Such a command as 'onbeforeload'?

[CJS]

Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest of the
page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy page
loads behind it.

I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but it
doesn't pop up at all then.

Any ideas?

Thanks.

[nolo contendere]

On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:

Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest of the
page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy page
loads behind it.

I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but it
doesn't pop up at all then.

I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.

[nolo contendere]

On Nov 14, 2:48 pm, nolo contendere <[e-mail]:

On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:

Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest of the
page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy page
loads behind it.

I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but it
doesn't pop up at all then.

I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.

This is untested, but may serve your needs.

http://www.codingforums.com/showthre...threadid=15203

[nolo contendere]

On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:

Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest of the
page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy page
loads behind it.

I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but it
doesn't pop up at all then.

Any ideas?

You could start off by showing a loader of some sort (image, txt,
whatever) in a div (style="display: block;"), with your content in a
div (style="display: none;"), and onload, call a function that sets
the loader div to display: none and the content div to display: block.

[CJS]

"nolo contendere" <si********@fmr.comwrote in message
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On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:

>Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest of
the
page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy page
loads behind it.

I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but it
doesn't pop up at all then.

I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.

Simply what I want to accomplish is the popup to come up *first* befoer any
other page elements load. It is complicated as to why, and other factors,
but that is what needs to happen.

The onload tag seems to open happen after the page has finished loading
completely, which is odd.

[CJS]

"nolo contendere" <si********@fmr.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@d55g2000hsg.googlegro ups.com...

On Nov 14, 2:48 pm, nolo contendere <[e-mail]:

>On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:

Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest of
the
page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy page
loads behind it.

I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but
it
doesn't pop up at all then.

I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.

This is untested, but may serve your needs.

http://www.codingforums.com/showthre...threadid=15203

Thanks but that is not related to my request above to have a JS popup happen
as the first event before any other loading takes place.

[CJS]

"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.comwrote in message
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CJS said the following on 11/15/2007 4:44 AM:

[follow-up set to comp.lang.javascript]

>"nolo contendere" <si********@fmr.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...

>>On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:
Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest of
the
page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy page
loads behind it.

I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but
it
doesn't pop up at all then.
I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.

Simply what I want to accomplish is the popup to come up *first* befoer
any other page elements load. It is complicated as to why, and other
factors, but that is what needs to happen.

The onload tag seems to open happen after the page has finished loading
completely, which is odd.

Want something to happen during load? Don't use onload. It fires after the
element has completely loaded. Why you would find it odd that an event
that is defined to trigger after the element is completely loaded only
fires after the element is completely loaded is, well, odd to say the
least.

Yes... thanks for that comment. I am not the wonderful expert you are very
vocally demonstrating you must be, and to the uninitiated, "onload" sounds
like it happens 'on loading', rather than 'afterload' which is what it
actually does. Anyhow let's not get pedantic, it seemed odd to me so live
with it.

If anyone is able to suggest a way to trigger my JS popup event before the
page has finished loading, rather than nitpicking my use of words, that
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to anyone able to do so.

[Randy Webb]

CJS said the following on 11/15/2007 6:41 AM:

"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.comwrote in message
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>CJS said the following on 11/15/2007 4:44 AM:

[follow-up set to comp.lang.javascript]

>>"nolo contendere" <si********@fmr.comwrote in message
news:11*********************@50g2000hsm.googlegr oups.com...
On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:
Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest of
the
page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy page
loads behind it.
>
I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but
it
doesn't pop up at all then.
I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.
Simply what I want to accomplish is the popup to come up *first* befoer
any other page elements load. It is complicated as to why, and other
factors, but that is what needs to happen.

The onload tag seems to open happen after the page has finished loading
completely, which is odd.

Want something to happen during load? Don't use onload. It fires after the
element has completely loaded. Why you would find it odd that an event
that is defined to trigger after the element is completely loaded only
fires after the element is completely loaded is, well, odd to say the
least.

Yes... thanks for that comment. I am not the wonderful expert you are very
vocally demonstrating you must be, and to the uninitiated, "onload" sounds
like it happens 'on loading', rather than 'afterload' which is what it
actually does. Anyhow let's not get pedantic, it seemed odd to me so live
with it.

I was not being pedantic, nor was I trying to talk down to you. If you
took it that way, then my apologies because it was not meant that way.

