Bad Form Design

[Jeph Axxe]

Ok, so I read this article about a great free DVD with plenty of .net
tools that I can order from Microsoft.

I click on the link:

https://oms.one.microsoft.com/anonym...stomerInfo.asp

Well, first of all, I notice its ASP not ASP.Net.

Second, the form is poorly designed.

1. Usually, if you don't put in the shipping address, it's assumed its
the same...or the check is premarked. In this case, there's a Copy
button that you have to press to copy the bill information to the ship
information. That seems excessive to me.
2. There are two fields for phone. Phone and extension.

I put my company phone number ( I use the receptionist number because I
don't want direct sales calls ) and it rejects it. It came back with
an error saying

"The following error(s) has occurred:
You must enter a 10-digit bill-to phone number, including area code."

Well, I did that, so I enter it again.

Same error.

Then, I try to make a correction to the phone number in the shipto
section, and I can't the field won't let me put in more than 7 digits!
So I have to do a copy again.

Right now, I am unable to order this DVD.

Maybe it's just not worth it.

Microsoft needs to learn how to use .NET before it promotes it !!!


--
An artist is someone who produces things that
people don't need to have but that he - for some
reason - thinks it would be a good idea to give them.
Andy Warhol

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Jeph Axxe <he***@metal.dude> wrote:

Ok, so I read this article about a great free DVD with plenty of .net
tools that I can order from Microsoft.

I click on the link:

https://oms.one.microsoft.com/anonym...stomerInfo.asp

Well, first of all, I notice its ASP not ASP.Net.
<snip>
Microsoft needs to learn how to use .NET before it promotes it !!!

If the page is written using ASP to start with, how is it relevant to
how much MS knows about .NET?

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

[Josef Schneider]

Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:

Jeph Axxe <he***@metal.dude> wrote:

Ok, so I read this article about a great free DVD with plenty of .net
tools that I can order from Microsoft.

I click on the link:

https://oms.one.microsoft.com/anonym...stomerInfo.asp

Well, first of all, I notice its ASP not ASP.Net.

<snip>

Microsoft needs to learn how to use .NET before it promotes it !!!

If the page is written using ASP to start with, how is it relevant to
how much MS knows about .NET?

1. It still uses MAXLENGHT

2. If they don't use ASP.NET how will they learn it? More or less
/promote/ it to their customers ?


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Go SeaHawks! Beat Saints!

[Bob Lehmann]

For being such a stickler, you sure missed the boat.

First of all do you really expect them to rewrite every already existing,
working piece of code they have in DotNet? That would be crazy.

1. This is for specifying a *different* shipping address.
2. Instructions identical to the error message are next to the phone# field.
Looks like they are both 10 digits to me.

Bob Lehmann

"Jeph Axxe" <he***@metal.dude> wrote in message
news:34*************@individual.net...

Ok, so I read this article about a great free DVD with plenty of .net
tools that I can order from Microsoft.

I click on the link:

https://oms.one.microsoft.com/anonym...stomerInfo.asp
Well, first of all, I notice its ASP not ASP.Net.

Second, the form is poorly designed.

1. Usually, if you don't put in the shipping address, it's assumed its
the same...or the check is premarked. In this case, there's a Copy
button that you have to press to copy the bill information to the ship
information. That seems excessive to me.
2. There are two fields for phone. Phone and extension.

I put my company phone number ( I use the receptionist number because I
don't want direct sales calls ) and it rejects it. It came back with
an error saying

"The following error(s) has occurred:
You must enter a 10-digit bill-to phone number, including area code."

Well, I did that, so I enter it again.

Same error.

Then, I try to make a correction to the phone number in the shipto
section, and I can't the field won't let me put in more than 7 digits!
So I have to do a copy again.

Right now, I am unable to order this DVD.

Maybe it's just not worth it.

Microsoft needs to learn how to use .NET before it promotes it !!!


--
An artist is someone who produces things that
people don't need to have but that he - for some
reason - thinks it would be a good idea to give them.
Andy Warhol

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Josef Schneider <us*@cord.blah> wrote:

If the page is written using ASP to start with, how is it relevant to
how much MS knows about .NET?
1. It still uses MAXLENGHT

And that's a reflection on .NET how exactly?
2. If they don't use ASP.NET how will they learn it? More or less
/promote/ it to their customers ?

Many places in MS *do* use it - but you can't expect everyone in MS to
immediately convert all their previous ASP code to ASP.NET. Chances are
this is a modification of a form which was used for other freebies.

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

[Josef Schneider]

Bob Lehmann wrote:

For being such a stickler, you sure missed the boat.

First of all do you really expect them to rewrite every already existing,
working piece of code they have in DotNet? That would be crazy.
I would expect that a site dedicated to promoting a .Net CD would use
..Net for a form.

Is that too much to expect ?


1. This is for specifying a *different* shipping address.
But if you don't click the COPY button, it throws an error.
2. Instructions identical to the error message are next to the phone# field.
Looks like they are both 10 digits to me.

Did you actually try it? Like I did? Or are you just jawboning ?

Bob Lehmann

"Jeph Axxe" <he***@metal.dude> wrote in message
news:34*************@individual.net...

Ok, so I read this article about a great free DVD with plenty of .net
tools that I can order from Microsoft.

I click on the link:

https://oms.one.microsoft.com/anonym...stomerInfo.asp

Well, first of all, I notice its ASP not ASP.Net.

Second, the form is poorly designed.

1. Usually, if you don't put in the shipping address, it's assumed its
the same...or the check is premarked. In this case, there's a Copy
button that you have to press to copy the bill information to the ship
information. That seems excessive to me.
2. There are two fields for phone. Phone and extension.

I put my company phone number ( I use the receptionist number because I
don't want direct sales calls ) and it rejects it. It came back with
an error saying

"The following error(s) has occurred:
You must enter a 10-digit bill-to phone number, including area code."

Well, I did that, so I enter it again.

Same error.

Then, I try to make a correction to the phone number in the shipto
section, and I can't the field won't let me put in more than 7 digits!
So I have to do a copy again.

Right now, I am unable to order this DVD.

Maybe it's just not worth it.

Microsoft needs to learn how to use .NET before it promotes it !!!


--
An artist is someone who produces things that
people don't need to have but that he - for some
reason - thinks it would be a good idea to give them.
Andy Warhol

--

Go SeaHawks! Beat Saints!

[Josef Schneider]

Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:

Josef Schneider <us*@cord.blah> wrote:

If the page is written using ASP to start with, how is it relevant to
how much MS knows about .NET?
1. It still uses MAXLENGHT

And that's a reflection on .NET how exactly?

Well, I guess if Microsoft doesn't know how to use HTML, I can't expect
them to understand .net or asp.

Maybe .net should be it's own company.

In fact, I wish it were...

2. If they don't use ASP.NET how will they learn it? More or less
/promote/ it to their customers ?

Many places in MS *do* use it - but you can't expect everyone in MS to
immediately convert all their previous ASP code to ASP.NET. Chances are
this is a modification of a form which was used for other freebies.

--

Go SeaHawks! Beat Saints!