Intro. JavaScript

[Charlene Russ]

Learn on-line at your own convenience in a user-centered format with plenty
of interaction and personal attention.

This is a basic level coursed designed to introduce the novice to
intermediate computer user to the JavaScript language, and focuses on
creating user interactivity on personal websites. This Object Oriented
Language is known for creating a high level of interactivity with minimal
coding, and is fairly simple to learn.

We will begin with an overview of Javascript, describe its applications and
compare it to other web programming languages. Flash integration with
Javascript will also be addressed throughout the course. Topics we will be
covering include, Incorporating Javascript into an HTML page, Simple
Scripting, Time and Date,Data Variables,Writing Output, User Prompts,
Working with images, Creative Scripting, Data Types, and Navigation with
Javascript.

Objective:
To provide the student with an enjoyable learning experience complete with
personalized instruction.

Course Requirements:

Internet and Email Access
Text Editor Such as Notepad or Textpad
Ability to send attachments,
or webspace to post assignments
Netscape 6 or later
Internet Explorer 5.5 or later

Preferred but not mandatory

HTML Editor ( *Dreamweaver MX has some nice features)
Flash 5 or Flash MX
Printer Access (printing out the lessons can be very helpful)

Introduction to JavaScript, currently only $20 per six-week session!

To enroll visit us on-line at:

The Eclectic Academy
http://www.eclecticacademy.com
'The Better Choice in On-Line Learning'

[Douglas Crockford]

> Learn on-line at your own convenience in a user-centered format with plenty

of interaction and personal attention.

What are your positions on controversial issues, such as the eval function,
the with statement, and closures?

[Michael Winter]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:37:51 -0500, Charlene Russ <lo******@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

<snip>

Course Requirements:

Internet and Email Access
That's somewhat obvious, isn't it? How do you expect people to enrol on
your website, or even read this spam?
Text Editor Such as Notepad or Textpad
Ability to send attachments,
or webspace to post assignments
Netscape 6 or later
Internet Explorer 5.5 or later
You do realise that there are many other browsers around, don't you? Based
simply on that limitation, you obviously provide a poor service.

<snip>
Introduction to JavaScript, currently only $20 per six-week session!
Or get an introduction for free by teaching yourself with nothing but
JavaScript reference documents, a little self-determination, and getting
helpful advice in this newsgroup.
To enroll visit us on-line at:

The Eclectic Academy
http://www.eclecticacademy.com
'The Better Choice in On-Line Learning'

Please stop spamming this group. It is for help with the JavaScript
language, not advertisments.

Mike

By the way, love the web site. Nice to see another 'teaching' site that
can't even manage to write valid HTML.

--
Michael Winter
M.******@blueyonder.co.invalid (replace ".invalid" with ".uk" to reply)

[Charlene Russ]

You have a serious problem, sir. Of COURSE I teach other browsers, as I
have been doing each term to large numbers of students. So far they all
seem quite happy, sending me kudos. I would request however that you not
ever enroll in one of my courses.

I think there's most definitely another issue here regarding your objection
entirely which has nothing to do with JavaScript.

Thank you.

"Michael Winter" <M.******@blueyonder.co.invalid> wrote in message
news:op**************@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:37:51 -0500, Charlene Russ <lo******@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

<snip>

Course Requirements:

Internet and Email Access

That's somewhat obvious, isn't it? How do you expect people to enrol on
your website, or even read this spam?

Text Editor Such as Notepad or Textpad
Ability to send attachments,
or webspace to post assignments
Netscape 6 or later
Internet Explorer 5.5 or later

You do realise that there are many other browsers around, don't you? Based
simply on that limitation, you obviously provide a poor service.

<snip>

Introduction to JavaScript, currently only $20 per six-week session!

Or get an introduction for free by teaching yourself with nothing but
JavaScript reference documents, a little self-determination, and getting
helpful advice in this newsgroup.

