new book on mono and c#

[john bailo]

It's not out yet, but due this month:

Developing on Linux with C# and .Net:
The Mono Project
by Daniel Solin

Paperback, October 2003

It's definitely in my shopping cart!

And it emphasizes the Gtk# toolkit as well.

I am hungry for more Gtk#/c#/mono info!

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[John Timney \(Microsoft MVP\)]

should be an interestign read, who is the publisher?

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John Timney (Microsoft ASP.NET MVP)
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<shameless_author_plug>
Professional .NET for Java Developers with C#
ISBN:1-861007-91-4
Professional Windows Forms
ISBN: 1861005547
Professional JSP 2nd Edition
ISBN: 1861004958
Professional JSP
ISBN: 1861003625
Beginning JSP Web Development
ISBN: 1861002092
</shameless_author_plug>
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"john bailo" <ja*****@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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It's not out yet, but due this month:

Developing on Linux with C# and .Net:
The Mono Project
by Daniel Solin

Paperback, October 2003

It's definitely in my shopping cart!

And it emphasizes the Gtk# toolkit as well.

I am hungry for more Gtk#/c#/mono info!

--
copyright john a. bailo, 2003.
this work may not be reproduced without written
permission from the author.

[William Ryan]

The fact that Bailo is going to read it is enough to normally make me want
to avoid it like the plague...however, APress is publishing it so it's
probably gonna be pretty decent.
http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=181
"John Timney (Microsoft MVP)" <ti*****@despammed.com> wrote in message
news:uW**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...

should be an interestign read, who is the publisher?

--
Regards

John Timney (Microsoft ASP.NET MVP)
----------------------------------------------
<shameless_author_plug>
Professional .NET for Java Developers with C#
ISBN:1-861007-91-4
Professional Windows Forms
ISBN: 1861005547
Professional JSP 2nd Edition
ISBN: 1861004958
Professional JSP
ISBN: 1861003625
Beginning JSP Web Development
ISBN: 1861002092
</shameless_author_plug>
----------------------------------------------

"john bailo" <ja*****@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:a1******************************@news.teranew s.com...

It's not out yet, but due this month:

Developing on Linux with C# and .Net:
The Mono Project
by Daniel Solin

Paperback, October 2003

It's definitely in my shopping cart!

And it emphasizes the Gtk# toolkit as well.

I am hungry for more Gtk#/c#/mono info!

--
copyright john a. bailo, 2003.
this work may not be reproduced without written
permission from the author.

[john bailo]

Perp: "William Ryan" <do********@nospam.comcast.net>; Crime:
<OT**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>; Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:35:34
-0400

The fact that Bailo is going to read it is enough to normally make me want
to avoid it like the plague...however, APress is publishing it so it's
probably gonna be pretty decent.
http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=181

yeah, and i'm gonna read it first
and get all the good mono.net c#
jobs and be a well paid
mono.NET c# consultant, $140 an hour
....heh heheh...nothing left for
you...yea...
--
copyright john a. bailo, 2003.
this work may not be reproduced without written
permission from the author.

[john bailo]

Perp: "John Timney \(Microsoft MVP\)" <ti*****@despammed.com>; Crime:
<uW**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>; Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 23:25:33
+0100

should be an interestign read, who is the publisher?
http://www.apress.com/

checking their site, they seem
to have a lot of good things.

im in the process right now
of walking through the 'packing
demo' using Gtk# with c# mono.Net


--
Regards

John Timney (Microsoft ASP.NET MVP)
----------------------------------------------
<shameless_author_plug>
Professional .NET for Java Developers with C#
ISBN:1-861007-91-4
Professional Windows Forms
ISBN: 1861005547
Professional JSP 2nd Edition
ISBN: 1861004958
Professional JSP
ISBN: 1861003625
Beginning JSP Web Development
ISBN: 1861002092
</shameless_author_plug>
----------------------------------------------

"john bailo" <ja*****@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:a1******************************@news.teranew s.com...

