It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had
been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye,
passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!! http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport
"Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com
sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the
option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't
offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. Although
the creepy Passport for Kids site is still up and running, and the
notice from last March about the Express Purchase service getting
killed is still up, but I think the definitive bad sign is that the
directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press
release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?" 24 2484
I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a
passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could
afford it.
Brad Shook
"asj" <ka*******@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a3**************************@posting.google.c om... It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!!
http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport
"Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. Although the creepy Passport for Kids site is still up and running, and the notice from last March about the Express Purchase service getting killed is still up, but I think the definitive bad sign is that the directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?"
As has been said before, please don't post this stuff to a technical
newsgroup with the pure intention of riling people - I don't really care
what you post in the advocacy groups but I can't imagine it's on-topic there
either.
Steve
"asj" <ka*******@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:a3**************************@posting.google.c om... It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!!
http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport
"Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. Although the creepy Passport for Kids site is still up and running, and the notice from last March about the Express Purchase service getting killed is still up, but I think the definitive bad sign is that the directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?"
In comp.lang.java.advocacy asj <ka*******@yahoo.com> wrote or quoted: http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport
"Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. [...]"
That is not accurate - as a quick visit to: http://www.ebay.com/
....rapidly shows.
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:41:47 -0500, Brad Shook wrote: I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could afford it.
Not to mention the sheer stupidity in giving all your CRM information away
to another company, and paying them to take it. Especially Microsoft.
It just doesn't make any sense.
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"Brad Shook" <bs****@echd.org.removeme> wrote in message news:<Ok*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>... I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could afford it.
Brad Shook "asj" <ka*******@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a3**************************@posting.google.c om... It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!!
http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport
"Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. Although the creepy Passport for Kids site is still up and running, and the notice from last March about the Express Purchase service getting killed is still up, but I think the definitive bad sign is that the directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?"
..NET died when the banks refused to pay Microsoft for a service they
already had for the promise of increased business which Microsoft
could not make.
On 18 Oct 2004 18:45:11 -0700, ka*******@yahoo.com (asj) wrote: It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!!
Hmm... My MSDN account still uses it.. And eBay still uses it.
Perhaps Monster.com is just cutting costs because they're not making
the money they thought they would.
Rumor has it that Monster's current TV ad campaign is a make-or-break
effort. If it doesn't drum them up new business (remember hiring
companies *pay* to use Monster) they're done for.
While Microsoft's passport goes down: http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118229,00.asp
Sun's LIberty Alliance gains a VERY big member (IBM): http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5420814.html
"With the failure of Passport and the interoperability pact struck in
April of this year with former archrival Sun, Microsoft may elect to
join the Liberty Alliance or support the group's specification.
Microsoft and Sun have said that identity management is one of the
first areas in which they hope to achieve interoperability." ka*******@yahoo.com (asj) wrote in message news:<a3**************************@posting.google. com>... It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!!
http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport
"Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. Although the creepy Passport for Kids site is still up and running, and the notice from last March about the Express Purchase service getting killed is still up, but I think the definitive bad sign is that the directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?"
In article <db**************************@posting.google.com >, thundercleets@ no_spam_here yahoo.com wrote: "Brad Shook" <bs****@echd.org.removeme> wrote in message news:<Ok*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>... I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could afford it.
Brad Shook "asj" <ka*******@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a3**************************@posting.google.c om... > It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had > been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, > passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!! > > http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport > > "Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com > sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the > option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't > offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. Although > the creepy Passport for Kids site is still up and running, and the > notice from last March about the Express Purchase service getting > killed is still up, but I think the definitive bad sign is that the > directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press > release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?"
.NET died when the banks refused to pay Microsoft for a service they already had for the promise of increased business which Microsoft could not make.
..NET != Passport
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In article <a3**************************@posting.google.com > (Thu, 21 Oct
2004 09:54:14 -0700), asj wrote: Sun's LIberty Alliance gains a VERY big member (IBM): http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5420814.html
"With the failure of Passport and the interoperability pact struck in April of this year with former archrival Sun, Microsoft may elect to join the Liberty Alliance or support the group's specification.
Given its past history, Microsoft is sure to ignore the Liberty
Alliance or subvert the group's specification.
Microsoft and Sun have said that identity management is one of the first areas in which they hope to achieve interoperability."
Microsoft and Sun are very high on the list of companies who
have demonstrated they cannot be trusted with any form of "identity
management".
Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When
Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business
rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even
their own employees disdain the use of passport.
I think IBM had been thinking of joining Liberty. On the otherhand
they were holding off to gain a strategic advantage over Sun. A lot of
this had to do with IBM's involvement with the Internet2 Shibboleth
project. Shibboleth was a opensource federated authentication
mechnanism, which used SAML. Now since Liberty is SAML based it makes
a lot of sense. IBM's decision is rather ironic since they have
invested more resources than any other company. But IBM as a company
has not actively pushed directory services. There is of course a much
larger ramifications such as IBM directory and the services that
accompany it. Thankfully the customer pushed IBM in the right
direction. In the long run it will be good for both the customer and
IBM. More importantly it gives them more leverage to prevent Active
Directory and passport from extending and embracing the IT world.
Hamilcar Barca <ha******@tld.always.invalid> wrote in message news:<20*******************@news.newsreader.com>.. . In article <a3**************************@posting.google.com > (Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:54:14 -0700), asj wrote:
Sun's LIberty Alliance gains a VERY big member (IBM): http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-5420814.html
"With the failure of Passport and the interoperability pact struck in April of this year with former archrival Sun, Microsoft may elect to join the Liberty Alliance or support the group's specification. Given its past history, Microsoft is sure to ignore the Liberty Alliance or subvert the group's specification.
Well currently Microsoft is pushing the WS-I standard, but it merge
with Liberty over the next year. Microsoft and Sun have said that identity management is one of the first areas in which they hope to achieve interoperability." Microsoft and Sun are very high on the list of companies who have demonstrated they cannot be trusted with any form of "identity
Well Microsoft has proven this, but I think Sun is still a trusted
company management".
David <da*************@gmail.ihatespamsodoyou.com> wrote in message news:<qh********************************@4ax.com>. .. Hmm... My MSDN account still uses it.. And eBay still uses it. Perhaps Monster.com is just cutting costs because they're not making the money they thought they would.
nope, microsoft is severely scaling back passport and may even join
the liberty alliance. http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,118229,00.asp
> Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even their own employees disdain the use of passport.
I am a business major.
I think IBM had been thinking of joining Liberty. On the otherhand they were holding off to gain a strategic advantage over Sun. A lot of this had to do with IBM's involvement with the Internet2 Shibboleth project. Shibboleth was a opensource federated authentication mechnanism, which used SAML. Now since Liberty is SAML based it makes a lot of sense. IBM's decision is rather ironic since they have invested more resources than any other company. But IBM as a company has not actively pushed directory services. There is of course a much larger ramifications such as IBM directory and the services that accompany it. Thankfully the customer pushed IBM in the right direction. In the long run it will be good for both the customer and IBM. More importantly it gives them more leverage to prevent Active Directory and passport from extending and embracing the IT world. Hamilcar Barca <ha******@tld.always.invalid wrote in message news:<20*******************@news.newsreader.com...
You? Thinking? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Well currently Microsoft is pushing the WS-I standard, but it merge with Liberty over the next year.
But what?
Well Microsoft has proven this, but I think Sun is still a trusted company
Who told you to think?
On 21 Oct 2004 16:25:58 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote: Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even their own employees disdain the use of passport.
Hailstorm failed because there really wasn't a business case to justify it.
Passport, while not a resounding success, isn't a failure. It's used by
more than just MS sites, but that list is rather limited.
For example, ebay uses passport, as does InstallShield, USA Today, ESPN,
etc.. but even if it was only MS, that's still a *LOT* of sites.
Well currently Microsoft is pushing the WS-I standard, but it merge with Liberty over the next year.
I think there's a bigger chance of Liberty merging with Passport than the
other way around.
Tom Shelton <to*@YOUKNOWTHEDRILLmtogden.com> wrote in message news:<_1**************@news.uswest.net>... In article <db**************************@posting.google.com >, thundercleets@ no_spam_here yahoo.com wrote: "Brad Shook" <bs****@echd.org.removeme> wrote in message news:<Ok*************@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl>... I think it is becaues Microsoft charged too much for a company to set up a passport sight. Have you every priced it. $$$$$ only large companies could afford it.
Brad Shook "asj" <ka*******@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:a3**************************@posting.google.c om... > It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had > been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, > passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!! > > http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport > > "Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com > sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the > option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't > offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. Although > the creepy Passport for Kids site is still up and running, and the > notice from last March about the Express Purchase service getting > killed is still up, but I think the definitive bad sign is that the > directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press > release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?"