If anyone is able to suggest a way to trigger my JS popup event before the
page has finished loading, rather than nitpicking my use of words, that
would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to anyone able to do so.

When do you want it to attempt to popup? If you want it to open at a
particular loading point of the page, say 25%, then you can't. The
closest you could come would be to try to guess at how long it would
take to get to that point and then use a setTimeout call to schedule it
to be opened.

--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind
comp.lang.javascript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/index.html
Javascript Best Practices - http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/

[CJS]

"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.comwrote in message
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CJS said the following on 11/15/2007 6:41 AM:

>"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.comwrote in message
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>>CJS said the following on 11/15/2007 4:44 AM:

[follow-up set to comp.lang.javascript]

"nolo contendere" <si********@fmr.comwrote in message
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On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:
>Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest
>of the
>page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy
>page
>loads behind it.
>>
>I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but
>it
>doesn't pop up at all then.
I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.
Simply what I want to accomplish is the popup to come up *first* befoer
any other page elements load. It is complicated as to why, and other
factors, but that is what needs to happen.

The onload tag seems to open happen after the page has finished loading
completely, which is odd.
Want something to happen during load? Don't use onload. It fires after
the element has completely loaded. Why you would find it odd that an
event that is defined to trigger after the element is completely loaded
only fires after the element is completely loaded is, well, odd to say
the least.

Yes... thanks for that comment. I am not the wonderful expert you are
very vocally demonstrating you must be, and to the uninitiated, "onload"
sounds like it happens 'on loading', rather than 'afterload' which is
what it actually does. Anyhow let's not get pedantic, it seemed odd to
me so live with it.

I was not being pedantic, nor was I trying to talk down to you. If you
took it that way, then my apologies because it was not meant that way.

Nice of you to say, thanks.

>If anyone is able to suggest a way to trigger my JS popup event before
the page has finished loading, rather than nitpicking my use of words,
that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to anyone able to do so.

When do you want it to attempt to popup? If you want it to open at a
particular loading point of the page, say 25%, then you can't. The closest
you could come would be to try to guess at how long it would take to get
to that point and then use a setTimeout call to schedule it to be opened.

Sounds promising. Simply, I want it to load after let's say 1 second. Can
you please tell me what code to use in place of these?:

<head>
<!-- Popup Help -->
<script language="JavaScript">
function popUp(URL) {
day = new Date();
id = day.getTime();
eval("page" + id + " = window.open(URL, '" + id + "',
'toolbar=0,scrollbars=0,location=0,statusbar=0,men ubar=0,resizable=1,width=285,height=367');");
if (window.focus) {newwindow.focus()}
}
// End -->
</script>
</head>
<body onload="javascript:popUp('../popuphelp.htm')">
Thanks again.

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Randy
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Javascript Best Practices -
http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/

[Randy Webb]

CJS said the following on 11/15/2007 7:11 AM:

"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.comwrote in message
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>CJS said the following on 11/15/2007 6:41 AM:

>>"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.comwrote in message
news:V4*********************@giganews.com...
CJS said the following on 11/15/2007 4:44 AM:

[follow-up set to comp.lang.javascript]

"nolo contendere" <si********@fmr.comwrote in message
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>On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:
>>Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest
>>of the
>>page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy
>>page
>>loads behind it.
>>>
>>I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but
>>it
>>doesn't pop up at all then.
>I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
>Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.
Simply what I want to accomplish is the popup to come up *first* befoer
any other page elements load. It is complicated as to why, and other
factors, but that is what needs to happen.
>
The onload tag seems to open happen after the page has finished loading
completely, which is odd.
Want something to happen during load? Don't use onload. It fires after
the element has completely loaded. Why you would find it odd that an
event that is defined to trigger after the element is completely loaded
only fires after the element is completely loaded is, well, odd to say
the least.
Yes... thanks for that comment. I am not the wonderful expert you are
very vocally demonstrating you must be, and to the uninitiated, "onload"
sounds like it happens 'on loading', rather than 'afterload' which is
what it actually does. Anyhow let's not get pedantic, it seemed odd to
me so live with it.

I was not being pedantic, nor was I trying to talk down to you. If you
took it that way, then my apologies because it was not meant that way.

Nice of you to say, thanks.

>>If anyone is able to suggest a way to trigger my JS popup event before
the page has finished loading, rather than nitpicking my use of words,
that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to anyone able to do so.

