The Suckkiness of CSS

[John Bailo]

CSS shills Bill Gate and Skieve Balmy make comparisons of quality
between CSS and GLOSS (Gnu Linux Open Source Software ).

Ok, let's test that theory. I work on both a FedoraRC1 and w2k machine.

So, on my w2k machine I want to listen to music. I install
RealPlayerOne. I switch it to my favorite streaming station
www.3wk.com . No sound. The little VU meter says there is sound. But
there is no sound.

Install winAmp. Go to the install processs. Find a cool station.
Click. VU on. No. sound.

Try mp9. It doesn't launch from the task bar quick launch. Click,
click, click....ok, REBOOT. 5 minutes later ( yep, it takes that long
), I can use mp9.

BUt you know what -- I've added 3wk Underground Radio and 3wk Classic
Underground Radio to my /Favorites/ about 10 times now, yet my
*favorites* list is empty.

People -- Windows Media Player is a product with a long history. It's
been through tons of quality and code reviews. It's been enhanced and
tested by hundreds of QA Engineers AND users.

There should not be even the /smallest/ bug. But -- there it is. AND I
have yet to even find out why RP1 and WA don't have sound ? This is on
a standard Gateway Celeron PC. It's from a major hardware vendor using
major CSS products.

Why do we pay for CSS crapware when quality OSS software is available
that exceeds the quality standards of the /for pay/ products ?????

[Fredie]

Hey

you're in danger of getting me going.

I have so many problems just like the ones you describe. My latest is trying
to record streaming audio MP3 files - the %*..*&)& mixer keeps unchecking
the check box that I religiously check - and recording stops as soon as it
does so. And guess what, I don't get any warning that this is happening.

Then its crash, slow grind. Windows XP professional. Ug.
John Bailo <jb****@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:0b******************************@news.teranew s.com...

CSS shills Bill Gate and Skieve Balmy make comparisons of quality
between CSS and GLOSS (Gnu Linux Open Source Software ).

Ok, let's test that theory. I work on both a FedoraRC1 and w2k machine.

So, on my w2k machine I want to listen to music. I install
RealPlayerOne. I switch it to my favorite streaming station
www.3wk.com . No sound. The little VU meter says there is sound. But
there is no sound.

Install winAmp. Go to the install processs. Find a cool station.
Click. VU on. No. sound.

Try mp9. It doesn't launch from the task bar quick launch. Click,
click, click....ok, REBOOT. 5 minutes later ( yep, it takes that long
), I can use mp9.

BUt you know what -- I've added 3wk Underground Radio and 3wk Classic
Underground Radio to my /Favorites/ about 10 times now, yet my
*favorites* list is empty.

People -- Windows Media Player is a product with a long history. It's
been through tons of quality and code reviews. It's been enhanced and
tested by hundreds of QA Engineers AND users.

There should not be even the /smallest/ bug. But -- there it is. AND I
have yet to even find out why RP1 and WA don't have sound ? This is on
a standard Gateway Celeron PC. It's from a major hardware vendor using
major CSS products.

Why do we pay for CSS crapware when quality OSS software is available
that exceeds the quality standards of the /for pay/ products ?????

[AngleWyrm]

"John Bailo" <jb****@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:0b******************************@news.teranew s.com...

So, on my w2k machine I want to listen to music. I install
RealPlayerOne. I switch it to my favorite streaming station
www.3wk.com . No sound. The little VU meter says there is sound. But
there is no sound.

Install winAmp. Go to the install processs. Find a cool station.
Click. VU on. No. sound.

Try mp9. It doesn't launch from the task bar quick launch. Click,
click, click....ok, REBOOT. 5 minutes later ( yep, it takes that long
), I can use mp9.

And after the reboot, did you test all three again?

[Scott M.]

And here I thought this was a .NET NG.
"John Bailo" <jb****@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:0b******************************@news.teranew s.com...

