No .NET Runtime Included in XP SP2

[C# Learner]

Could this be a sign that .NET is a massive flop?!

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

C# Learner <cs****@learner.here> wrote:

Could this be a sign that .NET is a massive flop?!

Not really - just that MS didn't want to add a large extra item to the
amount to be downloaded. Note that .NET 1.1 SP1 *is* on the CD version
of SP2.

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

[C# Learner]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:10:46 +0100, Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:

Could this be a sign that .NET is a massive flop?!
Not really - just that MS didn't want to add a large extra item to the
amount to be downloaded.

That was my initial reaction too. Then I looked at the figures:

SP2: 266 MB
dotNET runtime: 23 MB

Hmm...
Note that .NET 1.1 SP1 *is* on the CD version
of SP2.

Interesting...

[Cor Ligthert]

Did you know that there is a fine from the EC about binding of software

What can Microsoft better do than showing that they are not doing that and
deliver software in parts.

Just my 2 Eurocents.

Cor

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

C# Learner <cs****@learner.here> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 18:10:46 +0100, Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:

Could this be a sign that .NET is a massive flop?!

Not really - just that MS didn't want to add a large extra item to the
amount to be downloaded.

That was my initial reaction too. Then I looked at the figures:

SP2: 266 MB
dotNET runtime: 23 MB

Hmm...

Where did you get that size from though? I gather that what is going to
be downloaded by Windows Update may well be significantly smaller than
that. I'm not entirely sure what they'll be omitting, but I doubt that
they'll be putting nearly that much on WU itself. The dial-up users
would be stuffed!

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

[C# Learner]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:28:22 +0100, Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:

That was my initial reaction too. Then I looked at the figures:

SP2: 266 MB
dotNET runtime: 23 MB

Hmm...
Where did you get that size from though?

That's the size of the download for IT professionals and developers (
http://mpdg.notlong.com/ ).
I gather that what is going to
be downloaded by Windows Update may well be significantly smaller than
that.

Hmm... I hadn't considered that.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

C# Learner <cs****@learner.here> wrote:

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:28:22 +0100, Jon Skeet [C# MVP] wrote:

That was my initial reaction too. Then I looked at the figures:

SP2: 266 MB
dotNET runtime: 23 MB

Hmm...

Where did you get that size from though?

That's the size of the download for IT professionals and developers (
http://mpdg.notlong.com/ ).

I gather that what is going to
be downloaded by Windows Update may well be significantly smaller than
that.

Hmm... I hadn't considered that.

From the page linked above:

<quote>
DO NOT CLICK DOWNLOAD IF YOU ARE UPDATING JUST ONE COMPUTER: A smaller,
more appropriate download is now available on Windows Update.
</quote>

(I don't know whether or not the version from that page includes .NET
1.1 SP1 - it may do.)

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

[Willy Denoyette [MVP]]

"Jon Skeet [C# MVP]" <sk***@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:MP************************@msnews.microsoft.c om...

(I don't know whether or not the version from that page includes .NET
1.1 SP1 - it may do.)

Jon,
Note that the version of .NET 1.1 on the XP SP2 CD is an interim TP build
NOT the final SP1 version.
The final version will be available for download in September.
Check this url:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframewo...sptechpreview/

Willy.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Willy Denoyette [MVP] <wi*************@pandora.be> wrote:

(I don't know whether or not the version from that page includes .NET
1.1 SP1 - it may do.)
Jon,
Note that the version of .NET 1.1 on the XP SP2 CD is an interim TP build
NOT the final SP1 version.

Has that been definitely confirmed? When I installed it this afternoon
it certainly didn't mention anything about being a tech preview. Is
there any way of telling it from the installation?
The final version will be available for download in September.
Check this url:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/netframewo...sptechpreview/

I could imagine that what was on the CD might be the real SP1, but they
still need to bundle it into one installable file.

I certainly *hope* you're not right :(

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

[Willy Denoyette [MVP]]

"Jon Skeet [C# MVP]" <sk***@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:MP************************@msnews.microsoft.c om...

I could imagine that what was on the CD might be the real SP1, but they
still need to bundle it into one installable file.

I certainly *hope* you're not right :(

I'm affraid I am :-( at least according to [1] James Vastbinder (MSFT) and
another PM I know personally.