It's not out yet, but due this month:

Developing on Linux with C# and .Net:
The Mono Project
by Daniel Solin

Paperback, October 2003

It's definitely in my shopping cart!

And it emphasizes the Gtk# toolkit as well.

I am hungry for more Gtk#/c#/mono info!

--
copyright john a. bailo, 2003.
this work may not be reproduced without written
permission from the author.

--
copyright john a. bailo, 2003.
this work may not be reproduced without written
permission from the author.

[Andrew Walsh]

from the Apres blurb:

"assumes some programming experience, but no prior experience of C# or
..NET. While readers will get a good lesson of C# from the
beginning-to-end, they'll also get a view of the technologies that are
not available on Windows, such as Gtk#."

Sounds like most of it will have to cover elementary c# stuff.
Kind of dumb. There are a zillion other books on that.
A book that asssumed knowledge of c# and dotnet and dove right
into the guts of mono on linux and things like gtk# would be worth
its weight in gold.

[john bailo]

Perp: wa********@hotmail.com (Andrew Walsh); Crime:
<52**************************@posting.google.com >; Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003
19:18:06 -0700

from the Apres blurb:

"assumes some programming experience, but no prior experience of C# or
.NET. While readers will get a good lesson of C# from the
beginning-to-end, they'll also get a view of the technologies that are
not available on Windows, such as Gtk#."

Sounds like most of it will have to cover elementary c# stuff.
Kind of dumb. There are a zillion other books on that.
A book that asssumed knowledge of c# and dotnet and dove right
into the guts of mono on linux and things like gtk# would be worth
its weight in gold.

I see your point.

Could be a good book for the novice
linux user with no exposure to vs
technologies.

but in a way it kind of validates
the concept since the c# can in fact
be cross tabbed.

i am also looking for gtk# information.
i looked at a really good book on gcc
and Gtk, but I would prefer to work at
the .net level on both platforms.

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copyright john a. bailo, 2003.
this work may not be reproduced without written
permission from the author.

[John Timney \(Microsoft MVP\)]

Why would you take a pay cut to work with mono?
--
Regards

John Timney (Microsoft ASP.NET MVP)
----------------------------------------------
<shameless_author_plug>
Professional .NET for Java Developers with C#
ISBN:1-861007-91-4
Professional Windows Forms
ISBN: 1861005547
Professional JSP 2nd Edition
ISBN: 1861004958
Professional JSP
ISBN: 1861003625
Beginning JSP Web Development
ISBN: 1861002092
</shameless_author_plug>
----------------------------------------------

"john bailo" <ja*****@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:21******************************@news.teranew s.com...

Perp: "William Ryan" <do********@nospam.comcast.net>; Crime:
<OT**************@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl>; Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 18:35:34
-0400

The fact that Bailo is going to read it is enough to normally make me want to avoid it like the plague...however, APress is publishing it so it's
probably gonna be pretty decent.
http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=181

yeah, and i'm gonna read it first
and get all the good mono.net c#
jobs and be a well paid
mono.NET c# consultant, $140 an hour
...heh heheh...nothing left for
you...yea...
--
copyright john a. bailo, 2003.
this work may not be reproduced without written
permission from the author.

[John Timney \(Microsoft MVP\)]

I agree - the strength in this is definately in understanding the libs and
the language, regardless of platform and anyhting that gives "an edge" so to
speak is always going to be a good publication........now if only I can
scrounge a copy!!!!.

--
Regards

John Timney (Microsoft ASP.NET MVP)
----------------------------------------------
<shameless_author_plug>
Professional .NET for Java Developers with C#
ISBN:1-861007-91-4
Professional Windows Forms
ISBN: 1861005547
Professional JSP 2nd Edition
ISBN: 1861004958
Professional JSP
ISBN: 1861003625
Beginning JSP Web Development
ISBN: 1861002092
</shameless_author_plug>
----------------------------------------------

"john bailo" <ja*****@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:78******************************@news.teranew s.com...

