how do you train web developers about user controls instead of includes

[William Ryan]

Well, that depends.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/0672320681/qid=1056861878/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-7953039-
7491213?v=glance&s=books Is a must read IMHO for any
ASP.NET developer. www.dotnetjunkies.com and their book
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/0672321068/ref=lib_dp_TFCV/002-7953039-7491213?
v=glance&s=books&vi=reader#reader-link is another great
resource.

Don't think you can really get into ASP.NET without at
least a fair understanding of .NET. Syntax is basically
irrelevant, understand how things work and why is 95% of
the battle. You can get into a lot of trouble if you
don't understand what's going on under the hood, b/c
stuff that works great on a developers machine might have
a lot of flaws which you will only find out about once
people start banging on your server.

Security is a whole different beast, and these days, one
you should take very seriously. A good working knowledge
of IIS is a must. Furhtermore, you will want all data
access to be done via stored procs unless you are ready
to write a ton of validation code to minimize attack
vulnerabilities that every script kiddie in the country
knows about by now.

Since I've started, I've read an entire book on just the
DataGrid, DataList and Repeater controls, and there are
many out there on creating custom controls. There's a
lot to it. If you look at www.dotnetjunkies.com there's
a great article featured about creating a custom date
picker that should give you a decent feel for how things
work.

My experience has been that building ASP.NET apps is a
walk in the park vs old ASP, but building good ones takes
a little more work. It's worth it though.

Buy a couple of books (The ones above saved me more than
a few times, but there are many many other great books
out there.) Search the web. Play around. And have your
developers get comfortable with .NET, particularly
ADO.NET (David Sceppa's book on ADO.NET, Francesco
Balena's VB.NET Book, John Connell's book on Programming
practices and Jeffrey Richters book on .Net all by MS
Press are among the other 'Must Haves')

Good Luck,

Bill

-----Original Message-----
We as a development team have 2 programmers who understand (well, arelearning to understand) .NET. The other few people we have buildwebsites, but they are not programmers. We have taken the time andeffort to teach them about includes (which we used extensively inclassic asp). However, we're starting to construct sites using .NETinstead. How have others found this process - retraining people tocreate user controls instead of using the out-dated idea of includefiles?

Sincerely,

Bryan Ax
.

[Bryan Ax]

I think my message was unclear - the programmers who will actually
program data-driven portions of websites are comfortable with all of
the things you describe below. It's the other web developers, who, in
the templates they create, like to use include files for their headers
and footers, that type of thing - we somehow need to get them to
accept user controls (which we the programmers know how to develop),
and implement them. That's the battle. Any suggestions?
"William Ryan" <do********@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<00****************************@phx.gbl>...

Well, that depends.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/0672320681/qid=1056861878/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-7953039-
7491213?v=glance&s=books Is a must read IMHO for any
ASP.NET developer. www.dotnetjunkies.com and their book
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-
/0672321068/ref=lib_dp_TFCV/002-7953039-7491213?
v=glance&s=books&vi=reader#reader-link is another great
resource.

Don't think you can really get into ASP.NET without at
least a fair understanding of .NET. Syntax is basically
irrelevant, understand how things work and why is 95% of
the battle. You can get into a lot of trouble if you
don't understand what's going on under the hood, b/c
stuff that works great on a developers machine might have
a lot of flaws which you will only find out about once
people start banging on your server.

Security is a whole different beast, and these days, one
you should take very seriously. A good working knowledge
of IIS is a must. Furhtermore, you will want all data
access to be done via stored procs unless you are ready
to write a ton of validation code to minimize attack
vulnerabilities that every script kiddie in the country
knows about by now.

Since I've started, I've read an entire book on just the
DataGrid, DataList and Repeater controls, and there are
many out there on creating custom controls. There's a
lot to it. If you look at www.dotnetjunkies.com there's
a great article featured about creating a custom date
picker that should give you a decent feel for how things
work.

My experience has been that building ASP.NET apps is a
walk in the park vs old ASP, but building good ones takes
a little more work. It's worth it though.

Buy a couple of books (The ones above saved me more than
a few times, but there are many many other great books
out there.) Search the web. Play around. And have your
developers get comfortable with .NET, particularly
ADO.NET (David Sceppa's book on ADO.NET, Francesco
Balena's VB.NET Book, John Connell's book on Programming
practices and Jeffrey Richters book on .Net all by MS
Press are among the other 'Must Haves')

Good Luck,

Bill

-----Original Message-----
We as a development team have 2 programmers who

understand (well, are

learning to understand) .NET. The other few people we

have build

websites, but they are not programmers. We have taken

the time and

effort to teach them about includes (which we used

extensively in

classic asp). However, we're starting to construct sites

using .NET

instead. How have others found this process - retraining

people to

create user controls instead of using the out-dated idea

of include

files?

Sincerely,

Bryan Ax
.