.NET died when the banks refused to pay Microsoft for a service they already had for the promise of increased business which Microsoft could not make.
.NET != Passport
No, Passport was inclusive but a critical part of the .NET vision.
Microsoft considered using a half assed freemail client as a lynchpin
universal authentication system for sensitive data.
Erik Funkenbusch <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com> writes: For example, ebay uses passport, as does InstallShield, USA Today, ESPN, etc.. but even if it was only MS, that's still a *LOT* of sites.
Do any non-MSFT sites *require* passport for authentication? Sure,
sites with money to burn will add optional support for it, but they
can easily drop that support for lack of interest.
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Erik Funkenbusch <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote in message news:<1w***************@funkenbusch.com>... On 21 Oct 2004 16:25:58 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote:
Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even their own employees disdain the use of passport. Hailstorm failed because there really wasn't a business case to justify it. Passport, while not a resounding success, isn't a failure.
Hailstorm failed because businesses and consumers rejected. The
financial community approached Sun asked them to develop more open
single-signon solution. Businesses were not comfortable that a single
entity or company would store information on a single platform.
It's used by more than just MS sites, but that list is rather limited.
For example, ebay uses passport, as does InstallShield, USA Today, ESPN, etc.. but even if it was only MS, that's still a *LOT* of sites.
Well currently Microsoft is pushing the WS-I standard, but it merge with Liberty over the next year.
I think there's a bigger chance of Liberty merging with Passport than the other way around.
No, Microsoft is no longer pushing Passport as it's single sign-on
solution. What will proably happen is that Liberty and WS-I will
merge.
On 22 Oct 2004 13:53:48 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote: Erik Funkenbusch <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote in message news:<1w***************@funkenbusch.com>... On 21 Oct 2004 16:25:58 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote:
Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even their own employees disdain the use of passport. Hailstorm failed because there really wasn't a business case to justify it. Passport, while not a resounding success, isn't a failure.
Hailstorm failed because businesses and consumers rejected. The financial community approached Sun asked them to develop more open single-signon solution. Businesses were not comfortable that a single entity or company would store information on a single platform. It's used by
You seem to be confusing Hailstorm with Passport. They're not the same
thing. As such, how can one take your analysis when you don't even
understand this difference?
Hailstorm was simply a collection of "for pay" Web services, which have
nothing to do with single sign on.
I think there's a bigger chance of Liberty merging with Passport than the other way around.
No, Microsoft is no longer pushing Passport as it's single sign-on solution. What will proably happen is that Liberty and WS-I will merge.
I haven't seen MS offering any alternative to Passport, and they're still
using it everywhere.
Tom Shelton wrote: .NET != Passport
I think the problem lies with MS - they weren't very clear with their nomenclature.
You're both right! =:)
Fred wrote: "LOADS OF TRIPE"
Who the h*ll are you?
Erik Funkenbusch <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote in message news:<1c***************@funkenbusch.com>... On 22 Oct 2004 13:53:48 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote:
Erik Funkenbusch <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote in message news:<1w***************@funkenbusch.com>... On 21 Oct 2004 16:25:58 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote:
Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even their own employees disdain the use of passport.
Hailstorm failed because there really wasn't a business case to justify it. Passport, while not a resounding success, isn't a failure. Hailstorm failed because businesses and consumers rejected. The financial community approached Sun asked them to develop more open single-signon solution. Businesses were not comfortable that a single entity or company would store information on a single platform. It's used by
You seem to be confusing Hailstorm with Passport. They're not the same thing. As such, how can one take your analysis when you don't even understand this difference?
Hailstorm was simply a collection of "for pay" Web services, which have nothing to do with single sign on. I think there's a bigger chance of Liberty merging with Passport than the other way around.
No, Microsoft is no longer pushing Passport as it's single sign-on solution. What will proably happen is that Liberty and WS-I will merge.
I haven't seen MS offering any alternative to Passport, and they're still using it everywhere.
Microsoft is pushing single sign on as service as opposed to a
Passport service ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...microsoft.com).
Earlier this year Microsoft had a WS-I interoperability pavillon. None
of the vendors or Microsoft were showing Passport.
