XML In the future?

[Mike]

Do we feel it is possible that XML could become a standard to replace
current data exchange formats such as documents, spreadsheet worksheets,
images etc?

[Leif K-Brooks]

Mike wrote:

Do we feel it is possible that XML could become a standard to replace
current data exchange formats such as documents, spreadsheet worksheets,
images etc?

It wouldn't replace them, it would simply be a new format for them. As
for bitmap images, that wouldn't really be practical or useful.

[Dylan Parry]

Mike wrote:

Do we feel it is possible that XML could become a standard to replace
current data exchange formats such as documents, spreadsheet worksheets,
images etc?

A great many office suites already use XML as the format for their files,
but as Leif says it wouldn't be practical for use in images - the shear
size of the files would be a put off to say the least :o)

I also don't think that it will, or even should, become a file standard
for presenting documents on the WWW. Jukka gives some good insight into
why this should be so in his article "Lurching towards Babel" in which he
explains that this move would be draconian and one backwards to the days
of typesetting macros.

See: Korpela, J. (1998, July). Lurching Toward Babel: HTML, CSS, and XML.
Computer, 31 (7), 103-104, 106.

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[Andy Dingley]

On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:04:02 -0000, "Mike" <mo**@microsoft.com> wrote:

Do we feel it is possible that XML could become a standard to replace
current data exchange formats

No, because XML isn't a standard for documents, it's a transport level
protocol that you can use to define standards on top of. We're
already at the point were an ability to handle XML correctly is almost
mandatory for any new tools. Sadly we're also seeing PHB's buy two
disconencted applications and expect them to talk "because they both
use XML".

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In article <br***********@ID-83837.news.uni-berlin.de>,
mo**@microsoft.com says...

Do we feel it is possible that XML could become a standard to replace
current data exchange formats such as documents, spreadsheet worksheets,
images etc?

No, XML is just a way to format content

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[Chris Kunicki \(OfficeZealot.com\)]

I agree with all the responses made so far. However I have to say that I
like the way Star Office handles this problem. They bundle up the XML file
and any other files (images, etc) into a ZIP file. That way they get the
benefits of smaller files, but the data is accessible.

Personally I think many organizations are willing to take some of the
disadvantages of defaulting to XML (Larger file sizes, slower opening) for
the benefits of having all documents in XML as its easier to mine long term.

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"Mike" <mo**@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Do we feel it is possible that XML could become a standard to replace
current data exchange formats such as documents, spreadsheet worksheets,
images etc?

[Grunff]

Andy Dingley wrote:

Sadly we're also seeing PHB's buy two
disconencted applications and expect them to talk "because they both
use XML".

Man, tell me about it - the number of times I've heard "It'll
take how long?? It has an 'XML link' doesn't it?"...

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[Hywel Jenkins]

In article <br***********@ID-83837.news.uni-berlin.de>,
mo**@microsoft.com says...

Do we feel it is possible that XML could become a standard to replace
current data exchange formats such as documents, spreadsheet worksheets,
images etc?

Is it "National Get Your Coursework Done in alt.html" week?
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[Daniel O'Connell]

"Chris Kunicki (OfficeZealot.com)" <NO**********@OfficeZealot.com> wrote in
message news:eg**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

I agree with all the responses made so far. However I have to say that I
like the way Star Office handles this problem. They bundle up the XML file
and any other files (images, etc) into a ZIP file. That way they get the
benefits of smaller files, but the data is accessible.
If you can handle zip files anyway. Seems kind of self defeating to use xml
if they are wrapping it in a binary format, no matter how commonplace, it
still means an xml parser is not all you need and that the data is to an
extent less available.

Personally I think many organizations are willing to take some of the
disadvantages of defaulting to XML (Larger file sizes, slower opening) for
the benefits of having all documents in XML as its easier to mine long term.
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"Mike" <mo**@microsoft.com> wrote in message
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Do we feel it is possible that XML could become a standard to replace
current data exchange formats such as documents, spreadsheet worksheets,
images etc?

[Toby A Inkster]

Dylan Parry wrote:

A great many office suites already use XML as the format for their files,
but as Leif says it wouldn't be practical for use in images - the shear
size of the files would be a put off to say the least :o)

Yes, XML might suck for bitmapped graphics[1], but not for vector graphics
(q.v. SVG)

[1] but you could always use compressed XML files.

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[Toby A Inkster]

Daniel O'Connell wrote:

If you can handle zip files anyway. Seems kind of self defeating to use xml
if they are wrapping it in a binary format, no matter how commonplace, it
still means an xml parser is not all you need and that the data is to an
extent less available.

The purpose of the OpenOffice.org format is not to be non-binary; but to
be readable and writable with freely available, non-proprietary tools.

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[Daniel O'Connell]

"Toby A Inkster" <Us******************@deadspam.com> wrote in message
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Daniel O'Connell wrote:

If you can handle zip files anyway. Seems kind of self defeating to use xml if they are wrapping it in a binary format, no matter how commonplace, it still means an xml parser is not all you need and that the data is to an
extent less available.
The purpose of the OpenOffice.org format is not to be non-binary; but to
be readable and writable with freely available, non-proprietary tools.

That doesn't change that the usage of xml is slightly less important because
of compression. It just means using another library, not nessecerly a bad
thing, but it dilutes the value of claiming xml support a little bit, imho.
Open office shouldn't claim it as an xml format, but xml+zip format, as an
xml parser alone is useless in that situation.
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[Louis Somers]

"Mike" <mo**@microsoft.com> wrote in news:br***********@ID-83837.news.uni-
berlin.de:

Do we feel it is possible that XML could become a standard to replace
current data exchange formats such as documents, spreadsheet worksheets,
images etc?

I think it will be (is allready) a standard for most text-related-cross-
platform-web-based applications.

It will never be for bitmaps, sound, or things like that.

Vector based grafics or midi sound might get xml-ed in the future though.

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[Thomas Wenzl [MVP]]

Hello Chris,

Chris Kunicki (OfficeZealot.com) wrote:

I agree with all the responses made so far. However I have to say
that I like the way Star Office handles this problem. They bundle up
the XML file and any other files (images, etc) into a ZIP file. That
way they get the benefits of smaller files, but the data is
accessible.

btw, Microsoft does this too in Infopath. All schemas, stylesheets,
scripts, etc. are put in one single *.cab file (ok, it has the extension
*.xsn, but you can rename it in *.cab and open the file with winzip).

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