It'll just keep this thread alive.
btw. I'm not on MoveOn's "bandwagon"... if anyone here is, it's you and the
OP. MoveOn, as well as this thread and its presence in a VB developer group,
should just move on.
EOT (filter set)
--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - Please keep all discussions in the groups..
DLL Hell problems? Try ComGuard - http://www.vbsight.com/ComGuard.htm
As Jimi Hendrix used to say "You can't believe everything you see and hear,
can you?"
As Dr. (Happy) Harry Cox once said "There's a seeker born every minute!"
As Ken Halter said, "SPAM that has no place here or in any of the groups
you've crossposted to."
Keep the politics to political forums. You only weaken your case by
practicing bad Netiquette like this.
Why is this Bad Netiquette (I could see that one coming a mile away)?
Netiquette is a set of guidelines devloped by common agreeement in
recognition of problems that arise when certain practices occur. In this
case, I'll skip the lecture on cross-posting, and go straight to the issue
of posting politics in a technology newsgroup.
One of the best measures of the virtue or evil of any practice is "what
would happen if everyone did it?" After all, if it's okay for you, it's okay
for everyone. Now, people come here to get help with technology. Imagine if
this newsgroup were "liberally" sprinkled with political opinions and God
knows what else; after all, if politics is okay in a technology forum, what
isn't?
The end result would be that nobody would use this newsgroup to get help,
except for a desparate few. It would take forever to even *find* the help
one needed, buried, as it were, in a mountain of SPAM and Balderdash.
So, before you go saying to me "I have a right, because this is really
*important* - remember that what is important to one person may be trivial
to another. After all, we all die, and then what is important? Certainly not
all that garbage we considered important when we were alive. So, what you're
really doing is rationalizing what you would know (if you cared enough to
think about it) is wrong, and being quite selfish in the process.
Ultimately, what is important is the quality of one's life, and while one
cannot control the actions of others, one can control one's own actions - if
one is willing. And the more people who do so, the easier life will be on
all of us.
Now, be off!
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Professional Numbskull
Hard work is a medication for which
there is no placebo.
"Ajay Kalra" <aj*******@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11*********************@i39g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com... The way things are going, I wouldnt be surprised if we have to type
"God Bless America" in every post/Email along with a waiver that I give
up my rights to sue if someone reads my email.
---
Ajay
Perhaps you should improve your reading comprehension skills before blurting
out something untrue in kneejerk, MoveOn style.
I'm pretty sure that Ken is nowhere near being on MoveOn's bandwagon.
Bob Lehmann
"Ajay Kalra" <aj*******@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:11**********************@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com... Perhaps you should *start* reading what it is about before jumping on
MoveOn's bandwagon.
---
Ajay
> I'm pretty sure that Ken is nowhere near being on MoveOn's bandwagon.
What are you, his spokesperson?
If you think its spam it will help if you *dont* respond.
--
Ajay Kalra [MVP - VC++] aj*******@yahoo.com
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:05:07 -0400, "Ajay Kalra" <aj*******@yahoo.com>
wrote:
in <uz**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> I'm pretty sure that Ken is nowhere near being on MoveOn's bandwagon.
What are you, his spokesperson?
If you think its spam it will help if you *dont* respond.
Sorry dude, but in spite of the fact that I replied (emotionally) to
your initial post these types of discussions have no place in technology
groups. I've sent a letter to my congressperson for whatever good that
may do, but please go away now since this discussion really doesn't
belong here.
Consider yourself amply warned, in fact, please FOAD since no one wants
to be depressed any further than they've already been as a result of
what m$ has already thrust down everyone's throats. Bye now.
Hey - just a thought, but once m$ takes over the Internet <gag ;-(>, do
you think anyone will want to use it any longer?
---
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties and no guarantees either express or implied.
Stefan Berglund
[snip]
Screw all that. Let's talk about bears now:
--------------------------------------------
A priest, a Pentecostal preacher and a Rabbi all served as chaplains to the
students of Northern Michigan University in Marquette. They would get
together two or three times a week for coffee and to talk shop.
One day, someone made the comment that preaching to people isn't really all
that hard. A real challenge would be to preach to a bear.
One thing led to another and they decided to do an experiment they would all
go out into the woods, find a bear, preach to it, and attempt to convert it.
Seven days later, they're all together to discuss the experience.
Father Flannery, who has his arm in a sling, is on crutches, and has various
bandages, goes first. "Well," he says, "I went into the woods to find me a
bear. And when I found him I began to read to him from the Catechism. Well,
that bear wanted nothing to do with me and began to slap me around. So I
quickly grabbed my ! holy wa ter, sprinkled him and, Holy Mary Mother of
God, he became s gentle a lamb. The bishop is coming out next week to give
him first communion and confirmation."
