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Save The Internet: USA bill; weds Apr 26th, 2006

http://www.savetheinternet.com

There is more info and A PETITION at moveon...
Easy to sign and give your two cents (and to your own reps in the process).
http://civic.moveon.org/alerts/savetheinternet.html

There's a nice quick video of what this bill means to you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9jHO...page=1&t=t&f=b

Didn't think it was real? We've witnessed the deregulation of mainstream
media behemoths from 1996 to the present. They can own your town if they
like; in TV and in print. The internet is next.

Spread the word if you are so inclined. This is a good time for last minute
emailings. TIA -

Mark

Get a copy of the COPE bill:
http://static.publicknowledge.org/pd...ecom-print.pdf
Apr 25 '06 #1
40 2415
Copy from misc.news.inter net.discuss (a little more info)...

Sounds hyperbolic, no? It's not. The House Commerce Committee is
likely to vote as early as Wednesday on legislation that would
essentially hand over the keys to the Internet to the giant telcos,
AT&T, Verizon, Time Warner, and Comcast.

It's hard to imagine that the Internet, that vast free-flowing world
of entertainment, enlightenment, education, and interaction could be
fettered, but under this legislation it very well could be. Internet
service provision in the U.S. is covered by telecommunicati ons law,
and has operated under the idea of "network neutrality." In it's early
years, telephone companies provided most Web service, and carried most
of the traffic. Because of the nature of laws regulating phone
service, Web traffic was handled just like phone traffic, each "call"
being equal. That means every page you surf to on the Internet is
served up just like any other, as far as your ISP is concerned. You
can go from Amazon.com to Aunt Harriet's family history blog equally.
Here's what's at stake with this legislation.
The nation's largest telephone and cable companies -- including
AT&T, Verizon, Comcast and Time Warner -- want to be Internet
gatekeepers, deciding which Web sites go fast or slow and which won't
load at all.
They want to tax content providers to guarantee speedy delivery of
their data. They want to discriminate in favor of their own search
engines, Internet phone services, and streaming video -- while slowing
down or blocking their competitors. . . .
On the Internet, consumers are in ultimate control -- deciding
between content, applications and services available anywhere, no
matter who owns the network. There's no middleman. But without net
neutrality, the Internet will look more like cable TV. Network owners
will decide which channels, content and applications are available;
consumers will have to choose from their menu.
The Internet has always been driven by innovation. Web sites and
services succeeded or failed on their own merit. Without net
neutrality, decisions now made collectively by millions of users will
be made in corporate boardrooms. The choice we face now is whether
people can choose the content and services they want, or whether the
broadband barons will choose for them.
That does seem like so much speculation, doesn't it. But this scenario
isn't unprecedented. Consider these examples from the Save the
Internet Coalition:
* In 2004, North Carolina ISP Madison River blocked their DSL
customers from using any rival Web-based phone service.
* In 2005, Canada's telephone giant Telus blocked customers
from visiting a Web site sympathetic to the Telecommunicati ons Workers
Union during a labor dispute.
* Shaw, a big Canadian cable TV company, is charging an extra
$10 a month to subscribers who want to use a competing Internet
telephone service.
* In April, Time Warner's AOL blocked all emails that
mentioned www.dearaol.com -- an advocacy campaign opposing the
company's pay-to-send e-mail scheme.
Still think it's not going to happen? That these companies wouldn't
dare to alienate the entire Internet-using community? Well, think
about how much fun it is to deal with Comcast for your cable, and how
much flexibility they're willing to offer. Also consider this comment
from Edward Whiteacre, CEO of SBC Comm., when he was asked about how
concerned he was about losing ground to Internet upstarts:
How do you think they're going to get to customers? Through a
broadband pipe. Cable companies have them. We have them. Now what they
would like to do is use my pipes free, but I ain't going to let them
do that because we have spent this capital and we have to have a
return on it. So there's going to have to be some mechanism for these
people who use these pipes to pay for the portion they're using. Why
should they be allowed to use my pipes?
The Internet can't be free in that sense, because we and the cable
companies have made an investment and for a Google or Yahoo! (YHOO) or
Vonage or anybody to expect to use these pipes [for] free is nuts!
It's not about the customer, you see, it's about their profits. So if
a giant retailer like Barnes and Noble wanted to screw the
competition, they could pay the right ISPs, the right networks, and
make sure that traffic to a site like Powells.com would run much
slower. Or they could guarantee one Internet search engine that their
engine would run much faster than anothers. If one of the network
providers developed a music service, they could slow down your access
to iTunes. Non-profits could be squeezed off of the Internet if they
couldn't pay for the "fast-lane" of Internet service.
You can find out much more about the legislation, how bloggers are
reacting, and how various organizations are reacting at Save the
Internet. Additionally, Matt Stoller at MyDD has been doing yeoman's
work following this issue. You can see his quick run-down here.
You can also act. Write to Congress and sign the petition.
http://www.savetheinternet.com/
http://mydd.com/story/2006/4/24/123726/983
http://action.freepress.net/campaign/savethenet

Apr 25 '06 #2
On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:40:41 -0400, "Mark G. Meyers"
<mg******@bells outh.net> wrote:
in <#Q************ **@TK2MSFTNGP03 .phx.gbl>
http://www.savetheinternet.com

There is more info and A PETITION at moveon...
Easy to sign and give your two cents (and to your own reps in the process).
http://civic.moveon.org/alerts/savetheinternet.html

There's a nice quick video of what this bill means to you...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9jHO...page=1&t=t&f=b

Didn't think it was real? We've witnessed the deregulation of mainstream
media behemoths from 1996 to the present. They can own your town if they
like; in TV and in print. The internet is next.