Perp: wa********@hotmail.com (Andrew Walsh); Crime:
<52**************************@posting.google.com >; Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003
19:18:06 -0700

from the Apres blurb:

"assumes some programming experience, but no prior experience of C# or
.NET. While readers will get a good lesson of C# from the
beginning-to-end, they'll also get a view of the technologies that are
not available on Windows, such as Gtk#."

Sounds like most of it will have to cover elementary c# stuff.
Kind of dumb. There are a zillion other books on that.
A book that asssumed knowledge of c# and dotnet and dove right
into the guts of mono on linux and things like gtk# would be worth
its weight in gold.

I see your point.

Could be a good book for the novice
linux user with no exposure to vs
technologies.

but in a way it kind of validates
the concept since the c# can in fact
be cross tabbed.

i am also looking for gtk# information.
i looked at a really good book on gcc
and Gtk, but I would prefer to work at
the .net level on both platforms.

--
copyright john a. bailo, 2003.
this work may not be reproduced without written
permission from the author.

[M]

Question for all:

Mono project answers the issue of multi-platform availability. But
slashdot linux zealots have been saying Microsoft could always step in
and enforce copyrights, effectively dooming the Mono project.

What are your thoughts on that?

John Timney (Microsoft MVP) wrote:

I agree - the strength in this is definately in understanding the libs and
the language, regardless of platform and anyhting that gives "an edge" so to
speak is always going to be a good publication........now if only I can
scrounge a copy!!!!.

--

[I R BABOON]

I% SAY :::

Question for all:

Mono project answers the issue of multi-platform availability. But
slashdot linux zealots have been saying Microsoft could always step in
and enforce copyrights, effectively dooming the Mono project.

What are your thoughts on that?

John Timney (Microsoft MVP) wrote:

I agree - the strength in this is definately in understanding the libs and
the language, regardless of platform and anyhting that gives "an edge" so to
speak is always going to be a good publication........now if only I can
scrounge a copy!!!!.

--

my guess is that microsoft would probably not
enforce patents, but it might try to do what
it typically does to other standards -- use
them as a jumping off point for a proprietary
flavor. as absurd as it sounds, given that
it placed the technology into a 'standards' body,
what M$ may do is then add on specialized features:
libraries, components and 'hooks' that make their
version have a higher value. that would leave
the OSS trying to 'catch up' to the new features
after having created a 'standard' version.

however, i don't think either of these things
will happen. look at Sun. they have yet
to convert java, their brainchild, into a
cash cow, even though they retain full rights
over the product.

third, while c# may be proprietary, it is a highly
derivative product: basically a java version of
c++. so the amount of control, should m$ try
to pull the reins in, would be questionable.

http://techupdate.zdnet.com/techupda...832719,00.html

<quote>
For Microsoft, there are several tangible consequences of attaining
C# and CLI standardization. While the company retains any patents or
copyrights already secured related to these technologies, it does
relinquish a degree of control. According to Secretary General van
den Beld, if the C# standards are ratified, "Anybody can make proposals
for changes, including Microsoft; all changes must be approved by TC39
before they are included in a (new) edition of the standard." Microsoft
Spokesman Steven Lees indicated that Microsoft intends to stay involved,
saying, "Microsoft is committed to active and ongoing participation in TC39."

</quote>

[John Timney \(Microsoft MVP\)]

Years ago a company called ChilliSoft produced an asp runtime for Unix etc.
I dont know the background of the relationship they had with MS, but I dont
think they were ever sued,and they were from what I gather quite well
supported by MS - even if they were always a release behind the MS version.
I can see this type of thing being the same - they probably wont be openly
opposed by MS, but they will undoubtably always be playing catch up to what
MS are releasing in relation to .NET, for example - this months PDC will see
a lot of information given out about ASP2 which is not yet Beta, and when it
reaches release then the Mono team will have a lot of changes to do to get
it in synch with the framework specification, after all - MS have lots of
developers professionally working on this....I personally think they will
quietly support the initiative as its very good for the .NTE frameowrk as a
whole (and very bad for Java) but then I dont actually speak for Microsoft.

