Closing browser versus refreshing

[ds_lewis]

Is there a way to tell when the user closes the browser that doesn't
also happen when a page is merely being refreshed?

Thanks,

Targus

[Randy Webb]

ds******@hotmail.com said the following on 5/8/2006 2:15 PM:

Is there a way to tell when the user closes the browser that doesn't
also happen when a page is merely being refreshed?

No. What are you *really* trying to accomplish?

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[Warren Sarle]

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Is there a way to tell when the user closes the browser that doesn't
also happen when a page is merely being refreshed?

In the first place, you can't tell when the user closes the browser on
Opera and, reportedly, Safari. The Opera web site claims this is a
feature rather than a bug, although some of us disagree.

[Randy Webb]

Warren Sarle said the following on 5/8/2006 9:07 PM:

<ds******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Is there a way to tell when the user closes the browser that doesn't
also happen when a page is merely being refreshed?
In the first place, you can't tell when the user closes the browser on
Opera and, reportedly, Safari.

Nor in IE, Firefox, Mozilla or any other browser.
The Opera web site claims this is a feature rather than a bug,
although some of us disagree.

Who is "us" that you refer to? Not being able to tell that the browser
closed isn't a bug. Unless there is some reason to differentiate between
navigating away and closing the browser, there is no need to even know that.

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[RobG]

Warren Sarle wrote:

<ds******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Is there a way to tell when the user closes the browser that doesn't
also happen when a page is merely being refreshed?

In the first place, you can't tell when the user closes the browser on
Opera and, reportedly, Safari. The Opera web site claims this is a
feature rather than a bug, although some of us disagree.

And in the second place, bugs result from programming errors. A feature
that works as designed isn't a bug - if it works contrary to expectation
or an individuals' particular requirements, it might be called an
annoyance but it is not a bug. :-)
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[Warren Sarle]

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Warren Sarle said the following on 5/8/2006 9:07 PM:

<ds******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Is there a way to tell when the user closes the browser that doesn't
also happen when a page is merely being refreshed?

In the first place, you can't tell when the user closes the browser on
Opera and, reportedly, Safari.

Nor in IE, Firefox, Mozilla or any other browser.

IE and Firefox trigger an unload event when the user closes the browser.
Opera does not trigger any event when the user closes the browser.

[Randy Webb]

Warren Sarle said the following on 5/9/2006 12:04 AM:

"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.com> wrote in message
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Warren Sarle said the following on 5/8/2006 9:07 PM:

<ds******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Is there a way to tell when the user closes the browser that doesn't
also happen when a page is merely being refreshed?
In the first place, you can't tell when the user closes the browser on
Opera and, reportedly, Safari.

Nor in IE, Firefox, Mozilla or any other browser.

IE and Firefox trigger an unload event when the user closes the browser.
Opera does not trigger any event when the user closes the browser.

IE and Firefox also trigger that same exact unload event when you do any
of the following:

Click a Favorites to navigate away
Type a URL into the Address Bar and click Go
Click the Home button

And that is just three, there are more.

You have *no way* of knowing whether I closed the browser or did one of
the three above so it is *impossible* to tell if I "closed the browser"
or not, only that the page itself was unloaded. And that is true in
*any* browser.

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Randy
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[Warren Sarle]

In article <bv******************************@comcast.com>,
Randy Webb <Hi************@aol.com> writes:

Warren Sarle said the following on 5/9/2006 12:04 AM:

"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.com> wrote in message
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Warren Sarle said the following on 5/8/2006 9:07 PM:
<ds******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Is there a way to tell when the user closes the browser that doesn't
> also happen when a page is merely being refreshed?
In the first place, you can't tell when the user closes the browser on
Opera and, reportedly, Safari.
Nor in IE, Firefox, Mozilla or any other browser.

IE and Firefox trigger an unload event when the user closes the browser.
Opera does not trigger any event when the user closes the browser.

IE and Firefox also trigger that same exact unload event when you do any
of the following:

Click a Favorites to navigate away
Type a URL into the Address Bar and click Go
Click the Home button

And that is just three, there are more.

You have *no way* of knowing whether I closed the browser or did one of
the three above so it is *impossible* to tell if I "closed the browser"
or not, only that the page itself was unloaded. And that is true in
*any* browser.

No, you can't tell if the page was unloaded in Opera or Safari.

The original poster apparently wanted to know if there is an event
that:
1) fires when the browser is closed, and
2) does not fire when the page is refreshed.

My point was that there is no event that satisfies (1) on all
browsers, much less both (1) and (2).

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[Randy Webb]

Warren Sarle said the following on 5/9/2006 2:10 PM:

In article <bv******************************@comcast.com>,
Randy Webb <Hi************@aol.com> writes:

Warren Sarle said the following on 5/9/2006 12:04 AM:

"Randy Webb" <Hi************@aol.com> wrote in message
news:U8********************@comcast.com...
Warren Sarle said the following on 5/8/2006 9:07 PM:
> <ds******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:11**********************@j33g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> Is there a way to tell when the user closes the browser that doesn't
>> also happen when a page is merely being refreshed?
> In the first place, you can't tell when the user closes the browser on
> Opera and, reportedly, Safari.
Nor in IE, Firefox, Mozilla or any other browser.
IE and Firefox trigger an unload event when the user closes the browser.
Opera does not trigger any event when the user closes the browser.

IE and Firefox also trigger that same exact unload event when you do any
of the following:

Click a Favorites to navigate away
Type a URL into the Address Bar and click Go
Click the Home button

And that is just three, there are more.

You have *no way* of knowing whether I closed the browser or did one of
the three above so it is *impossible* to tell if I "closed the browser"
or not, only that the page itself was unloaded. And that is true in
*any* browser.

No, you can't tell if the page was unloaded in Opera or Safari.

The original poster apparently wanted to know if there is an event
that:
1) fires when the browser is closed, and
2) does not fire when the page is refreshed.

My point was that there is no event that satisfies (1) on all
browsers, much less both (1) and (2).

And my point is that there is no browser that satisfies (1) in *any*
situation so (2) is moot.

--
Randy
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