[1] http://weblogs.asp.net/jvast/archive...19/217227.aspx

Willy.

[Jon Skeet [C# MVP]]

Willy Denoyette [MVP] <wi*************@pandora.be> wrote:

"Jon Skeet [C# MVP]" <sk***@pobox.com> wrote in message
news:MP************************@msnews.microsoft.c om...

I could imagine that what was on the CD might be the real SP1, but they
still need to bundle it into one installable file.

I certainly *hope* you're not right :(

I'm affraid I am :-( at least according to [1] James Vastbinder (MSFT) and
another PM I know personally.

[1] http://weblogs.asp.net/jvast/archive...19/217227.aspx

Oh dear :(

Oh well. So long as there's a smooth upgrade from the TP to RTM, it's
not too bad...

--
Jon Skeet - <sk***@pobox.com>
http://www.pobox.com/~skeet
If replying to the group, please do not mail me too

[Cor Ligthert]

Willy

Thanks,

Cor

[C# Learner]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 20:07:55 +0100, Jon Skeet [C# MVP] quoted:

A smaller,
more appropriate download is now available on Windows Update.

Ah, I should have read all the details (I haven't installed the thing yet,
BTW -- gonna sit back and wait for awhile to see what problems others have
with it).

[clintonG]

Very important issue for us all to understand. America is increasingly
being ordered what to do by Europe and other nations aligned with
the United Nations, World Trade Organization, and perhaps most
importantly the World Bank.

Two deadly serious issues to be aware of:

The reason John Kerry is telling everybody that he has a better
idea than Bush regarding the invasion and occupation of Iraq
is because John Kerry has been advocating that the U.S. military
be merged with the United Nations Security Council in league
with NATO, e.g. Kerry supports the New World Order.

Don't get the idea that Bush is any better. America has been ordered
to comply with certain mandates from those organizations some of
which are after America's most wanted criminals such as Bush himself
as well as Clinton and others involved in war crimes and other such
activities. A warrant was called for that required America to sign an
agreement every year allowing America to NOT be merged with
these organizations. This year Bush refused to sign that agreement
and the requirements will kick in meaning if true the actions by Bush
would mean America's military will soon be managed by foreign powers
and subjected to the whims of the New World Order.

IF AND ONLY IF we vote Republican or Democrat who the nation's
founders warned would be our biggest problem. The founders referred
to these types of politicians as 'domestic enemies' and its written right
into the Bill of Rights.

I wish I could cite documentation as I just heard about this
in the car on the radio while on the way to get some work done.
I intend to try to verify these postulations and urge anybody that
reads these comments to do the same -- BEFORE NOVEMBER!

Voting Republican or Democrat is voting for different sides of
the same coin. That's the easiest way to try to explain what we
can not do anymore as our nation has been usurped by those
serving foreign powers, the globalized corporations and the
industrialized military complex.

--
<%= Clinton Gallagher, "Twice the Results -- Half the Cost"
Architectural & e-Business Consulting -- Software Development
NET cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/

"Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:%2***************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

Did you know that there is a fine from the EC about binding of software

What can Microsoft better do than showing that they are not doing that and
deliver software in parts.

Just my 2 Eurocents.

Cor

[Cor Ligthert]

Amazing how you show here how some US citizens can be.

Luckily, I know that you are one of the minorities.

Maybe it is better to write next time about the US, America is bigger than
only the US you know?

However, do that in another newsgroup, the dotNet newsgroups are without
politics, maybe you do not like it, but with people from all over the world
who peaceful help or argue with each other. They can have small arguments,
but only about the subject of these newsgroups.

[clintonG]

You're the one that brought up the politics when discussing the fines.
--
<%= Clinton Gallagher, "Twice the Results -- Half the Cost"
Architectural & e-Business Consulting -- Software Development
NET cs*********@REMOVETHISTEXTmetromilwaukee.com
URL http://www.metromilwaukee.com/clintongallagher/
"Cor Ligthert" <no**********@planet.nl> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

Amazing how you show here how some US citizens can be.

Luckily, I know that you are one of the minorities.

Maybe it is better to write next time about the US, America is bigger than
only the US you know?

However, do that in another newsgroup, the dotNet newsgroups are without
politics, maybe you do not like it, but with people from all over the world who peaceful help or argue with each other. They can have small arguments,
but only about the subject of these newsgroups.