To enroll visit us on-line at:

The Eclectic Academy
http://www.eclecticacademy.com
'The Better Choice in On-Line Learning'

Please stop spamming this group. It is for help with the JavaScript
language, not advertisments.

Mike

By the way, love the web site. Nice to see another 'teaching' site that
can't even manage to write valid HTML.

--
Michael Winter
M.******@blueyonder.co.invalid (replace ".invalid" with ".uk" to reply)

[Christopher Jeris]

"Charlene Russ" <lo******@bellsouth.net> writes:
[in reply to Michael Winter]

I think there's most definitely another issue here regarding your
objection entirely which has nothing to do with JavaScript.

It's reasonable to suppose that the quality of a web services
education shop's instruction is reflected in the quality of the
shop's own website. From

(1) your organization's obvious failure to correctly understand and
implement the relevant standards in your site,

(2) the fact that you are so rude as to post your commercial
messages repeatedly in a short span of time, and

(3) the poor English and apparent willingness to perpetuate common
fallacies (such as the two-browser world) shown in your post,

surely it's not surprising that many readers of this group conclude
that your messages are annoying and your organization incompetent?
Personal malice is a totally unnecessary hypothesis.

Chris Jeris cj****@oinvzer.net

[Chris Smith]

Charlene Russ wrote:

I think there's most definitely another issue here regarding your objection
entirely which has nothing to do with JavaScript.

Perhaps it's that you're spamming newsgroups. People tend to react
badly to that sort of thing, particularly people who donate their time
here to answer questions from new users.

Just a guess...

--
www.designacourse.com
The Easiest Way to Train Anyone... Anywhere.

Chris Smith - Lead Software Developer/Technical Trainer
MindIQ Corporation

[kaeli]

In article <MP************************@news.pop4.net>, cd*****@twu.net
enlightened us with...

Charlene Russ wrote:

I think there's most definitely another issue here regarding your objection
entirely which has nothing to do with JavaScript.

Perhaps it's that you're spamming newsgroups. People tend to react
badly to that sort of thing, particularly people who donate their time
here to answer questions from new users.

Just a guess...

Note that anyone who points out her mistakes is not welcome as a
student.
*ROFLMAO*
--
--
~kaeli~
Support your local medical examiner: die strangely!
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/wildAtHeart
http://www.ipwebdesign.net/kaelisSpace

[Michael Winter]

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:36:19 -0500, Charlene Russ <lo******@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

[snipped quotation of my reply]

You have a serious problem, sir. Of COURSE I teach other browsers, as I
have been doing each term to large numbers of students.
Why then must your students have either Internet Explorer 5.5+ or Netscape
6+? Surely all you need to say is: "An up-to-date version of your current
browser."
So far they all
seem quite happy, sending me kudos. I would request however that you not
ever enroll in one of my courses.
I never had such an intent, nor do I have the need.
I think there's most definitely another issue here regarding your
objection entirely which has nothing to do with JavaScript.

I only expressed one personal opinion in my previous post: what you
provide for money can be found in abundance for free, and in my opinion,
is therefore a rip-off.

My main objection is that you have posted a commercial advertisment to
this newsgroup. My second is that you did it twice in quick succession;
once is bad enough. The former is addressed clearly in the FAQ for this
group:

"clj [comp.lang.javascript] is a technical group, postings of job
adverts and commercial adverts are not welcome - job postings should go to
an appropriate regional jobs group. Announcements of products of
particular relevance to javascript are welcome, but not more often than
once per major release - then post a short link to your products
webpage." comp.lang.javascript FAQ, Section 2.3, Para. 9

I would have thought that any member of a respectable, professional
establishment, should want to respect any community that they intend to
interact with, particularly if that community is part of their target
market and a potential source of revenue.

Another failure on your part is that you top-posted in response to both
my, and Kaeli's, responses. You also failed to trim quoted material.
Please learn how to post on Usenet, and in this group, before doing so in
future.

