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MimarSinan InstallAWARE - Read before you buy!

Dear Group

My personal review of MimarSinan InstallAWARE Studio 2005 SE as a
courtesy for everyone considering evaluating or buying this product.
There are many reviews out there praising the products features so I
thought I may add my own review, information collected while creating a
project in a live environment.

I've to say, at first glance this product has a lot to offer and seems
to be a better choice than InstallShield Professional which I evaluated
at the same time. InstallAWARE's pricing is also very competitive.

On overall, this is a product with some quirks. One will get used to
them quickly. I appreciate that no produt is perfect and apprecite when
a software vendor takes a greater emphasis on robustness rather than
the UI and I hope that this product becomes more UI compliant as a user
would expect over the years to come.
It's most powerful feature are with no doubt the script editor as well
as the flexibility in designing dialogs.

However, I've reservations and serious concerns about the level of
support being available and having received and if I had this known
before I certainly would not recommend this product despite its
features and price unless there's reassurance by MimarSinan that they
will improve in this matter.

The company seems to consist of only its founder, Sinan Karaca. At
least that is my impression as all support emails I receive come from
his email address. This raises concerns what the situation will be if
that only person becomes ill.

Another disappointing experience was the quality of support received.
As I mentioned, as a developer I appreciate that no software is perfect
as long as this is backed up by keen and pro-active support striving to
resolve any issues.
From my emails to support I didn't get the impression that the company

is actually too interested and an 'error by trial' policy seems to be
in place. I could tolerate this for complex problems and sure would try
this myself before contacting support but if it was in fact the company
founder who provided me with this level of support regarding issues
that seem to be obviously a malfunction in their application then I
start wondering how much they really appreciate their customers apart
from just paying for the product.

Before you contact support one might however consult the InstallAWARE
Help or Support Forum. Help provides basic information to most common
questions but I found that many object properties which I came across
on a regular basis are not listed. One of the biggest drawbacks after
support in my opinion. Consulting the support forum did not yield more
answers to my questions apart from not very detailed replies or the
information that this has never been reported before and therefore must
not be the products fault.

In general, most issues seem to be the customers problem and any of my
suggestions that it migt indeed a problem with the product and any
offered assistance in investigating this issue further were turned down
by InstallAWARE with the response that I can either pay for
professional consultancy or that I can find the answer in going through
their sample applications. May I point out that I never expected them
to do my project for me and as having worked in support myself very
well know what falls in the category consultancy/training or support.

Not satisfiying but tolerable if the sample I'm directed to actually
had addressed my problem. However, in one instance for a Button.click
event a Checkbox.Value sample was suggested.

Summed up, InstallAWARE support email responses might be quick, on
average instant to 8hrs but the quality of support, the help and online
forum has to be questioned.

Just as final point to add, one might stick to email requests as any
call to the company I made was answered by an answering machine and the
one request for a callback was never returned. Despite InstallAWARE
providing the option of phone support on their website.
I might also add, that I tried both numbers, the one in San Francisco,
California and the one in Turkey which can be found on the MirmarSinan
website during the countries respective business hours.

I hope that this is informative to anyone considerating or using
InstallAWARE. I certainly will keep you updated should I have more
information in the future and let you know of any improvements I
notice. Please note that my case might be just an exception and I
invite everyone to try for themselves.

Best Regards,

Martin N Feuersteiner
Invent2b - Innovative Property Business Solutions

Oct 9 '05 #1
6 2309
Dear Martin

Unfortunately, we do not have a free service that builds and debugs
setups for our customers at this time.

Since you seemed to be unable to invest any time into the product (as
evidenced by the gross misunderstanding of some of the support emails
you were sent), we thought outsourcing your setup might be the right
thing for your time constraints. I am sorry if it was inappropriate to
suggest our consulting services for you.

Seeing that you do not appreciate our prompt support replies, we will
withdraw the courtesy of free support that was extended to you three
months after your 30-day support period had already expired.

Sincerely,
Sinan

Oct 9 '05 #2
Dear Sinan

May I first post the reply of yours you sent to me and graciously
allowed me to ammend to this post so everyone can form their objective
opinion.
I'll comment on your reply to my post following this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sinan Karaca [mailto:si****@mimarsinan.com]
Sent: 09 October 2005 20:38
To: 'M N Feuersteiner'
Subject: RE: For your attention

Martin

You are entitled to your views, and publicly sharing them.

Unfortunately, your post, and nothing else that I can conceive of, will
cause me (or any other person working at InstallAware) to spoonfeed
you.

If you still have questions - review the license agreement you accepted
when
installing the product, specifically the section on support.

Please feel free to add this email message to the end of your post, I
would
be happy for others to see it as well.