When do you want it to attempt to popup? If you want it to open at a
particular loading point of the page, say 25%, then you can't. The closest
you could come would be to try to guess at how long it would take to get
to that point and then use a setTimeout call to schedule it to be opened.

Sounds promising. Simply, I want it to load after let's say 1 second. Can
you please tell me what code to use in place of these?:

<head>
<!-- Popup Help -->
<script language="JavaScript">
function popUp(URL) {
day = new Date();
id = day.getTime();
eval("page" + id + " = window.open(URL, '" + id + "',
'toolbar=0,scrollbars=0,location=0,statusbar=0,men ubar=0,resizable=1,width=285,height=367');");

window["page" + id] = window.open(URL,......);

And ditch the eval. All variables are properties of the window object.

if (window.focus) {newwindow.focus()}
}
// End -->

window.setTimeout(doIt,1000);

function doIt(){
popUp('../popuphelp.htm')
}

Only reason I used another function is because I don't remember and
don't feel like looking up how it is done when you use a parameter with
a function call in setTimeout

--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind
comp.lang.javascript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/index.html
Javascript Best Practices - http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/

[nolo contendere]

On Nov 15, 5:44 am, "CJS" <[e-mail]:

"nolo contendere" <[e-mail] in message

news:11*********************@50g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...

On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:

Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest of
the
page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy page
loads behind it.

I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but it
doesn't pop up at all then.

I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.

Simply what I want to accomplish is the popup to come up *first* befoer any
other page elements load. It is complicated as to why, and other factors,
but that is what needs to happen.

The onload tag seems to open happen after the page has finished loading
completely, which is odd.

Hmm, a friend of mine uses the technique I mentioned and it works
fine. Have you tried the <divswapping thing? It is precisely
*because* the onload happens *after* the page has loaded that you can
use that as the event to trigger the <divdisplay swap.

And while the page is in the process of loading, the onload event has
not fired yet, but the loader div is being displayed. I realize that
this doesn't give you the popup you requested, but it serves as a
solution to your ultimate goal of providing the user with feedback
that a heavy page is loading.

HTH

[nolo contendere]

On Nov 15, 5:44 am, "CJS" <[e-mail]:

"nolo contendere" <[e-mail] in message

news:11*********************@50g2000hsm.googlegrou ps.com...

On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:

Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest of
the
page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy page
loads behind it.

I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but it
doesn't pop up at all then.

I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.

Simply what I want to accomplish is the popup to come up *first* befoer any
other page elements load. It is complicated as to why, and other factors,
but that is what needs to happen.

The onload tag seems to open happen after the page has finished loading
completely, which is odd.

Try something like this:

<html>
<head>
<script type="text/javascript" src="js/prototype.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript">
function kill_loader() {
$('loader').style.display = 'none';
$('contents').style.display = 'block';
}
</script>
</head>
<body onload="kill_loader();">
<div id=loader style="display: block; overflow: auto; valign: middle;
text-align: center; background-color: #fff; width: 100%; height:
100%;">
<img src="images/spinner.gif" />
</div>
<div id=contents style="display: none;">hi there</div>
</body>
</html>

[Jonathan N. Little]

nolo contendere wrote:

On Nov 15, 5:44 am, "CJS" <[e-mail]:

>"nolo contendere" <[e-mail] in message

news:11*********************@50g2000hsm.googlegro ups.com...

>>On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:
Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the rest of
the
page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy page
loads behind it.
I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag, but it
doesn't pop up at all then.
I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.

Simply what I want to accomplish is the popup to come up *first* befoer any
other page elements load. It is complicated as to why, and other factors,
but that is what needs to happen.

The onload tag seems to open happen after the page has finished loading
completely, which is odd.

Try something like this:

<snip code>

If the initial page takes so long to load that you need an progress
indicator, then maybe you need to reevaluate the content of your page
and break it up into more manageable size bits...

--
Take care,

Jonathan
-------------------
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http://www.LittleWorksStudio.com

[CJS]

"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.comwrote in message
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CJS said the following on 11/15/2007 7:11 AM:

>"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.comwrote in message
news:0I*********************@giganews.com...