Mike

An explanation of top-posting -
http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/top-post.html
FAQ for comp.lang.javascript - http://jibbering.com/faq/

--
Michael Winter
M.******@blueyonder.co.invalid (replace ".invalid" with ".uk" to reply)

[Fabian]

kaeli hu kiteb:

Note that anyone who points out her mistakes is not welcome as a
student.
*ROFLMAO*

This reminds me of a driving school I went to once. They went on for
ages about how difficult it was to learn to drive, as if to insil in me
their importance. I asked them if they could teach me, even though it is
so difficult. For a school, there is only one correct answer to that
question. They got it wrong.

The thing that worries me most about this teaching service is the way
she is actively discouraging people from enrolling.
--
--
Fabian
Visit my website often and for long periods!
http://www.lajzar.co.uk

[Richard Cornford]

"Douglas Crockford" <no****@covad.net> wrote in message
news:c1**************************@msgid.meganewsse rvers.com...

Learn on-line at your own convenience in a user-centered format
with plenty of interaction and personal attention.

What are your positions on controversial issues, such as the
eval function, the with statement, and closures?

Given that comments on the last spam advertising this course elicited a
response including:-

<quote
cite="http://groups.google.com/groups?
selm=7v7Gb.13998%24Ol1.6444%40bignews3.bellsouth.n et"
author="Charlene Russ"
subject="Introduction to JavaScript"
date="2003/12/24">

Also, yes of course I teach both browsers, I can't imagine offering
an interactive JavaScript course without doing so.

</quote>

- it is probably unrealistic to expect comments on anything beyond the
mundane.

Richard.

[Douglas Crockford]

> >>Learn on-line at your own convenience in a user-centered format

with plenty of interaction and personal attention.

What are your positions on controversial topics, such as the
eval function, the with statement, and closures?

Given that comments on the last spam advertising this course elicited a
response including:- Also, yes of course I teach both browsers, I can't imagine offering
an interactive JavaScript course without doing so.

- it is probably unrealistic to expect comments on anything beyond the
mundane.

I think there is negative value in a course that recommends the use of eval
and with , particularly a beginner's course. Bad habits can be expensive to
unlearn. I'd like to hope that this course has some positive value.

[Richard Cornford]

"Douglas Crockford" <no****@covad.net> wrote in message
news:1f**************************@msgid.meganewsse rvers.com...

Learn on-line at your own convenience in a user-centered
format with plenty of interaction and personal attention.What are your positions on controversial topics, such as the
eval function, the with statement, and closures?

Given that comments on the last spam advertising this course
elicited a response including:-

|>>Also, yes of course I teach both browsers, I can't imagine
|>>offering an interactive JavaScript course without doing so.

- it is probably unrealistic to expect comments on anything
beyond the mundane.

I think there is negative value in a course that recommends the
use of eval and with , particularly a beginner's course.

Inappropriate eval use is a long way form being the only bad habit that
might be picked up from such a course (and many JavaScript books). So it
would seem unwise to pay for a course in browser scripting/JavaScript
without some independent verification (preferably from someone qualified
to judge) that the teaching offered was of a suitable standard.
Unfortunately the eclecticacademy web site provides no more information
about the course than has been posted here, which includes nothing
substantial on which the course can be judged (Beyond the negative
impression gained from the clueless JavaScript/HTML of the
eclecticacademy web site itself).
Bad habits can be expensive to unlearn.
And may have expensive consequences prior to being unlearnt.
I'd like to hope that this course has some positive value.

There is always hope. ;-)

Richard.

[George Hester]

Charlene you are in the business of spamming. Spamming - Unsolicited Commercial E-mail Advertisements(newsposts). Is there something in that you do not understand or is it that you don't care? You are going to get rich come hell or high water anyway right.

I have 0% confidence that a spammer can do any good in anything. Other then stealing their funky methods for camouflaging their spam. So please do a better job at that, OK? When you have that down pat, I'll enroll.

--
George Hester
__________________________________
"Charlene Russ" <lo******@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:vi*******************@bignews4.bellsouth.net. ..