Sincerely,
Sinan

--- Message End
Unfortunately, we do not have a free service that builds and debugs
setups for our customers at this time.
At no time did I ask you to build or debug a project for me. The case
is that I actually offered you a project for reference to investigate
an obvious bug in InstallAWARE.
Since you seemed to be unable to invest any time into the product (as
evidenced by the gross misunderstanding of some of the support emails
you were sent), we thought outsourcing your setup might be the right
thing for your time constraints. I am sorry if it was inappropriate to
suggest our consulting services for you.
May you please post details of my gross misunderstanding with your
software as I believe that lack of information in help files as well as
bugs do not justify your choice of words. I'm happy for you to post my
messages in full and give you permission to do so. May in return will
you grant me permission to publish your replies to those requests so an
objective view for other users is maintained?
Seeing that you do not appreciate our prompt support replies, we will
withdraw the courtesy of free support that was extended to you three
months after your 30-day support period had already expired.


As you may have seen in my original post, at no time have I disregarded
the speed of replies to requests and actually have thanked you and
pointed out that fact in emails to you. However, the quality of support
was not satisfactionary in my opinion.
You may withdraw support at your discretion but strongly believe that
the initial 30-Day period for the company to which I''ve recommended
your product and who has made a purchase has not ended yet. I'll check
this with them.

I hope you will be pleased that I've passed my spoonfeed age a couple
of years ago but if something is just not working I'll start crying and
hope that its put right.

All I can say dear Sinan, I'm grateful for you entering into this
dialog but sense some hostility in your reply. Maybe this is just my
perception but certainly not one most customers will appreciate.

Anyway, I'd be grateful if you can comment on the other points of my
post such as the content of the help file and the answering machine
when calling the corporate number. Do you have a receptionist?

Best Regards,

Martin

Oct 9 '05 #3
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<th************@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:11********************@g49g2000cwa.googlegrou ps.com...
Dear Sinan

May I first post the reply of yours you sent to me and graciously
allowed me to ammend to this post so everyone can form their objective
opinion.
I'll comment on your reply to my post following this.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sinan Karaca [mailto:si****@mimarsinan.com]
Sent: 09 October 2005 20:38
To: 'M N Feuersteiner'
Subject: RE: For your attention

Martin

You are entitled to your views, and publicly sharing them.

Unfortunately, your post, and nothing else that I can conceive of, will
cause me (or any other person working at InstallAware) to spoonfeed
you.

If you still have questions - review the license agreement you accepted
when
installing the product, specifically the section on support.

Please feel free to add this email message to the end of your post, I
would
be happy for others to see it as well.

Sincerely,
Sinan

--- Message End
Unfortunately, we do not have a free service that builds and debugs
setups for our customers at this time.


At no time did I ask you to build or debug a project for me. The case
is that I actually offered you a project for reference to investigate
an obvious bug in InstallAWARE.
Since you seemed to be unable to invest any time into the product (as
evidenced by the gross misunderstanding of some of the support emails
you were sent), we thought outsourcing your setup might be the right
thing for your time constraints. I am sorry if it was inappropriate to
suggest our consulting services for you.


May you please post details of my gross misunderstanding with your
software as I believe that lack of information in help files as well as
bugs do not justify your choice of words. I'm happy for you to post my
messages in full and give you permission to do so. May in return will
you grant me permission to publish your replies to those requests so an
objective view for other users is maintained?
Seeing that you do not appreciate our prompt support replies, we will
withdraw the courtesy of free support that was extended to you three
months after your 30-day support period had already expired.


As you may have seen in my original post, at no time have I disregarded
the speed of replies to requests and actually have thanked you and
pointed out that fact in emails to you. However, the quality of support
was not satisfactionary in my opinion.
You may withdraw support at your discretion but strongly believe that
the initial 30-Day period for the company to which I''ve recommended
your product and who has made a purchase has not ended yet. I'll check
this with them.

I hope you will be pleased that I've passed my spoonfeed age a couple
of years ago but if something is just not working I'll start crying and
hope that its put right.

All I can say dear Sinan, I'm grateful for you entering into this
dialog but sense some hostility in your reply. Maybe this is just my
perception but certainly not one most customers will appreciate.

Anyway, I'd be grateful if you can comment on the other points of my
post such as the content of the help file and the answering machine
when calling the corporate number. Do you have a receptionist?

Best Regards,

Martin

Oct 10 '05 #4
I use InstallAware 2 years now and Im very satisfied with the product and
MimarSinan's support.
I dont care if its a big company or one man's show. I see Im getting
responses to my problems and questions in less than 24 hours.

