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I am new to this so please go easy. We currently have some students doing
some work on some web based tracking documents for us. They are currently
using VB .net to develop what we requested. Anyway I've been calling my
local ISP's and no one supports .net it seems to be all apache and MySQL.
I'm wondering if everyone here can answer a few questions.

1) Can I run vb .net web pages on a regular IIS server without the .net
extensions?
2) What version and what needs to be on the IIS server to run .net
3) Since this is an internal use only application what would I need to run
this on my own server? We currently have a machine windows 2000 machine that
everyone in the building has access to (that also has internet access) so
what do I need to add to give the students and other outside the
organization access to the server?
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"HotRod" <NO****@youremail.com> wrote in message
news:OV**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
I am new to this so please go easy. We currently have some students doing
some work on some web based tracking documents for us. They are currently
using VB .net to develop what we requested. Anyway I've been calling my
local ISP's and no one supports .net it seems to be all apache and MySQL.
I'm wondering if everyone here can answer a few questions.

1) Can I run vb .net web pages on a regular IIS server without the .net
extensions?
The .NET Framework must be installed.
FrontPage Server Extensions are not required but can prove useful.
2) What version and what needs to be on the IIS server to run .net
At the moment the .NET Framework 1.1 noting 2.0 is currently in beta.
3) Since this is an internal use only application what would I need to run
this on my own server? We currently have a machine windows 2000 machine that everyone in the building has access to (that also has internet access) so
what do I need to add to give the students and other outside the
organization access to the server?


Did I mention the .NET Framework must be installed? ;-)
Access to the server can be a complex issue fraught with security concerns.
You should go to MSDN and start reading, talk to another admin from a school
to determine what worked for them and probably hire a consultant unless you
plan on losing your @ss due to your lack of knowledge.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/
Nov 23 '05 #2

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OP -
Why do you restrict yourself to a local ISP ?

you can get .NET hosting with a fully managed account from many providers.
They are as close as your nearest T-1 line.
www.asp.net/hosters

There are free options as well as premium options with SLA's.

-Dino
"clintonG" <cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com> wrote in message
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See inline...

"HotRod" <NO****@youremail.com> wrote in message
news:OV**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
I am new to this so please go easy. We currently have some students doing
some work on some web based tracking documents for us. They are currently
using VB .net to develop what we requested. Anyway I've been calling my
local ISP's and no one supports .net it seems to be all apache and MySQL.
I'm wondering if everyone here can answer a few questions.

1) Can I run vb .net web pages on a regular IIS server without the .net
extensions?


The .NET Framework must be installed.
FrontPage Server Extensions are not required but can prove useful.
2) What version and what needs to be on the IIS server to run .net


At the moment the .NET Framework 1.1 noting 2.0 is currently in beta.
3) Since this is an internal use only application what would I need to
run
this on my own server? We currently have a machine windows 2000 machine

that
everyone in the building has access to (that also has internet access) so
what do I need to add to give the students and other outside the
organization access to the server?


Did I mention the .NET Framework must be installed? ;-)
Access to the server can be a complex issue fraught with security
concerns.
You should go to MSDN and start reading, talk to another admin from a
school
to determine what worked for them and probably hire a consultant unless
you
plan on losing your @ss due to your lack of knowledge.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher
METROmilwaukee "Regional Information Services"
NET csgallagher AT metromilwaukee.com
URL http://clintongallagher.metromilwaukee.com/

Nov 23 '05 #3

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Since this will only be used by our company, from 20 sites and only a
handful of employees we are not looking for something expensive. I
originally started with our local ISP's because they offer free hosting for
"Not for profit" businesses, however I now realise that none of them will
work. Can anyone recommend a "FREE" provider that I can use that would have
an SQL database and IIS with .net extensions?

THANKS
"HotRod" <NO****@youremail.com> wrote in message
news:OV**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
I am new to this so please go easy. We currently have some students doing
some work on some web based tracking documents for us. They are currently
using VB .net to develop what we requested. Anyway I've been calling my
local ISP's and no one supports .net it seems to be all apache and MySQL.
I'm wondering if everyone here can answer a few questions.