You have a serious problem, sir. Of COURSE I teach other browsers, as I
have been doing each term to large numbers of students. So far they all
seem quite happy, sending me kudos. I would request however that you not
ever enroll in one of my courses.

I think there's most definitely another issue here regarding your objection
entirely which has nothing to do with JavaScript.

Thank you.

"Michael Winter" <M.******@blueyonder.co.invalid> wrote in message
news:op**************@news-text.blueyonder.co.uk...

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 12:37:51 -0500, Charlene Russ <lo******@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

<snip>

Course Requirements:

Internet and Email Access

That's somewhat obvious, isn't it? How do you expect people to enrol on
your website, or even read this spam?

Text Editor Such as Notepad or Textpad
Ability to send attachments,
or webspace to post assignments
Netscape 6 or later
Internet Explorer 5.5 or later

You do realise that there are many other browsers around, don't you? Based
simply on that limitation, you obviously provide a poor service.

<snip>

Introduction to JavaScript, currently only $20 per six-week session!

Or get an introduction for free by teaching yourself with nothing but
JavaScript reference documents, a little self-determination, and getting
helpful advice in this newsgroup.

To enroll visit us on-line at:

The Eclectic Academy
http://www.eclecticacademy.com
'The Better Choice in On-Line Learning'

Please stop spamming this group. It is for help with the JavaScript
language, not advertisments.

Mike

By the way, love the web site. Nice to see another 'teaching' site that
can't even manage to write valid HTML.

--
Michael Winter
M.******@blueyonder.co.invalid (replace ".invalid" with ".uk" to reply)

[rf]

"Fabian" <la****@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:bt************@ID-174912.news.uni-berlin.de...

kaeli hu kiteb:

Note that anyone who points out her mistakes is not welcome as a
student.
*ROFLMAO*

<snip traffic hazard>
The thing that worries me most about this teaching service is the way
she is actively discouraging people from enrolling.

More likely fearfull that somebody will pull her up on the mistakes in her
course :-)

Cheers
Richard.

[Dr John Stockton]

JRS: In article <1f**************************@msgid.meganewsserver s.com

, seen in news:comp.lang.javascript, Douglas Crockford <no****@covad.net> posted at Mon, 12 Jan 2004 14:47:09 :-
I think there is negative value in a course that recommends the use of eval
and with , particularly a beginner's course. Bad habits can be expensive to
unlearn. I'd like to hope that this course has some positive value.

It is wrong to say that eval should never be used.

Students will see it being used inappropriately; if eval has not been
mentioned, some will do likewise.

A course should, therefore, recommend that eval should be used only in
stated circumstances, much as in FAQ 4.40.

--
© John Stockton, Surrey, UK. ?@merlyn.demon.co.uk Turnpike v4.00 IE 4 ©
<URL:http://jibbering.com/faq/> Jim Ley's FAQ for news:comp.lang.javascript
<URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/js-index.htm> jscr maths, dates, sources.
<URL:http://www.merlyn.demon.co.uk/> TP/BP/Delphi/jscr/&c, FAQ items, links.

[Alan P]

Lol

Mozilla (my web browser) rapes that site

"Christopher Jeris" <cj****@oinvzer.net> wrote in message
news:us***********@oinvzer.net...

"Charlene Russ" <lo******@bellsouth.net> writes:
[in reply to Michael Winter]

I think there's most definitely another issue here regarding your
objection entirely which has nothing to do with JavaScript.

It's reasonable to suppose that the quality of a web services
education shop's instruction is reflected in the quality of the
shop's own website. From

(1) your organization's obvious failure to correctly understand and
implement the relevant standards in your site,

(2) the fact that you are so rude as to post your commercial
messages repeatedly in a short span of time, and

(3) the poor English and apparent willingness to perpetuate common
fallacies (such as the two-browser world) shown in your post,

surely it's not surprising that many readers of this group conclude
that your messages are annoying and your organization incompetent?
Personal malice is a totally unnecessary hypothesis.

Chris Jeris cj****@oinvzer.net