CSS shills Bill Gate and Skieve Balmy make comparisons of quality
between CSS and GLOSS (Gnu Linux Open Source Software ).

Ok, let's test that theory. I work on both a FedoraRC1 and w2k machine.

So, on my w2k machine I want to listen to music. I install
RealPlayerOne. I switch it to my favorite streaming station
www.3wk.com . No sound. The little VU meter says there is sound. But
there is no sound.

Install winAmp. Go to the install processs. Find a cool station.
Click. VU on. No. sound.

Try mp9. It doesn't launch from the task bar quick launch. Click,
click, click....ok, REBOOT. 5 minutes later ( yep, it takes that long
), I can use mp9.

BUt you know what -- I've added 3wk Underground Radio and 3wk Classic
Underground Radio to my /Favorites/ about 10 times now, yet my
*favorites* list is empty.

People -- Windows Media Player is a product with a long history. It's
been through tons of quality and code reviews. It's been enhanced and
tested by hundreds of QA Engineers AND users.

There should not be even the /smallest/ bug. But -- there it is. AND I
have yet to even find out why RP1 and WA don't have sound ? This is on
a standard Gateway Celeron PC. It's from a major hardware vendor using
major CSS products.

Why do we pay for CSS crapware when quality OSS software is available
that exceeds the quality standards of the /for pay/ products ?????

[Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz]

begin In <0b******************************@news.teranews.co m>, on
01/29/2004
at 07:01 PM, John Bailo <jb****@earthlink.net> said:

Subject: The Suckkiness of CSS
Am I the only one to wonder what you have against Cascading Style
Sheets?
CSS shills Bill Gate and Skieve Balmy
Don't confuse proprietary software with m$ malware. There are
companies with good products and good support.
Why do we pay for CSS crapware

Illegal bundling.

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I think someone got the porno virus...

[The Ghost In The Machine]

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
<sp******@library.lspace.org.invalid>
wrote
on Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:51:52 -0500
<40***************************@news.patriot.net> :

begin In <0b******************************@news.teranews.co m>, on
01/29/2004
at 07:01 PM, John Bailo <jb****@earthlink.net> said:

Subject: The Suckkiness of CSS
Am I the only one to wonder what you have against Cascading Style
Sheets?

Ah, ambiguity. I think he's referring to Closed Source Systems.

(Personally, I like CSS. It's a pity IE has some problems therewith.)

CSS shills Bill Gate and Skieve Balmy
Don't confuse proprietary software with m$ malware. There are
companies with good products and good support.

Good point.

Why do we pay for CSS crapware

Illegal bundling.

And intimidation of vendors. Even now, my understanding is
that vendors are pressured not to offer "OS-less systems".
(Fortunately, at least one -- Dell -- has figured out that
one can just as easily put FreeDOS thereon.)

--
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It's still legal to go .sigless.

[Cable Speed Test]

"The Ghost In The Machine" <ew***@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> wrote in
message news:0r************@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net...

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
<sp******@library.lspace.org.invalid>
wrote
on Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:51:52 -0500
<40***************************@news.patriot.net> :

begin In <0b******************************@news.teranews.co m>, on
01/29/2004
at 07:01 PM, John Bailo <jb****@earthlink.net> said:

Subject: The Suckkiness of CSS

Am I the only one to wonder what you have against Cascading Style
Sheets?

Ah, ambiguity. I think he's referring to Closed Source Systems.

(Personally, I like CSS. It's a pity IE has some problems therewith.)

Problems ? I think I prefer IE's method of handling overloaded layout
blocks, positioned absolutely, over Mozilla's strict adherance to W3C
standards.

And, as far as relitive positioning, I think IE wins again...( I can hear
the howls of protest starting ) but that's just me....

A more perfect world would be if every browser strictly adhered to the W3C,
but we know that's not going to occur in Redmond.

[Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz]

begin In <0r************@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net>, on 02/02/2004
at 01:00 AM, The Ghost In The Machine
<ew***@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> said:

Ah, ambiguity. I think he's referring to Closed Source Systems.
Il va sans dire. But I couldn't resist a setup line like that.
(Personally, I like CSS.
Well, within the constraints of HTML CSS2 is probably as good as it's
going to get. Personally I think that we'd be better of without HTML.
Imagine a WWW based on SGML with a relatively free choice of DTD.
It's a pity IE has some problems therewith.
IE *is* a problem.
And intimidation of vendors.

That's part and parcel of the illegal bundling. I consider it to be an
obligation to boycott such vendors.

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Followups.

In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
<sp******@library.lspace.org.invalid>
wrote
on Mon, 02 Feb 2004 11:56:42 -0500
<40***************************@news.patriot.net> :

begin In <0r************@lexi2.athghost7038suus.net>, on 02/02/2004
at 01:00 AM, The Ghost In The Machine
<ew***@sirius.athghost7038suus.net> said:

Ah, ambiguity. I think he's referring to Closed Source Systems.
Il va sans dire. But I couldn't resist a setup line like that.

(Personally, I like CSS.

Well, within the constraints of HTML CSS2 is probably as good as it's
going to get. Personally I think that we'd be better of without HTML.
Imagine a WWW based on SGML with a relatively free choice of DTD.

I wouldn't mind. :-) I've already got a system whereby I type
up SGML, convert it to HTML/frames, and publish it.

It's a nice system, too, as the chapters are placed in a control frame
and one can jump to any one of them. It can also handle hyperlinks
and embedded pictures. (I've not tried applets or objects, and
am not entirely sure how SGML would handle such anyway.)

It's a pity IE has some problems therewith.
IE *is* a problem.

Well, generally, yes. I was trying to confine the discussion to
CSS1/CSS2 but those 13 unpatched bugs (or is it more like 30 now?)
do make me nervous.

And intimidation of vendors.

That's part and parcel of the illegal bundling. I consider it to be an
obligation to boycott such vendors.

It's a thought. :-)

--
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It's still legal to go .sigless.

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Dear Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz:

"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <sp******@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
message news:40***************************@news.patriot.ne t...

Do NOT post attachments on usenet.

[N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)]

Dear Kadaitcha Man:

"Kadaitcha Man" <no****@rainx.cjb.net> wrote in message
news:2v******************************@cat.bluesun. net...

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:

Dear Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz:

"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <sp******@library.lspace.org.invalid>
wrote in message
news:40***************************@news.patriot.ne t...

Do NOT post attachments on usenet.

Go and fuck yourself with a broken bottle, you fucking natzi cuntwipe.

Thank you for venting. Your vocabulary is unremarkable.

It is not your hard disk space. The rules are established by those who pay
for the disk space, and those who use it. Attachments are placed here by
those wishing to spread viruses/worms/trojans and the like. Some people
have browsers that require them to download *everything*, and do it over a
dial-up connection.

Grow a conscience.

David A. Smith

[Scott M.]

> Do NOT post attachments on usenet.

While the particular attachment you are referring to may be useless, there
is no reason why attachments can't be posted on the USENET.

There is also no netiquite against it and many times is is preferable
(especially when passing code modules along to others).

[Jeff Relf]

Hi Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz , You comment ,
" I think that we'd be better of without HTML " ,

I'd love to see Usenet-style text on the web ,
complete with :
_ Only one monospaced font , Unicode , of course .
_ Highlighted links , without the aid of any markups .
_ Input fields , with no special fonts or boarders .
_ No pop-ups of any kind , nothing happing by default .
_ Full mouse support .
_ Ability to maximize or magnify all pictures .
_ Etc.

[John Bailo]

Jeff Relf wrote:

Hi Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz , You comment ,
" I think that we'd be better of without HTML " ,

I'd love to see Usenet-style text on the web ,
complete with :
_ Only one monospaced font , Unicode , of course .
_ Highlighted links , without the aid of any markups .
_ Input fields , with no special fonts or boarders .
_ No pop-ups of any kind , nothing happing by default .
_ Full mouse support .
_ Ability to maximize or magnify all pictures .
_ Etc.