Reverend Billy Bob spoke next. He was in a wheelchair, with an arm and both
legs in casts, and an IV drip. In his best fire and brimstone oratory he
claimed, "WELL brothers, you KNOW that we don't sprinkle! I went OUT and I
FOUND me a bear. And then I began to READ to my bear from God's HOLY WORD!
But that bear wanted NOTHING to do with me. So I took HOLD of him and we
began to wrestle. We wrestled DOWN one hill, UP another and DOWN another
until we came to a creek. So I quick DUNKED him and BAPTIZED his hairy soul.
And just like you said, he BECAME as gentle as a LAMB. We spent the rest of
the day PRAISING JESUS."
They both looked down at the rabbi, who was lying in a hospital bed. He was
in a body cast and traction with IV's and monitors running in and out of
him. He was in bad shape.
The rabbi looks up and says, "Looking back on it, circumcision may not have
been the best way to start."
-- Ed.
-----------------------------------------------------
"Want fly with that odor?"
- Chinee McDonald
"Want flies with your odor?"
- Japanese McDonald's
-----------------------------------------------------
Hi,
Is there a way in MFC to bypass the ISP filters? Maybe Microsoft has a
hidden class:
CBypassISP bp;
bp.Initalize(
_T("Comcast"), BPISP_FASTMODE | BPISP_NOHOPS, &ErrorHandler );
bp.AttachDataStream( &myDataPipe );
bp.Send();
Will this work?
Stefan Berglund wrote: On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 22:05:07 -0400, "Ajay Kalra" <aj*******@yahoo.com>
wrote:
in <uz**************@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>
I'm pretty sure that Ken is nowhere near being on MoveOn's bandwagon.
What are you, his spokesperson?
If you think its spam it will help if you *dont* respond.
Sorry dude, but in spite of the fact that I replied (emotionally) to
your initial post these types of discussions have no place in technology
groups. I've sent a letter to my congressperson for whatever good that
may do, but please go away now since this discussion really doesn't
belong here.
Consider yourself amply warned, in fact, please FOAD since no one wants
to be depressed any further than they've already been as a result of
what m$ has already thrust down everyone's throats. Bye now.
Hey - just a thought, but once m$ takes over the Internet <gag ;-(>, do
you think anyone will want to use it any longer?
---
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties and no guarantees either express or implied.
Stefan Berglund
ROTFL...
Tom
"Ed Weir (ComCast)" <An**@Maus.duh> wrote in message
news:pe******************************@comcast.com. .. [snip]
Screw all that. Let's talk about bears now:
--------------------------------------------
A priest, a Pentecostal preacher and a Rabbi all served as chaplains to
the
students of Northern Michigan University in Marquette. They would get
together two or three times a week for coffee and to talk shop.
One day, someone made the comment that preaching to people isn't really
all
that hard. A real challenge would be to preach to a bear.
One thing led to another and they decided to do an experiment they would
all
go out into the woods, find a bear, preach to it, and attempt to convert
it.
Seven days later, they're all together to discuss the experience.
Father Flannery, who has his arm in a sling, is on crutches, and has
various
bandages, goes first. "Well," he says, "I went into the woods to find me a
bear. And when I found him I began to read to him from the Catechism.
Well,
that bear wanted nothing to do with me and began to slap me around. So I
quickly grabbed my ! holy wa ter, sprinkled him and, Holy Mary Mother of
God, he became s gentle a lamb. The bishop is coming out next week to give
him first communion and confirmation."
Reverend Billy Bob spoke next. He was in a wheelchair, with an arm and
both
legs in casts, and an IV drip. In his best fire and brimstone oratory he
claimed, "WELL brothers, you KNOW that we don't sprinkle! I went OUT and I
FOUND me a bear. And then I began to READ to my bear from God's HOLY WORD!
But that bear wanted NOTHING to do with me. So I took HOLD of him and we
began to wrestle. We wrestled DOWN one hill, UP another and DOWN another
until we came to a creek. So I quick DUNKED him and BAPTIZED his hairy
soul.
And just like you said, he BECAME as gentle as a LAMB. We spent the rest
of
the day PRAISING JESUS."
They both looked down at the rabbi, who was lying in a hospital bed. He
was
in a body cast and traction with IV's and monitors running in and out of
him. He was in bad shape.
The rabbi looks up and says, "Looking back on it, circumcision may not
have
been the best way to start."