On 24 Oct 2004 16:17:16 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote: Erik Funkenbusch <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote in message news:<1c***************@funkenbusch.com>... On 22 Oct 2004 13:53:48 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote:
Erik Funkenbusch <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote in message news:<1w***************@funkenbusch.com>... On 21 Oct 2004 16:25:58 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote:
> Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When > Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business > rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even > their own employees disdain the use of passport.
Hailstorm failed because there really wasn't a business case to justify it. Passport, while not a resounding success, isn't a failure.
Hailstorm failed because businesses and consumers rejected. The financial community approached Sun asked them to develop more open single-signon solution. Businesses were not comfortable that a single entity or company would store information on a single platform. It's used by
You seem to be confusing Hailstorm with Passport. They're not the same thing. As such, how can one take your analysis when you don't even understand this difference?
Hailstorm was simply a collection of "for pay" Web services, which have nothing to do with single sign on.
I think there's a bigger chance of Liberty merging with Passport than the other way around.
No, Microsoft is no longer pushing Passport as it's single sign-on solution. What will proably happen is that Liberty and WS-I will merge.
I haven't seen MS offering any alternative to Passport, and they're still using it everywhere.
Microsoft is pushing single sign on as service as opposed to a Passport service (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...microsoft.com). Earlier this year Microsoft had a WS-I interoperability pavillon. None of the vendors or Microsoft were showing Passport.
That's local single-sign on, for enterprise. Not single-sign on for
e-commerce. That's a service that runs locally and authenticates against
your own credential databases (AD, LDAP, etc..) rather than a single
sign-on that allows you to go to different sites and login once.
One can only hope that a universal solution comes to play, rahther than each
IT major coming with its own identity management solution.
"asj" wrote: It seems that Microsoft may be slowly phasing away Passport, which had been one of the hyped components of the eroded dotnet hype....bye bye, passport, we hardly knew ye! bwahahahbwahahaha!!!!!
http://www.dashes.com/anil/2004/10/17/wither_passport
"Microsoft hasn't talked much about Passport lately, but Monster.com sent out an email last week saying that they were discontinuing the option to sign in using Passport. And I noticed today that eBay isn't offering the option to sign in with Passport anymore either. Although the creepy Passport for Kids site is still up and running, and the notice from last March about the Express Purchase service getting killed is still up, but I think the definitive bad sign is that the directory of sites using Passport is gone. Was there some press release from Microsoft about Passport dying? Did I miss it?"
Erik Funkenbusch <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote in message news:<1a***************@funkenbusch.com>... On 24 Oct 2004 16:17:16 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote:
Erik Funkenbusch <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote in message news:<1c***************@funkenbusch.com>... On 22 Oct 2004 13:53:48 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote:
Erik Funkenbusch <er**@despam-funkenbusch.com> wrote in message news:<1w***************@funkenbusch.com>... > On 21 Oct 2004 16:25:58 -0700, Randall Shimizu wrote: > >> Well Passport has essentially been failure from the beginning. When >> Microsoft introduced Hailstorm services (ie My services.net) business >> rejected it. Today Passport is used for Microsoft sites only even >> their own employees disdain the use of passport. > > Hailstorm failed because there really wasn't a business case to justify it. > Passport, while not a resounding success, isn't a failure. Hailstorm failed because businesses and consumers rejected. The financial community approached Sun asked them to develop more open single-signon solution. Businesses were not comfortable that a single entity or company would store information on a single platform. It's used by
You seem to be confusing Hailstorm with Passport. They're not the same thing. As such, how can one take your analysis when you don't even understand this difference?
Hailstorm was simply a collection of "for pay" Web services, which have nothing to do with single sign on.
> I think there's a bigger chance of Liberty merging with Passport than the > other way around.
No, Microsoft is no longer pushing Passport as it's single sign-on solution. What will proably happen is that Liberty and WS-I will merge.
I haven't seen MS offering any alternative to Passport, and they're still using it everywhere.
Microsoft is pushing single sign on as service as opposed to a Passport service (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...microsoft.com). Earlier this year Microsoft had a WS-I interoperability pavillon. None of the vendors or Microsoft were showing Passport.
That's local single-sign on, for enterprise. Not single-sign on for e-commerce. That's a service that runs locally and authenticates against your own credential databases (AD, LDAP, etc..) rather than a single sign-on that allows you to go to different sites and login once.
WS-I and or other single-sign on solutions are not solution solution
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