Does MS get the Middle Tier ?

[Jules]

Sorry for being contentious title, but I am confused and concerned over the
level of MS infrastructure support to the business logic layer.

MS have great support to Web services, for EAI and B2B Integration, ASP for
Web pages. We also have SQL Server, ADO, data sets etc for great Data
services layer.

Unfortunalely most of the Architectural (Patterns, papers, Samples etc)
emphasis seem to be biased torwards web based applications and services
closely connected to databases, with little in the way of rich Business logic.

Now MS has a great .NET environment for general OO development, but when it
comes to Enterprise level Infrastructure support we are still stuck with
COM+/ .Enterprise services infrastructure (Load Balancing, Queued
copmponents/Events, Transactions.) It is a frustrating experience to weld
the .NET enviromment with COM+, the interoperability and deployment hassles
(COM+ reistration) is not convincing for hardcore enterprise Business
applicaitons.

Sorry but I don't see much in Indigo that is improving the situation for
middle tier infrastructure support. Can someone suggest the main MS
architecture patterns, technologies and samples I should be looking at to
help us out.

It may be difficult to develop a native .NET infrastructure to replace COM+,
but I know MS have the capabilities to sort this. That is why it seems so
frustrating to me.

Jules

[Martin Kulov]

Hi Jules,
check out Microsoft Patterns and Practices [1]

[1] www.microsoft.com/patterns

HTH,

--
Martin Kulov
http://www.codeattest.com

MCAD Charter Member
MCSD.NET Early Achiever
MCSD

"Jules" <Ju***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:91**********************************@microsof t.com...

Sorry for being contentious title, but I am confused and concerned over the level of MS infrastructure support to the business logic layer.

MS have great support to Web services, for EAI and B2B Integration, ASP for Web pages. We also have SQL Server, ADO, data sets etc for great Data
services layer.

Unfortunalely most of the Architectural (Patterns, papers, Samples etc)
emphasis seem to be biased torwards web based applications and services
closely connected to databases, with little in the way of rich Business logic.
Now MS has a great .NET environment for general OO development, but when it comes to Enterprise level Infrastructure support we are still stuck with
COM+/ .Enterprise services infrastructure (Load Balancing, Queued
copmponents/Events, Transactions.) It is a frustrating experience to weld
the .NET enviromment with COM+, the interoperability and deployment hassles (COM+ reistration) is not convincing for hardcore enterprise Business
applicaitons.

Sorry but I don't see much in Indigo that is improving the situation for
middle tier infrastructure support. Can someone suggest the main MS
architecture patterns, technologies and samples I should be looking at to
help us out.

It may be difficult to develop a native .NET infrastructure to replace COM+, but I know MS have the capabilities to sort this. That is why it seems so
frustrating to me.

Jules

[Jules]

Thanks Martin

I was aware of the patterns stuff, and Business Components, Entities and
Workflow components. The patterns refer to the use of .NET Enterprise
Services to hoist Business components (and BIZTALK for Workflows)

But my main gripe is the difficulty in real Enterprise level use of this
(COM+) infrastructure. So I am always looking for good samples, templates on
real use of .NET Enterprise services. I was hoping that Indigo would
introduce a native .NET Business layer infrastructure to overcome the real
COM+ interoperability and deployment hassles.

"Martin Kulov" wrote:

Hi Jules,
check out Microsoft Patterns and Practices [1]

[1] www.microsoft.com/patterns

HTH,

--
Martin Kulov
http://www.codeattest.com

MCAD Charter Member
MCSD.NET Early Achiever
MCSD

"Jules" <Ju***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:91**********************************@microsof t.com...

Sorry for being contentious title, but I am confused and concerned over

the

level of MS infrastructure support to the business logic layer.

MS have great support to Web services, for EAI and B2B Integration, ASP

for

Web pages. We also have SQL Server, ADO, data sets etc for great Data
services layer.

Unfortunalely most of the Architectural (Patterns, papers, Samples etc)
emphasis seem to be biased torwards web based applications and services
closely connected to databases, with little in the way of rich Business

logic.

Now MS has a great .NET environment for general OO development, but when

it

comes to Enterprise level Infrastructure support we are still stuck with
COM+/ .Enterprise services infrastructure (Load Balancing, Queued
copmponents/Events, Transactions.) It is a frustrating experience to weld
the .NET enviromment with COM+, the interoperability and deployment

hassles

(COM+ reistration) is not convincing for hardcore enterprise Business
applicaitons.

Sorry but I don't see much in Indigo that is improving the situation for
middle tier infrastructure support. Can someone suggest the main MS
architecture patterns, technologies and samples I should be looking at to
help us out.

It may be difficult to develop a native .NET infrastructure to replace

COM+,

but I know MS have the capabilities to sort this. That is why it seems so
frustrating to me.

Jules

[Ice]

I really don't understand the point and the problem. What problem are you
trying to solve at the middle tier? For most problems (except remote
eventing - even this has a a nasty solution).

I think you need to be a little more specific on what you really want to
accomplish.
"Jules" <Ju***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B7**********************************@microsof t.com...

Thanks Martin

I was aware of the patterns stuff, and Business Components, Entities and
Workflow components. The patterns refer to the use of .NET Enterprise
Services to hoist Business components (and BIZTALK for Workflows)

But my main gripe is the difficulty in real Enterprise level use of this
(COM+) infrastructure. So I am always looking for good samples, templates on real use of .NET Enterprise services. I was hoping that Indigo would
introduce a native .NET Business layer infrastructure to overcome the real
COM+ interoperability and deployment hassles.

"Martin Kulov" wrote:

Hi Jules,
check out Microsoft Patterns and Practices [1]

[1] www.microsoft.com/patterns

HTH,

--
Martin Kulov
http://www.codeattest.com

MCAD Charter Member
MCSD.NET Early Achiever
MCSD

"Jules" <Ju***@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:91**********************************@microsof t.com...

Sorry for being contentious title, but I am confused and concerned over

the

level of MS infrastructure support to the business logic layer.

MS have great support to Web services, for EAI and B2B Integration,

ASP for

Web pages. We also have SQL Server, ADO, data sets etc for great Data
services layer.

Unfortunalely most of the Architectural (Patterns, papers, Samples

etc) emphasis seem to be biased torwards web based applications and services closely connected to databases, with little in the way of rich Business logic.

Now MS has a great .NET environment for general OO development, but

when it

comes to Enterprise level Infrastructure support we are still stuck

with COM+/ .Enterprise services infrastructure (Load Balancing, Queued
copmponents/Events, Transactions.) It is a frustrating experience to weld the .NET enviromment with COM+, the interoperability and deployment

hassles

(COM+ reistration) is not convincing for hardcore enterprise Business
applicaitons.

Sorry but I don't see much in Indigo that is improving the situation for middle tier infrastructure support. Can someone suggest the main MS
architecture patterns, technologies and samples I should be looking at to help us out.

It may be difficult to develop a native .NET infrastructure to replace

COM+,

but I know MS have the capabilities to sort this. That is why it seems so frustrating to me.

Jules