Ken Halter wrote: "Ajay Kalra" <aj*******@yahoo.com> wrote ... Perhaps you should *start* reading what it is about before jumping on
MoveOn's bandwagon.
Perhaps you should explain exactly what good it does to post political
topics to a developer newsgroup in the first place.
It's only political in a peripheral way, really. There are insideous things
in the works; things no developer, or any other "common" internet user, will
enjoy if they come to fruition. Developers have the ability to influence at
a different level than many, and this is a topic they should at least be
aware of. http://www.google.com/search?q=%22network+neutrality%22
Don't let the MoveOn support cloud the issue. They're a very small part of
what should be, and is becoming, a much larger movement here.
--
Working without a .NET? http://classicvb.org/
> It's only political in a peripheral way, really
Thank you.
---
Ajay
No, it is by definition political in every way.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Professional Numbskull
Hard work is a medication for which
there is no placebo.
"Karl E. Peterson" <ka**@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... Ken Halter wrote: "Ajay Kalra" <aj*******@yahoo.com> wrote ... Perhaps you should *start* reading what it is about before jumping on
MoveOn's bandwagon.
Perhaps you should explain exactly what good it does to post political
topics to a developer newsgroup in the first place.
It's only political in a peripheral way, really. There are insideous
things
in the works; things no developer, or any other "common" internet user,
will
enjoy if they come to fruition. Developers have the ability to influence
at
a different level than many, and this is a topic they should at least be
aware of.
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22network+neutrality%22
Don't let the MoveOn support cloud the issue. They're a very small part
of
what should be, and is becoming, a much larger movement here.
--
Working without a .NET?
http://classicvb.org/
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 17:12:00 -0400, "Kevin Spencer"
<ke***@DIESPAMMERSDIEtakempis.com> wrote:
in <e2**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl> No, it is by definition political in every way.
Regardless, I'd like to apologize to Ajay for my outburst. It was
uncalled for. This is a sensitive subject certainly and the only feeble
excuse I can offer is that I'm still reeling from the conscious decision
by m$ to remove VB6 from circulation while leaving VB6 developers with
no feasible migration path forward.
I'm just starting to feel even more squeezed.
Mea culpa.
---
Stefan Berglund
Kevin Spencer wrote: No, it is by definition political in every way.
By definition??? I'm not really interested in arguing it, but wtf can you
possibly mean by that?
--
Working without a .NET? http://classicvb.org/ <-- WARNING: Politics!!!
In article <#Q**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>, mg******@bellsouth.net says... http://www.savetheinternet.com
There is more info and A PETITION at moveon...
More one-sided info, I daresay we can assume.
Anyone want to join my campaign to save our roads by letting bicycles
go in the fast lane? Can we permit corporate oil interests to take
over the very roads we rely upon for our (foam, rant)?
- Gerry Quinn
"Ed Weir (ComCast)" <An**@Maus.duh> wrote in message The rabbi looks up and says, "Looking back on it, circumcision may not
have
been the best way to start."
Pwned
--
- Mark Randall http://www.temporal-solutions.co.uk
"We're Systems and Networks..."
"It's our job to know..."
> By definition??? I'm not really interested in arguing it, but wtf can you possibly mean by that?
From the Dictionary definition of "political" -
1. Of, relating to, or dealing with the structure or affairs of
government, politics, or the state.
2. Relating to, involving, or characteristic of politics or politicians:
"Calling a meeting is a political act in itself" (Daniel Goleman).
3. Relating to or involving acts regarded as damaging to a government or
state: political crimes.
4. Interested or active in politics: I'm not a very political person.
5. Having or influenced by partisan interests: The court should never
become a political institution.
6. Based on or motivated by partisan or self-serving objectives: a purely
political decision.
Any message whose subject matter is related to the process of changing laws
or influencing governmental authorities, whether that message is an indirect
or direct endorsement of political action, is, by definition, political.
That includes not only messages which directly endorse political action, but
also messages that purport to make people "aware" of some situation which
the author feels needs political participation to address. The latter case
is a form of advertising, or, to put it in UseNet terms, SPAM. Political
SPAM.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Professional Numbskull
Hard work is a medication for which
there is no placebo.
"Karl E. Peterson" <ka**@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:uy**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... Kevin Spencer wrote: No, it is by definition political in every way.
By definition??? I'm not really interested in arguing it, but wtf can you
possibly mean by that?
--
Working without a .NET?
http://classicvb.org/ <-- WARNING: Politics!!!
> Anyone want to join my campaign to save our roads by letting bicycles go in the fast lane? Can we permit corporate oil interests to take
over the very roads we rely upon for our (foam, rant)?
Good point, Gerry.
