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Dr. Dobbs has a /glowing/ article on Ruby on Rails this month.

What do you guys think?

Can it replace .net, php and java?

And be the Open Source OOP web solution that is not bound to Sun or MS?

http://media.rubyonrails.org/present...itofbeauty.pdf

May 15 '06
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"asj" <ka*******@yaho o.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ j55g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
John A. Bailo wrote:
Can it replace .net, php and java?


No. Hype passes unless it has widespread industry or popular backing.
Ruby has neither, although JRuby on Rails is being pushed in JavaOne
this week.


Is this true?? Why on earth would Sun be interested in pushing new hype
languages at a conference specifically focussed on Java? Or is it
specifically about JRuby rather than Ruby (on Rails)?
May 16 '06 #11

"Timo Stamm" <ti********@arc or.de> wrote in message
news:44******** **************@ newsread2.arcor-online.net...
asj schrieb:
John A. Bailo wrote:
Can it replace .net, php and java?


No. Hype passes unless it has widespread industry or popular backing.
Ruby has neither, although JRuby on Rails is being pushed in JavaOne
this week.


PHP had neither, and it is a de-facto standard today.

It is? for what?
May 16 '06 #12
On Tue, 16 May 2006 11:44:40 +0100, Remon van Vliet <re***@exmachin a.nl>
wrote:

"Timo Stamm" <ti********@arc or.de> wrote in message
news:44******** **************@ newsread2.arcor-online.net...
asj schrieb:
John A. Bailo wrote:
Can it replace .net, php and java?

No. Hype passes unless it has widespread industry or popular backing..
Ruby has neither, although JRuby on Rails is being pushed in JavaOne
this week.


PHP had neither, and it is a de-facto standard today.

It is? for what?


I wouldn't call it a standard, but PHP hosting is nearly ubiquitous.
Every cheap web host seems to offer PHP + MySQL pre-configured. Java
servlet/JSP hosting by contrast is much more expensive. If Ruby starts to
become as widely deployed as PHP, then Rails becomes a very attractive
choice for the kind of off-the-shelf web-apps that are currently the
domain of PHP (message boards, online communities, content management
systems, etc.).

Dan.

--
Daniel Dyer
http://www.dandyer.co.uk
May 16 '06 #13
asj
Timo Stamm wrote:
asj schrieb:
John A. Bailo wrote:
Can it replace .net, php and java?


No. Hype passes unless it has widespread industry or popular backing.
Ruby has neither, although JRuby on Rails is being pushed in JavaOne
this week.


PHP had neither, and it is a de-facto standard today.


PHP fulfilled a niche that was not there - cheap, easy, open source web
development - in that sense, it had built in pupular backing, and being
bundled with apache, the world's most popular web server didn't hurt
either. That's the niche that ruby is trying for, and PHP is already
there. Is Ruby bundled with anything? Are hosting services rushing to
use it? I've seen it in a very few, but not even close to how
ubiquitous PHP is.

May 16 '06 #14
asj

Remon van Vliet wrote:
"asj" <ka*******@yaho o.com> wrote in message
No. Hype passes unless it has widespread industry or popular backing.
Ruby has neither, although JRuby on Rails is being pushed in JavaOne
this week.


Is this true?? Why on earth would Sun be interested in pushing new hype
languages at a conference specifically focussed on Java? Or is it
specifically about JRuby rather than Ruby (on Rails)?


JRuby. It would be nice if more languages run well on the JVM.
http://headius.blogspot.com/

May 16 '06 #15
Daniel Dyer schrieb:
On Tue, 16 May 2006 11:44:40 +0100, Remon van Vliet <re***@exmachin a.nl>
wrote:

"Timo Stamm" <ti********@arc or.de> wrote in message
news:44******** **************@ newsread2.arcor-online.net...
asj schrieb:
John A. Bailo wrote:
> Can it replace .net, php and java?

No. Hype passes unless it has widespread industry or popular backing.
Ruby has neither, although JRuby on Rails is being pushed in JavaOne
this week.

PHP had neither, and it is a de-facto standard today. It is? for what?


I wouldn't call it a standard,


From wikipedia.org:

| De facto is a Latin expression that means "in fact" or "in practice".
| It is commonly used in contrast to de jure (which means "by law") when
| referring to matters of law, governance, or technique (such as
| standards), that are found in the common experience as created or
| developed without or against a regulation.

Calling PHP on webservers a standard would be wrong because nobody ever
standardized it oficially. Calling it a "de-facto" standard is perfectly
valid, though.

but PHP hosting is nearly ubiquitous. [...]


Yes.
Timo
May 16 '06 #16
In comp.lang.java. programmer John A. Bailo <ja*****@texeme .com> wrote:

Dr. Dobbs has a /glowing/ article on Ruby on Rails this month.

What do you guys think?

Can it replace .net, php and java?

And be the Open Source OOP web solution that is not bound to Sun or MS?


No, the replacement will be seaside on squeak, or something similar.

Stephan
May 16 '06 #17
Stephan Eggermont schrieb:
In comp.lang.java. programmer John A. Bailo <ja*****@texeme .com> wrote:
Dr. Dobbs has a /glowing/ article on Ruby on Rails this month.

What do you guys think?

Can it replace .net, php and java?

And be the Open Source OOP web solution that is not bound to Sun or MS?


No, the replacement will be seaside on squeak, or something similar.


Ruby is actually quite similar to Smalltalk.
May 16 '06 #18
Timo Stamm wrote:
Stephan Eggermont schrieb:
In comp.lang.java. programmer John A. Bailo <ja*****@texeme .com> wrote:
Dr. Dobbs has a /glowing/ article on Ruby on Rails this month.

What do you guys think?

Can it replace .net, php and java?

And be the Open Source OOP web solution that is not bound to Sun or MS?


No, the replacement will be seaside on squeak, or something similar.


Ruby is actually quite similar to Smalltalk.


.... in certain areas. I'm not sure the claim would hold as a general
statement (too low Smalltalk knowledge here).

Kind regards

robert
May 16 '06 #19
In comp.lang.java. programmer Timo Stamm <ti********@arc or.de> wrote:
Stephan Eggermont schrieb:
In comp.lang.java. programmer John A. Bailo <ja*****@texeme .com> wrote:
Dr. Dobbs has a /glowing/ article on Ruby on Rails this month.

What do you guys think?

Can it replace .net, php and java?

And be the Open Source OOP web solution that is not bound to Sun or MS?


No, the replacement will be seaside on squeak, or something similar.


Ruby is actually quite similar to Smalltalk.


It is a lot slower, has a weird syntax, and wee isn't as far
developed as seaside.

Stephan
May 16 '06 #20

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