Another FAILED n-Tier / OOP Web project.......

[nospam]

THIS IS the DOTNETJUNKIES MESSAGE
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We're Sorry
As many of you know we have recently launched SqlJunkies.com. We have
overhauled our runtime and will be using it on DotNetJunkies.com also.
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YEP, DOTNET JUNKIES REDESIGN....

What happened to the OOP n-Tier stuff? Huhhhhhh??????

Where is that 2-SECOND CHANGE?

WOW...TOTAL REBUILD OF THE ENTIRE ENGINE!!!!

HOW COME THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE?

WHAT HAPPENED TO THE DESIGN PHASE??????

BUT OOP and n-TIER IS SUPPOSED TO FLEXIBLE AND EXTENSIBLE TO ALL VAST DESIGN
CHANGES ISN'T IT?

BUT GUESS WHAT? IT DIDN"T HAPPEN.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

IT MEANS YOU CAN"T PREDICT THE FUTURE in YOUR DESIGN PHASE!!!!

EVEN A MODERATELY COMPLEX site like DotNetJunkies can't do it, why in the
world should you think that a corporate site that has COMPETITORS be able to
do it??????

Did it ever occur to you that as the web site gets older, it will get more
features and more requirements that will NEVER be designed for in the DESIGN
PHASE of OOP n-Tier methodology?

WEB SITES ARE NOT LIKE HOUSES or BUILDING CARS where you have a BLUEPRINT
(OR OBJECT MODEL) of what to make. What good is your OBJECT MODEL if the KEY
things change all the time?

OH, but what about INHERITANCE? Well, doesn't seem to be used that
effectively by the DotNetJunkies site does it? IF they did use Inheritance,
why did they have to do a complete engine redesign?

Well it's because they want a CLEAN site......INHERITANCE = LEGACY = LOWER
QUALITY = 2 CODE BASES = MORE MAINTENANCE = MORE WORK = MORE TIME WASTED
You OOP n-TIER fanactics have to face up to the fact the the OOP model can't
work in the business world? Where are all those design patterns?

If these guys can't do it, why should you MVP's and OOP FANATICS who don't
even have a web site be able to do it?

BUILDING A PRODUCTION WEB SITE IS A LOT HARDER THEN JUST ANSWERING QUESTIONS
ON THE NEWSGROUPS or TEACHING ANY and ALL .NET CLASSES OR EVEN GIVING OUT A
PDC SEMINAR....

EVEN THE .NET PORTAL and DOTNETNUKE have LOTS AND LOTS of trouble
implementing changes...
Why should you expect it to be any different for an even larger e-Commerce
Fortune 500 web site?????
STICK THAT IN YOUR EAR!!!!!!

THOSE ARE THE FACTS. PERIOD.

IF YOU are STILL so BRAINWASHED on the n-TIER / OOP BENEFITS you are in
COMPLETE DENIAL OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE REAL WORLD.

AND THAT"S WHY YOUR JOBS ARE GOING OFFSHORE. BECAUSE OOP AND N-TIER
ARCHITECTURE PRODUCE LOW QUALITY PRODUCTS and IF I am going to get LOW
quality products why should I pay TOP consulting fee prices....????

THIS IS THE REST OF THEIR MESSAGE...
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We're Sorry
As many of you know we have recently launched SqlJunkies.com. We have
overhauled our runtime and will be using it on DotNetJunkies.com also. With
the new runtime and build we implemented a central users database so you
don't have to sign up on multiple sites. The downfall is that we had to put
a hold on the database currently running DotNetJunkies. What that means to
you is that we can't add new articles, news, events, or even members.
Although, new members can sign up on SqlJunkies Here and when we launch the
new build of DotNetJunkies you will automatically be a member.
Rest assured we have a ton of articles and how to's on hold so when we
launch you'll see a ton of new stuff.

Again we're sorry for any hassle we may be causing and the new build will be
up shortly.

[Brian Smith]

Have you thought of attending an anger management course?

brian (real name :-))

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:eu**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

If you really want to LEARN something, TRY ACTUALLY DOING IT instead of
sticking your head in some book made by authors who they themselves don't
produce production code, NOR maintain their web site and see all the
problems. Tiny pieces of *example* code in a book is a way way different
then an entire enterprise application that YOU, YOURSELF, PERSONALLY have to MAINTAIN.

There is a BIG difference in an OOP / n-TIER architect who sits around
telling other programmers what to do and creating his object model diagram
in Visio or Rational or whatever you want in like UML and USE CASES, AND the ACTUAL PROGRAMMER who has to understand all that FAILED OOP crap from some
arrogant nitwit whose only accomplishment is their resume that is full of
HOLLOW technical articles or books and a bunch of 3 or 4 letter acronyms.

PERIOD.

[nospam]

Why not right here in the NG?

Sorry to shed some light on the AUTHORS, GURUS, MVP's in this world, but
these people are just like the ACADEMIA who publish BOOKS and TEACH COURSES
from business to engineering to computer science...

There is a BIG BIG difference in
(1) Teaching and Writing about something and producing snippets of example
code
and then
(2) actually DOING that something in a day in and day out production
environment.
There is even more of a difference between the two now since technology
changes so much, there is no way that these book authors, mvp, etc can
really get a significant amount of PRODUCTION experience and at the same
time write a book that also has deadlines.
Don't you just hate it when a single person can just say a single thing and
the entire Author/Guru/MVP/MCSD/Speaker bubble of B.S. Authority just blows
up.
FLAME ON!!!!!

"Brian Smith" <bs****@nospam.leazes.com> wrote in message
news:%2****************@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...

Have you thought of attending an anger management course?

brian (real name :-))

"nospam" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
news:eu**************@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...

If you really want to LEARN something, TRY ACTUALLY DOING IT instead of
sticking your head in some book made by authors who they themselves don't produce production code, NOR maintain their web site and see all the
problems. Tiny pieces of *example* code in a book is a way way different then an entire enterprise application that YOU, YOURSELF, PERSONALLY have

to

MAINTAIN.

There is a BIG difference in an OOP / n-TIER architect who sits around
telling other programmers what to do and creating his object model

diagram in Visio or Rational or whatever you want in like UML and USE CASES, AND

the

ACTUAL PROGRAMMER who has to understand all that FAILED OOP crap from some arrogant nitwit whose only accomplishment is their resume that is full of HOLLOW technical articles or books and a bunch of 3 or 4 letter acronyms.
PERIOD.