What people don't seem to understand about politics is that the purpose of
any government is to interfere in the private lives and control the
decision-making process of individuals by threat of force. By definition,
that entails the reduction of liberty. While government is necessary, it is
not desirable. Where on earth do people get the idea that "politcal
activism" is a good thing? In my short lifetime, I've seen so many
restrictions added to the private lives of individuals in this country it
makes my head spin. We seem to have been taught that personal responsibility
is a bad thing. If I am suffering, it is not my responsibility to overcome
the situation; we need more laws to protect me! However, one thing
programming has taught me is that solving a problem is the process of
dealing with the conditions that exist and overcoming them, not trying to
change the parameters within which a problem exists.
Life is like a game. Changing the rules of the game only makes it more
complicated. It does nothing to help one win. It simply makes the game
harder to play, for everyone playing. Winning is achieved by working within
whatever the set or conditions is, and achieving a solution, regardless of
the conditions. When life gives you lemons, you make lemonade.
And while these philosophical points may be debated, a technical support
forum is not the place to debate them. Nor is it a place for political
debate or activism.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Professional Numbskull
Hard work is a medication for which
there is no placebo.
"Gerry Quinn" <ge****@DELETETHISindigo.ie> wrote in message
news:MP************************@news1.eircom.net.. . In article <#Q**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl>,
mg******@bellsouth.net says...
http://www.savetheinternet.com
There is more info and A PETITION at moveon...
More one-sided info, I daresay we can assume.
Anyone want to join my campaign to save our roads by letting bicycles
go in the fast lane? Can we permit corporate oil interests to take
over the very roads we rely upon for our (foam, rant)?
- Gerry Quinn
"Mark Randall" <mark[__OKTHISISFAKE_]yr@REMOVETHISgoogle.ANDTHIScom> wrote
in message news:Ox**************@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
| "Ed Weir (ComCast)" <An**@Maus.duh> wrote in message
| > The rabbi looks up and says, "Looking back on it, circumcision may not
| > have
| > been the best way to start."
|
| Pwned
Huh?
|
| --
| - Mark Randall
| http://www.temporal-solutions.co.uk
|
| "We're Systems and Networks..."
| "It's our job to know..."
|
|
"Ed Weir (ComCast)" wrote: Huh?
Thats the young-un way of saying 'owned', 'beaten' or otherwise 'destroyed'.
--
- Mark Randall http://www.temporal-solutions.co.uk
"We're Systems and Networks..."
"It's our job to know..."
Kevin Spencer wrote: By definition??? I'm not really interested in arguing it, but wtf
can you possibly mean by that?
<snip> , or, to put it in UseNet terms, SPAM. Political SPAM.
I dunno what group you're reading this in, but I'm seeing it in a
"general.discussion" group, and I think your problem is really more to do
with excessive crossposting than anything else.
Or, to put it in UseNet terms, BITE ME!
--
Working without a .NET? http://classicvb.org/
Yes, it was cross-posted, which is a very bad idea.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Professional Numbskull
Hard work is a medication for which
there is no placebo.
"Karl E. Peterson" <ka**@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:ub**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... Kevin Spencer wrote: By definition??? I'm not really interested in arguing it, but wtf
can you possibly mean by that?
<snip> , or, to put it in UseNet terms, SPAM. Political SPAM.
I dunno what group you're reading this in, but I'm seeing it in a
"general.discussion" group, and I think your problem is really more to do
with excessive crossposting than anything else.
Or, to put it in UseNet terms, BITE ME!
--
Working without a .NET?
http://classicvb.org/
On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:21:14 -0400, "Kevin Spencer"
<ke***@DIESPAMMERSDIEtakempis.com> wrote: Yes, it was cross-posted, which is a very bad idea.
Cross Posting is good
- but only when the NGs are closely related
And looking at the list of NGs that this will go to
- it is more like Spam-Posting
> Cross Posting is good - but only when the NGs are closely related
Agreed, also depending on the type of newsgroup. I tend to lurk only in
support newsgroups, where cross-posting is very bad. The reason being, when
a question is answered in one group, in other groups people will often waste
a lot of time answering it again.
--
HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Professional Numbskull
Hard work is a medication for which
there is no placebo.
"J French" <er*****@nowhere.uk> wrote in message
news:44***************@news.btopenworld.com... On Thu, 27 Apr 2006 13:21:14 -0400, "Kevin Spencer"
<ke***@DIESPAMMERSDIEtakempis.com> wrote:
Yes, it was cross-posted, which is a very bad idea.