>>CJS said the following on 11/15/2007 6:41 AM:
"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.comwrote in message
news:V4*********************@giganews.com...
CJS said the following on 11/15/2007 4:44 AM:
>
[follow-up set to comp.lang.javascript]
>
>"nolo contendere" <si********@fmr.comwrote in message
>news:11*********************@50g2000hsm.googl egroups.com...
>>On Nov 14, 2:33 pm, "CJS" <[e-mail]:
>>>Hi, I have a javascript popup which I want to happen BEFORE the
>>>rest of the
>>>page loads. It's something for people to read while quite a heavy
>>>page
>>>loads behind it.
>>>>
>>>I tried using 'onbeforeload' instead of 'onload' in the Body tag,
>>>but it
>>>doesn't pop up at all then.
>>I didn't see such an event. But what are you trying to accomplish?
>>Perhaps there is a way to do what you require via another path.
>Simply what I want to accomplish is the popup to come up *first*
>befoer any other page elements load. It is complicated as to why,
>and other factors, but that is what needs to happen.
>>
>The onload tag seems to open happen after the page has finished
>loading completely, which is odd.
Want something to happen during load? Don't use onload. It fires after
the element has completely loaded. Why you would find it odd that an
event that is defined to trigger after the element is completely
loaded only fires after the element is completely loaded is, well, odd
to say the least.
Yes... thanks for that comment. I am not the wonderful expert you are
very vocally demonstrating you must be, and to the uninitiated,
"onload" sounds like it happens 'on loading', rather than 'afterload'
which is what it actually does. Anyhow let's not get pedantic, it
seemed odd to me so live with it.
I was not being pedantic, nor was I trying to talk down to you. If you
took it that way, then my apologies because it was not meant that way.

Nice of you to say, thanks.

>>>If anyone is able to suggest a way to trigger my JS popup event before
the page has finished loading, rather than nitpicking my use of words,
that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks to anyone able to do so.
When do you want it to attempt to popup? If you want it to open at a
particular loading point of the page, say 25%, then you can't. The
closest you could come would be to try to guess at how long it would
take to get to that point and then use a setTimeout call to schedule it
to be opened.

Sounds promising. Simply, I want it to load after let's say 1 second.
Can you please tell me what code to use in place of these?:

<head>
<!-- Popup Help -->
<script language="JavaScript">
function popUp(URL) {
day = new Date();
id = day.getTime();
eval("page" + id + " = window.open(URL, '" + id + "',
'toolbar=0,scrollbars=0,location=0,statusbar=0,me nubar=0,resizable=1,width=285,height=367');");

window["page" + id] = window.open(URL,......);

And ditch the eval. All variables are properties of the window object.

>if (window.focus) {newwindow.focus()}
}
// End -->

window.setTimeout(doIt,1000);

function doIt(){
popUp('../popuphelp.htm')
}

Only reason I used another function is because I don't remember and don't
feel like looking up how it is done when you use a parameter with a
function call in setTimeout

Thanks.

--
Randy
Chance Favors The Prepared Mind
comp.lang.javascript FAQ - http://jibbering.com/faq/index.html
Javascript Best Practices -
http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com/bestpractices/

[André Gillibert]

nolo contendere wrote:

And while the page is in the process of loading, the onload event has
not fired yet, but the loader div is being displayed. I realize that
this doesn't give you the popup you requested, but it serves as a
solution to your ultimate goal of providing the user with feedback
that a heavy page is loading.

No, it's rather REMOVING feedback during page loading.

The only thing that the user knows is: Something is loading or frozen due
to a buggy JavaScript (very common) or JavaScript disabled or a connection
problem (e.g. an element of the page for which the connection has been
closed by the server but the user agent didn't notice that).

With progressive rendering, you see exactly what's loading as it's
displayed.

I also noticed that some sites containing this awful hack, the loading of
the entire page becomes much slower (e.g. 14 or 15 seconds instead of 2 or
3) because all the tiny useless icons advertisements and 1x1 images (e.g.
to do some cr*ppy statistics) at the bottom of a site require much time to
be loaded.

If you hate progressive rendering, please, don't harm MY computer, simply
disable progressive rendering in YOUR browser.
e.g. with Opera go to Tools->Preferences->Advanced->Browsing->Loading and
check "Redraw when loaded".

As a general solution, write a little HTTP proxy application that disable
progressive rendering. But, please, use it for personal use.

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