Spread the word if you are so inclined. This is a good time for last minute
emailings. TIA -

Mark

Get a copy of the COPE bill:
http://static.publicknowledge.org/pd...ecom-print.pdf


This is very disturbing. If something like this were to actually come
to pass, I'd have no problem with turning off every computer, phone
line, and cable line and just playing my pianos for the next thirty
years.

My wife and I turned off the TV about 10 years ago since there's nothing
of any value to be seen anyway.

---
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties and no guarantees either express or implied.

Stefan Berglund
Apr 25 '06 #3
The way things are going, I wouldnt be surprised if we have to type
"God Bless America" in every post/Email along with a waiver that I give
up my rights to sue if someone reads my email.

---
Ajay

Apr 25 '06 #4
"Mark G. Meyers" <mg******@bells outh.net> wrote in message
news:%2******** ********@TK2MSF TNGP03.phx.gbl. ..
http://www.savetheinternet.com

There is more info and A PETITION at moveon...
Easy to sign and give your two cents (and to your own reps in the
process).
http://civic.moveon.org/alerts/savetheinternet.html


SPAM that has no place here or in any of the groups you've crossposted to.

The only moveon.org petition I'd sign would be one to shut their site down
for good.

--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - Please keep all discussions in the groups..
DLL Hell problems? Try ComGuard - http://www.vbsight.com/ComGuard.htm
Apr 25 '06 #5
Perhaps you should *start* reading what it is about before jumping on
MoveOn's bandwagon.

---
Ajay

Apr 25 '06 #6
"Ajay Kalra" <aj*******@yaho o.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ j33g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
Perhaps you should *start* reading what it is about before jumping on
MoveOn's bandwagon.

---
Ajay


Perhaps you should explain exactly what good it does to post political
topics to a developer newsgroup in the first place. Actually, skip that.
It'll just keep this thread alive.

btw. I'm not on MoveOn's "bandwagon" ... if anyone here is, it's you and the
OP. MoveOn, as well as this thread and its presence in a VB developer group,
should just move on.

EOT (filter set)

--
Ken Halter - MS-MVP-VB - Please keep all discussions in the groups..
DLL Hell problems? Try ComGuard - http://www.vbsight.com/ComGuard.htm
Apr 25 '06 #7
As Jimi Hendrix used to say "You can't believe everything you see and hear,
can you?"

As Dr. (Happy) Harry Cox once said "There's a seeker born every minute!"

As Ken Halter said, "SPAM that has no place here or in any of the groups
you've crossposted to."

Keep the politics to political forums. You only weaken your case by
practicing bad Netiquette like this.

Why is this Bad Netiquette (I could see that one coming a mile away)?
Netiquette is a set of guidelines devloped by common agreeement in
recognition of problems that arise when certain practices occur. In this
case, I'll skip the lecture on cross-posting, and go straight to the issue
of posting politics in a technology newsgroup.

One of the best measures of the virtue or evil of any practice is "what
would happen if everyone did it?" After all, if it's okay for you, it's okay
for everyone. Now, people come here to get help with technology. Imagine if
this newsgroup were "liberally" sprinkled with political opinions and God
knows what else; after all, if politics is okay in a technology forum, what
isn't?

The end result would be that nobody would use this newsgroup to get help,
except for a desparate few. It would take forever to even *find* the help
one needed, buried, as it were, in a mountain of SPAM and Balderdash.

So, before you go saying to me "I have a right, because this is really
*important* - remember that what is important to one person may be trivial
to another. After all, we all die, and then what is important? Certainly not
all that garbage we considered important when we were alive. So, what you're
really doing is rationalizing what you would know (if you cared enough to
think about it) is wrong, and being quite selfish in the process.

Ultimately, what is important is the quality of one's life, and while one
cannot control the actions of others, one can control one's own actions - if
one is willing. And the more people who do so, the easier life will be on
all of us.

Now, be off!

--
HTH,

Kevin Spencer
Microsoft MVP
Professional Numbskull

Hard work is a medication for which
there is no placebo.

"Ajay Kalra" <aj*******@yaho o.com> wrote in message
news:11******** *************@i 39g2000cwa.goog legroups.com...
The way things are going, I wouldnt be surprised if we have to type
"God Bless America" in every post/Email along with a waiver that I give
up my rights to sue if someone reads my email.

---
Ajay

Apr 25 '06 #8
Perhaps you should improve your reading comprehension skills before blurting
out something untrue in kneejerk, MoveOn style.

I'm pretty sure that Ken is nowhere near being on MoveOn's bandwagon.

Bob Lehmann

"Ajay Kalra" <aj*******@yaho o.com> wrote in message
news:11******** **************@ j33g2000cwa.goo glegroups.com.. .
Perhaps you should *start* reading what it is about before jumping on
MoveOn's bandwagon.

---
Ajay

Apr 26 '06 #9
> I'm pretty sure that Ken is nowhere near being on MoveOn's bandwagon.

What are you, his spokesperson?

If you think its spam it will help if you *dont* respond.

--
Ajay Kalra [MVP - VC++]
aj*******@yahoo .com

Apr 26 '06 #10

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