1) Can I run vb .net web pages on a regular IIS server without the .net
extensions?
2) What version and what needs to be on the IIS server to run .net
3) Since this is an internal use only application what would I need to run
this on my own server? We currently have a machine windows 2000 machine
that everyone in the building has access to (that also has internet
access) so what do I need to add to give the students and other outside
the organization access to the server?

Nov 23 '05 #4

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Most free hosting packages do not include MS-SQL. You didn't say why you
required MS-SQL.
Brinkster has free asp.net hosting. For database you can use XML or MDB.
This works for low-volume scenarios, seems like it would fit your case, 20
sites, a handful of users.

If you really need SQL and want a hosted solution, then Local hosting seems
like a better idea. Local hosters have an incentive to support local
not-for-profits. Too bad none of your locals do ASP.NET and SQL !

But you also said you have a W2000 machine with network access. If it is a
broadband connection, then you are nearly there. Broadband means DSL or
cable modem or better. What else do you need?

for hardware:
- nearly any old desktop machine will suffice. I would say 300mhx cpu and
128mb RAM would be nice to have.
- probably want 6gb disk minimum.

For software:
- .NET will install and run on a Windows 2000 machine. .NET is a free
add-on to Windows 2000.
- ASP.NET will install and run on a W2000 Pro machine. ASP.NET is a free
piece of the .NET Framework install.
- IIS 5.0. This is available as a feature of Windows 2000 Pro. It is
Free.
- MSDE, the free version of SQL Server. Free.
what do I need to add to give the students and other outside the
organization access to the server?
You have to insure that you can connect to this machine from outside. Some
network providers disallow incoming connections. Check with yours.
Once you verify that, then you need a DNS name. There are free options
here. eg, Dyndns.org. you will get a name like
YourOrganization.dyndns.org. Let's suppose your organization is called
"Family Tree". Then using the free dyndns option, outside users could go
to:
http://FamilyTree.dyndns.org/TheApp

Or, you could register your own DNS name for $20 or so per year. Check with
godaddy.com . Your students should be able to help with this. This would
give you a dedicated DNS name, like www.FamilyTree.net . Web access would
be available as
http://www.FamilyTree.net/TheApp

Before going forward, think about upgrading the machine to Windows XP.
Windows 2000 is 5 years old and will go out of mainstream support phase next
year. The upgrade to Windows XP Pro is easy, and I think you (a non profit)
can get it cheap on www.techsoup.org .

Or, consider getting an additional machine just for the service. For your
low volumes the machine could be any old desktop machine that runs WinXP
Pro. I have it running on a 5 yr old PC with a 300mhz cpu, and it works
fine. You can buy suitable machines on ebay for $25. Or, you should be
able to find free, fully-depreciated yet functional PC hardware from a
willing local corporation. My sister just contacted me last week to help
find a non-profit to accept 150 Dell Optiplex machines 3 years old, 600mhz
cpus, 40gb disks. This is the kind of thing that would do just fine as a
host.

A Windows XP Pro machine will need the same software and hardware minimum
configs as I listed above for Win2000.

-D
"HotRod" <NO****@youremail.com> wrote in message
news:eK*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl... Since this will only be used by our company, from 20 sites and only a
handful of employees we are not looking for something expensive. I
originally started with our local ISP's because they offer free hosting
for "Not for profit" businesses, however I now realise that none of them
will work. Can anyone recommend a "FREE" provider that I can use that
would have an SQL database and IIS with .net extensions?

THANKS
"HotRod" <NO****@youremail.com> wrote in message
news:OV**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
I am new to this so please go easy. We currently have some students doing
some work on some web based tracking documents for us. They are currently
using VB .net to develop what we requested. Anyway I've been calling my
local ISP's and no one supports .net it seems to be all apache and MySQL.
I'm wondering if everyone here can answer a few questions.

1) Can I run vb .net web pages on a regular IIS server without the .net
extensions?
2) What version and what needs to be on the IIS server to run .net
3) Since this is an internal use only application what would I need to
run this on my own server? We currently have a machine windows 2000
machine that everyone in the building has access to (that also has
internet access) so what do I need to add to give the students and other
outside the organization access to the server?


