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Why choose SQL Express over Access?

ljh
Why would you choose SQL Express (which requires an installed application to
work) over the simplicity of an Access database which has no dependencies?

May 30 '06
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Microsoft.

"Bob" <bo*@datasync.c om> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ p79g2000cwp.goo glegroups.com.. .

btw, what does "MSFT" stand for?

Thanks,

Jun 14 '06 #71
Thanks Bob :)

I just got back from TechED, and yes, you do need a helicopter, and don't
worry, we are all barely avoiding trees/buildings/power lines :)

I am glad you found the code helpful.
--

- Sahil Malik
http://www.winsmarts.com
http://blah.winsmarts.com

"Bob" <bo*@datasync.c om> wrote in message
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Sahil --

Excellent idea! I wrestled for a long time with trying to use Access
and when the match was over, I realized that getting Access to work
under "OleDb" was as hard or harder than just learning SQL!! I am now
riding the helicopter and -- you absolutely won't believe this -- had a
bad dream last night that I WAS in a helicopter and just barely
avoiding crashing into trees, buildings, and power lines.

btw, I arrived at your web site along the way in my Access/Sql travels,
and found your code about creating databases and tables in SQL using
VB.NET very helpful. Thanks so much.
Sahil Malik [MVP C#] wrote:
With the pace at which MSFT is releasing new stuff, I suggest getting
over
the concept of climbing mountains and investing in a helicopter. :)

- Sahil Malik [MVP]
http://blah.winsmarts.com

<bo*@datasync.c om> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ y43g2000cwc.goo glegroups.com.. .
>
> The best reason for guys like me: I ALREADY KNOW HOW TO USE ACCESS!!!
>
> I've just obtained vb.net express and I'm having enough trouble
> learning how to use it (and un-learning VB6). Right now, I don't want
> to climb another mountain while I'm climbing this one.
>
>
> Sahil Malik [MVP C#] wrote:
>> Short incomplete list of reasons -
>>
>> - SQL Express (or SQL Server in general) will scale better to multiple
>> users.
>> - It will give you a "way out" when your DB exceeds 4GB
>> - It will be easier to maintain from a DBA point of view (centralized
>> backups *.*)
>> - It will give you a much richer feature set - notification, SQLCLR,
>> better
>> T-SQL*.*
>> - It will give you better performance (No OleDb necessary)
>> - You won't have to compact it as often
>> - Better support for data types/indexes etc. etc.
>> - Other reasons.
>>
>> The only advantage Access gives you is "File based deployment". And
>> frankly
>> SQL Anywhere (or was it everywhere - I loose track in all these name
>> changes) should be a better choice for desktop-ish applications
>> anyway.
>>
>> - Sahil Malik
>> http://www.winsmarts.com
>>
>>
>> "ljh" <So**@where.els e> wrote in message
>> news:kP******** ***********@big news3.bellsouth .net...
>> > Why would you choose SQL Express (which requires an installed
>> > application
>> > to work) over the simplicity of an Access database which has no
>> > dependencies?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>

Jun 17 '06 #72
There is indeed a mathematical principal behind all that goes on in this
world, Neo. ;-)

- Sahil Malik
http://www.winsmarts.com
http://blah.winsmarts.com


"Bob" <bo*@datasync.c om> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ p79g2000cwp.goo glegroups.com.. .
Sahil --

After writing my last reply to your message, I still can't believe that
I had the helicopter dream last night. I rode in a helicopter once in
my life, and that was about 30 years ago. I have NEVER (that I can
remember) ever had a helicopter dream -- until last night. I haven't
checked the time of your message, but I suspect that my dream must have
occurred after you wrote me your message. I really wonder if there is
some "medium" out there that carries brain waves around, or something,
whereby my subconcious received some glint of your thought before I
actually read it. WOW!

btw, what does "MSFT" stand for?

Thanks,
Sahil Malik [MVP C#] wrote:
With the pace at which MSFT is releasing new stuff, I suggest getting
over
the concept of climbing mountains and investing in a helicopter. :)

- Sahil Malik [MVP]
http://blah.winsmarts.com

<bo*@datasync.c om> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ y43g2000cwc.goo glegroups.com.. .
>
> The best reason for guys like me: I ALREADY KNOW HOW TO USE ACCESS!!!
>
> I've just obtained vb.net express and I'm having enough trouble
> learning how to use it (and un-learning VB6). Right now, I don't want
> to climb another mountain while I'm climbing this one.
>
>
> Sahil Malik [MVP C#] wrote:
>> Short incomplete list of reasons -
>>
>> - SQL Express (or SQL Server in general) will scale better to multiple
>> users.
>> - It will give you a "way out" when your DB exceeds 4GB
>> - It will be easier to maintain from a DBA point of view (centralized
>> backups *.*)
>> - It will give you a much richer feature set - notification, SQLCLR,
>> better
>> T-SQL*.*
>> - It will give you better performance (No OleDb necessary)
>> - You won't have to compact it as often
>> - Better support for data types/indexes etc. etc.
>> - Other reasons.
>>
>> The only advantage Access gives you is "File based deployment". And
>> frankly
>> SQL Anywhere (or was it everywhere - I loose track in all these name
>> changes) should be a better choice for desktop-ish applications
>> anyway.
>>
>> - Sahil Malik
>> http://www.winsmarts.com
>>
>>
>> "ljh" <So**@where.els e> wrote in message
>> news:kP******** ***********@big news3.bellsouth .net...
>> > Why would you choose SQL Express (which requires an installed
>> > application
>> > to work) over the simplicity of an Access database which has no
>> > dependencies?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>

Jun 17 '06 #73

Are there any comparisons/tests for concurrent usage that show SQLite
to behave better than Access? I haven't looked at Access as a database
for a web app since the ASP classic days, and I like what SQLite has to
offer, but want to be sure I won't end up with the same problems that
Access is notorious for. One thing that Access has in its favor is that
the DB can be copied to a client's PC and you can be sure they can
check out the contents with Office.
Peter wrote:
If you really are looking for a lightweight, fast, no - deployment database
then why not look into SQLite? There's an ADO.NET and an ADO.NET 2.0 provider
(thanks to Robert Simpson) and it screams compared to MS Access. Not even an
MDAC dependency.
Peter

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"ljh" wrote:
Why would you choose SQL Express (which requires an installed application to
work) over the simplicity of an Access database which has no dependencies?


Jun 21 '06 #74
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news:11******** **************@ i40g2000cwc.goo glegroups.com.. .

Are there any comparisons/tests for concurrent usage that show SQLite
to behave better than Access? I haven't looked at Access as a database
for a web app since the ASP classic days, and I like what SQLite has to
offer, but want to be sure I won't end up with the same problems that
Access is notorious for. One thing that Access has in its favor is that
the DB can be copied to a client's PC and you can be sure they can
check out the contents with Office.


There are an equally large number of people that consider that "feature" a
showstopper and a nightmare :)

I have a few SQLite vs. Access/Firebird/Vista/Sql Express benchmarks here:
http://sqlite.phxsoftware.com/forums/622/ShowPost.aspx

As for the rest ... you'll find a features overview (as it pertains to the
ADO.NET 2.0 provider) at the main site:
http://sqlite.phxsoftware.com

Robert
Jun 21 '06 #75

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