Thus spake the 20th century man,

crying for the past,

unable to adapt to the new congested world.
--
*W '04* <:> Open Source <:> Open Competition

[Black Betty]

"N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox T:ne*@nospam.com> wrote in
message news:OKDTb.17431$tP1.5449@fed1read07...

Dear Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz:

"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <sp******@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
message news:40***************************@news.patriot.ne t...

Do NOT post attachments on usenet.

Thats funny. You actually made me laugh out loud("lol" for you newbies".


http://www.blackbetty.com

[N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)]

Dear Scott M. and Black Betty

"Scott M." <s-***@BADSPAMsnet.net> wrote in message
news:uR**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

Do NOT post attachments on usenet.
While the particular attachment you are referring to may be useless,

there is no reason why attachments can't be posted on the USENET.

There is also no netiquite against it and many times is is preferable
(especially when passing code modules along to others).

Understood. This thread did manage to migrate over onto "sci.", and
attachments are bad form here. Not that it matters, but over here, we post
the material on our webspace, and link to it in the thread.

Over to you folks.

David A. Smith

[Peter Köhlmann]

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:

Dear Scott M. and Black Betty

"Scott M." <s-***@BADSPAMsnet.net> wrote in message
news:uR**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

> Do NOT post attachments on usenet.

While the particular attachment you are referring to may be useless,

there

is no reason why attachments can't be posted on the USENET.

There is also no netiquite against it and many times is is preferable
(especially when passing code modules along to others).

Understood. This thread did manage to migrate over onto "sci.", and
attachments are bad form here. Not that it matters, but over here, we
post the material on our webspace, and link to it in the thread.

Over to you folks.

David A. Smith

There are *no* attachments. Those are just figments of the "imagination" of
the crappiest "newsreader" known to mankind, OE.
Which you use. Shame on you for using substandard garbage
--
Microsoft's Guide To System Design:
Let it get in YOUR way. The problem for your problem.

[Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz]

begin In <uR**************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl>, on 02/02/2004
at 10:09 PM, "Scott M." <s-***@BADSPAMsnet.net> said:

While the particular attachment you are referring to may be useless,
The attachment that he is complaining about does not exist; there was
no attachment in <40***************************@news.patriot.net> .
there is no reason why attachments can't be posted on the USENET.

There is a very good and long established reason that attachments
should not be used on Usenet except in news groups where they are
appropriate; they break compatibility with older software. In
particular, binary attachments should only be used in binary news
groups.

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[Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz]

begin In <OKDTb.17431$tP1.5449@fed1read07>, on 02/02/2004
at 07:32 PM, "N:dlzc D:aol T:com \(dlzc\)" <N: dlzc1 D:cox
T:ne*@nospam.com> said:

Do NOT post attachments on usenet.

Attachments? I don't see no stinking attachments. Please get a real
news reader.

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[paul cooke]

N:dlzc D:aol T:com (dlzc) wrote:

Dear Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz:

"Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz" <sp******@library.lspace.org.invalid> wrote in
message news:40***************************@news.patriot.ne t...

Do NOT post attachments on usenet.

what attachment??? there was no attachment in his message. There's a bug in
your newsclient which I can demonstrate perfectly with the following little
passage of text...

Hello children. Are we sitting comfortably??? Then we shall
begin We know that you are using a newsclient that has a
particular bug and therefore it sometimes amuses us to make
fun of the fact. Why don't you go and get hold of one of the
many free newsclients for MS-windows then and do youself a
favour??? Try Free Agent... who knows, you might like it enough
to go and buy the full Forte Agent package. But there are many
others to try. Just set your browser to google advanced search
and do a search on free newsreaders for microsoft windows, that
should bring up a nice list to investigate.

(oops, I accidently used a space instead of a full stop after the word
"begin" and it happened to land on the beginning of a line... ooer)

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