--
Regards

John Timney (Microsoft ASP.NET MVP)
----------------------------------------------
<shameless_author_plug>
Professional .NET for Java Developers with C#
ISBN:1-861007-91-4
Professional Windows Forms
ISBN: 1861005547
Professional JSP 2nd Edition
ISBN: 1861004958
Professional JSP
ISBN: 1861003625
Beginning JSP Web Development
ISBN: 1861002092
</shameless_author_plug>
----------------------------------------------

"M" <mi******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Nf********************@comcast.com...

Question for all:

Mono project answers the issue of multi-platform availability. But
slashdot linux zealots have been saying Microsoft could always step in
and enforce copyrights, effectively dooming the Mono project.

What are your thoughts on that?

John Timney (Microsoft MVP) wrote:

I agree - the strength in this is definately in understanding the libs and the language, regardless of platform and anyhting that gives "an edge" so to speak is always going to be a good publication........now if only I can
scrounge a copy!!!!.

--

[Peter Köhlmann]

M wrote:

Question for all:

Mono project answers the issue of multi-platform availability. But
slashdot linux zealots have been saying Microsoft could always step in
and enforce copyrights, effectively dooming the Mono project.

What are your thoughts on that?

I think Mono is stillborn. NET will never be true multiplatform, as MS
cannot have interest in that. They have a vested interest in having it tied
to windows and windows only.
I am a professional developer. And I will never use it beyond mere interest
I will stay on C++ and Java.
--
"The number of Unix installations has grown to ten, with more expected"
-- The Unix programmers handbook, 1972

[I R BABOON]

I% SAY :::

And did you read that "I will never use it beyond mere interest" part?
It means exactly what anyone with half a functioning brain would read into
it, namely, I *did* use it to see what it provides. And it did *not* give
me any incentive to switch to c#. To the contrary

I know that you are quite stupid. Your frequent nymshifts are unexplainable
otherwise. But just leave anyone with an IQ higher than yours (that would
encompass about 99.9% of the worlds population) alone and rant your idiocy
to yourself, will you?

Well, as I said, we're not talking about 'you'
we are talking about the 'market'.

You may think that starting your car with a hand
crank is the way to do, and God Bless You.

However, there aren't that many people who would
place a value on your ability to turn that crank,
nor would it have applicability as a useful
technology.

And Peter, one of the signs of a healthy mind is
a sense of humor.

You therefore, are a very sick man.

[Peter Köhlmann]

I R BABOON wrote:

I% SAY :::

And did you read that "I will never use it beyond mere interest" part?
It means exactly what anyone with half a functioning brain would read
into it, namely, I *did* use it to see what it provides. And it did *not*
give me any incentive to switch to c#. To the contrary

I know that you are quite stupid. Your frequent nymshifts are
unexplainable otherwise. But just leave anyone with an IQ higher than
yours (that would encompass about 99.9% of the worlds population) alone
and rant your idiocy to yourself, will you?
Well, as I said, we're not talking about 'you'
we are talking about the 'market'.

Your answer quite certainly was not to any "market", it was to "me"
A sure sign of a troll to shift meanings
You may think that starting your car with a hand
crank is the way to do, and God Bless You.

However, there aren't that many people who would
place a value on your ability to turn that crank,
nor would it have applicability as a useful
technology.

And Peter, one of the signs of a healthy mind is
a sense of humor.

You therefore, are a very sick man.

I can see no humor at all in trolling.
Just that someone is in desperate need of a shrink.
You are in need of an army of shrinks
--
Experience is what causes a person to make new mistakes instead of
old ones.

[Jules Dubois]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 16:28:29 -0500, in article
<Nf********************@comcast.com>, M wrote:

Question for all:

Mono project answers the issue of multi-platform availability. But
slashdot linux zealots have been saying Microsoft could always step in
and enforce copyrights, effectively dooming the Mono project.

What are your thoughts on that?

Copyright is not the problem. Patent-infringement lawsuits over frivolous
patents will be Microsoft's attack on interoperability.