Nov 23 '05 #5

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I actually think I have all of that software sitting around the office
somewhere from the last tech guy who started a project and then walked away.
I will have a look thanks.

I was only interested in SQL so that the students could generate reports and
do some SQL statements and queries, Access is missing some of the higher end
functions we would need to generate reports (SO I've been told" but I'm not
sure if XML will fit?

Honestly THANKS, it's appreciated.


"Dino Chiesa [Microsoft]" <di****@online.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
Most free hosting packages do not include MS-SQL. You didn't say why you
required MS-SQL.
Brinkster has free asp.net hosting. For database you can use XML or MDB.
This works for low-volume scenarios, seems like it would fit your case, 20
sites, a handful of users.

If you really need SQL and want a hosted solution, then Local hosting
seems like a better idea. Local hosters have an incentive to support local
not-for-profits. Too bad none of your locals do ASP.NET and SQL !

But you also said you have a W2000 machine with network access. If it is
a broadband connection, then you are nearly there. Broadband means DSL or
cable modem or better. What else do you need?

for hardware:
- nearly any old desktop machine will suffice. I would say 300mhx cpu
and 128mb RAM would be nice to have.
- probably want 6gb disk minimum.

For software:
- .NET will install and run on a Windows 2000 machine. .NET is a free
add-on to Windows 2000.
- ASP.NET will install and run on a W2000 Pro machine. ASP.NET is a free
piece of the .NET Framework install.
- IIS 5.0. This is available as a feature of Windows 2000 Pro. It is
Free.
- MSDE, the free version of SQL Server. Free.
what do I need to add to give the students and other outside the
organization access to the server?


You have to insure that you can connect to this machine from outside.
Some network providers disallow incoming connections. Check with yours.
Once you verify that, then you need a DNS name. There are free options
here. eg, Dyndns.org. you will get a name like
YourOrganization.dyndns.org. Let's suppose your organization is called
"Family Tree". Then using the free dyndns option, outside users could go
to:
http://FamilyTree.dyndns.org/TheApp

Or, you could register your own DNS name for $20 or so per year. Check
with godaddy.com . Your students should be able to help with this. This
would give you a dedicated DNS name, like www.FamilyTree.net . Web
access would be available as
http://www.FamilyTree.net/TheApp

Before going forward, think about upgrading the machine to Windows XP.
Windows 2000 is 5 years old and will go out of mainstream support phase
next year. The upgrade to Windows XP Pro is easy, and I think you (a non
profit) can get it cheap on www.techsoup.org .

Or, consider getting an additional machine just for the service. For your
low volumes the machine could be any old desktop machine that runs WinXP
Pro. I have it running on a 5 yr old PC with a 300mhz cpu, and it works
fine. You can buy suitable machines on ebay for $25. Or, you should be
able to find free, fully-depreciated yet functional PC hardware from a
willing local corporation. My sister just contacted me last week to help
find a non-profit to accept 150 Dell Optiplex machines 3 years old, 600mhz
cpus, 40gb disks. This is the kind of thing that would do just fine as a
host.

A Windows XP Pro machine will need the same software and hardware minimum
configs as I listed above for Win2000.

-D
"HotRod" <NO****@youremail.com> wrote in message
news:eK*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
Since this will only be used by our company, from 20 sites and only a
handful of employees we are not looking for something expensive. I
originally started with our local ISP's because they offer free hosting
for "Not for profit" businesses, however I now realise that none of them
will work. Can anyone recommend a "FREE" provider that I can use that
would have an SQL database and IIS with .net extensions?

THANKS
"HotRod" <NO****@youremail.com> wrote in message
news:OV**************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
I am new to this so please go easy. We currently have some students doing
some work on some web based tracking documents for us. They are currently
using VB .net to develop what we requested. Anyway I've been calling my
local ISP's and no one supports .net it seems to be all apache and MySQL.
I'm wondering if everyone here can answer a few questions.

1) Can I run vb .net web pages on a regular IIS server without the .net
extensions?
2) What version and what needs to be on the IIS server to run .net
3) Since this is an internal use only application what would I need to
run this on my own server? We currently have a machine windows 2000
machine that everyone in the building has access to (that also has
internet access) so what do I need to add to give the students and other
outside the organization access to the server?



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