If your your needs are too complicated and requires personal hiring of the
developer, that is your problem. The product itself and the normal support
are excellent.

George Karatsiolis
Altext Software
<th************@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:11**********************@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
Dear Group

My personal review of MimarSinan InstallAWARE Studio 2005 SE as a
courtesy for everyone considering evaluating or buying this product.
There are many reviews out there praising the products features so I
thought I may add my own review, information collected while creating a
project in a live environment.

I've to say, at first glance this product has a lot to offer and seems
to be a better choice than InstallShield Professional which I evaluated
at the same time. InstallAWARE's pricing is also very competitive.

On overall, this is a product with some quirks. One will get used to
them quickly. I appreciate that no produt is perfect and apprecite when
a software vendor takes a greater emphasis on robustness rather than
the UI and I hope that this product becomes more UI compliant as a user
would expect over the years to come.
It's most powerful feature are with no doubt the script editor as well
as the flexibility in designing dialogs.

However, I've reservations and serious concerns about the level of
support being available and having received and if I had this known
before I certainly would not recommend this product despite its
features and price unless there's reassurance by MimarSinan that they
will improve in this matter.

The company seems to consist of only its founder, Sinan Karaca. At
least that is my impression as all support emails I receive come from
his email address. This raises concerns what the situation will be if
that only person becomes ill.

Another disappointing experience was the quality of support received.
As I mentioned, as a developer I appreciate that no software is perfect
as long as this is backed up by keen and pro-active support striving to
resolve any issues.
From my emails to support I didn't get the impression that the company

is actually too interested and an 'error by trial' policy seems to be
in place. I could tolerate this for complex problems and sure would try
this myself before contacting support but if it was in fact the company
founder who provided me with this level of support regarding issues
that seem to be obviously a malfunction in their application then I
start wondering how much they really appreciate their customers apart
from just paying for the product.

Before you contact support one might however consult the InstallAWARE
Help or Support Forum. Help provides basic information to most common
questions but I found that many object properties which I came across
on a regular basis are not listed. One of the biggest drawbacks after
support in my opinion. Consulting the support forum did not yield more
answers to my questions apart from not very detailed replies or the
information that this has never been reported before and therefore must
not be the products fault.

In general, most issues seem to be the customers problem and any of my
suggestions that it migt indeed a problem with the product and any
offered assistance in investigating this issue further were turned down
by InstallAWARE with the response that I can either pay for
professional consultancy or that I can find the answer in going through
their sample applications. May I point out that I never expected them
to do my project for me and as having worked in support myself very
well know what falls in the category consultancy/training or support.

Not satisfiying but tolerable if the sample I'm directed to actually
had addressed my problem. However, in one instance for a Button.click
event a Checkbox.Value sample was suggested.

Summed up, InstallAWARE support email responses might be quick, on
average instant to 8hrs but the quality of support, the help and online
forum has to be questioned.

Just as final point to add, one might stick to email requests as any
call to the company I made was answered by an answering machine and the
one request for a callback was never returned. Despite InstallAWARE
providing the option of phone support on their website.
I might also add, that I tried both numbers, the one in San Francisco,
California and the one in Turkey which can be found on the MirmarSinan
website during the countries respective business hours.

I hope that this is informative to anyone considerating or using
InstallAWARE. I certainly will keep you updated should I have more
information in the future and let you know of any improvements I
notice. Please note that my case might be just an exception and I
invite everyone to try for themselves.

Best Regards,

Martin N Feuersteiner
Invent2b - Innovative Property Business Solutions

Oct 10 '05 #5
I use IA the last year.I'm convinced that it's one of the best products for
deployment out there.I'm very pleased with MimarSinan's support and i really
don't care if it's only one person behind the scenes of the company.I got
the best support, whenever i needed it and that's important.

I personally love this product and i recommend it to everyone.

PS. All softwares have bugs and features to be improved.

Panagiotis Kefalidis
DataFire Software
Oct 10 '05 #6
JED
th************@hotmail.com wrote:
I hope that this is informative to anyone considerating or using
InstallAWARE. I certainly will keep you updated should I have more
information in the future and let you know of any improvements I
notice. Please note that my case might be just an exception and I
invite everyone to try for themselves.


Hi,

I must say that I have been using InstallAware for over a year now and
have not had any major issues with the product or the support. I have
always received prompt replies and fixes or clarification to any issues
I had.

A couple of times, there was already a newer version to download that
addressed my problem. I have also posted suggestions on the online
forum which where welcomed by the developement team and I am looking
forward to those being added to the product.

I hope your issues can be sorted out promptly because as a previous
user of InstallShield, I am glad I made the switch!

cheers,
Jeremy
--
www.jed-software.com
Oct 17 '05 #7

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