Cross Posting is good
- but only when the NGs are closely related
And looking at the list of NGs that this will go to
- it is more like Spam-Posting
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:31:45 -0400, "Kevin Spencer"
<ke***@DIESPAMMERSDIEtakempis.com> wrote: Cross Posting is good
- but only when the NGs are closely related
Agreed, also depending on the type of newsgroup. I tend to lurk only in
support newsgroups, where cross-posting is very bad. The reason being, when
a question is answered in one group, in other groups people will often waste
a lot of time answering it again.
Surely you mean Multi-Posting
- that is so annoying - you answer the question then move onto the
next NG and find it better answered
Cross-Posting is optimal
- provided the NGs are related
Otherwise it leads to interlingual battles <g><g>
> Surely you mean Multi-Posting
Quite often it amounts to the same thing.
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Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Professional Numbskull
Hard work is a medication for which
there is no placebo.
"J French" <er*****@nowhere.uk> wrote in message
news:44****************@news.btopenworld.com... On Fri, 28 Apr 2006 08:31:45 -0400, "Kevin Spencer"
<ke***@DIESPAMMERSDIEtakempis.com> wrote:
Cross Posting is good
- but only when the NGs are closely related
Agreed, also depending on the type of newsgroup. I tend to lurk only in
support newsgroups, where cross-posting is very bad. The reason being,
when
a question is answered in one group, in other groups people will often
waste
a lot of time answering it again.
Surely you mean Multi-Posting
- that is so annoying - you answer the question then move onto the
next NG and find it better answered
Cross-Posting is optimal
- provided the NGs are related
Otherwise it leads to interlingual battles <g><g>
Kevin Spencer wrote: Surely you mean Multi-Posting
Quite often it amounts to the same thing.
Scenario?
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Same message. Multiple places.
--
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Professional Numbskull
Hard work is a medication for which
there is no placebo.
"Karl E. Peterson" <ka**@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:Op**************@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl... Kevin Spencer wrote: Surely you mean Multi-Posting
Quite often it amounts to the same thing.
Scenario?
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I am sure you know there are significant differnces between the two.
One wastes bandwidth (multi-post) and the other does not. This is in
addition to that replying to a cross post is different than doing so
for a multi post.
Here is more: http://www.blakjak.demon.co.uk/mul_crss.htm
It appears your problem here is strictly cross-posting.
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Ajay
Kevin Spencer wrote: "Karl E. Peterson" wrote ... Kevin Spencer wrote: Surely you mean Multi-Posting
Quite often it amounts to the same thing.
Scenario?
Same message. Multiple places.
That's certainly not the same thing. You must realize that a message is
comprised of more than the text you read. Do you honestly fail to
comprehend the differences between multi- and cross-posting?
As a follow-up, you state that you see these as "quite often" the same
thing. Playing along, that implies there are situations where _you_ see
them as different. What might those be?
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Yes, I said "quite often" because they both often result in the same
consequences.
I'm not interested in any debate about this. I just don't have the time, nor
see any point in doing so.
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HTH,
Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Professional Numbskull
Hard work is a medication for which
there is no placebo.
"Karl E. Peterson" <ka**@mvps.org> wrote in message
news:em**************@TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... Kevin Spencer wrote: "Karl E. Peterson" wrote ... Kevin Spencer wrote:
> Surely you mean Multi-Posting
Quite often it amounts to the same thing.
Scenario?
Same message. Multiple places.
That's certainly not the same thing. You must realize that a message is
comprised of more than the text you read. Do you honestly fail to
comprehend the differences between multi- and cross-posting?
As a follow-up, you state that you see these as "quite often" the same
thing. Playing along, that implies there are situations where _you_ see
them as different. What might those be?
--
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http://classicvb.org/
Kevin Spencer wrote: "Karl E. Peterson" wrote: Kevin Spencer wrote: "Karl E. Peterson" wrote ...
Kevin Spencer wrote:
>> Surely you mean Multi-Posting
>
> Quite often it amounts to the same thing.
Scenario?
Same message. Multiple places.
That's certainly not the same thing. You must realize that a
message is comprised of more than the text you read. Do you
honestly fail to comprehend the differences between multi- and
cross-posting?
As a follow-up, you state that you see these as "quite often" the
same thing. Playing along, that implies there are situations where
_you_ see them as different. What might those be?
Yes, I said "quite often" because they both often result in the same
consequences.
Oh! So, earlier, when you said "same thing", what you _really_ meant was
"same consequences", then? Are you a developer, Kevin? Do you find these
phrases to be interchangable?
I'm game. What "consequences" are you referring to? Honest question. No
debate.
I'm not interested in any debate about this. I just don't have the
time, nor see any point in doing so.
It's hard to argue for claims that have no basis in fact, agreed.
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