need help on editing existing script for scrolling tables

[Jon Paal]

an excellent working solution for scrolling tables appears at this link

http://www.litotes.demon.co.uk/examp...bleScroll.html

author has no contact page, but I have a question about the display of the table.

the top left corner in the table grid is hidden from being displayed. I have tried to figure out where it is being hidden but can't
find the code to allow it to be shown as part of the left frozen column.

can anyone help me to show the top left corner block as part of the left frozen column ???

[Matt Kruse]

Jon Paal wrote:

an excellent working solution for scrolling tables appears at this
link http://www.litotes.demon.co.uk/examp...bleScroll.html
Not so excellent, as it creates multiple elements within a page with the
same ID, which is illegal.
author has no contact page, but I have a question about the display
of the table.
Author has explicitly stated that no one may use his code, and would not be
able to afford the licensing rights even if they wanted to.
the top left corner in the table grid is hidden from being displayed.
I have tried to figure out where it is being hidden but can't find
the code to allow it to be shown as part of the left frozen column.

The code is not written to be understood by humans, as it is compacted,
undocumented, and written in a way that does not lead to easy understanding.
Author has stated that it is an example, and not to be reused.

If you wish to create a scrolling table, I would advise against using the
above url as an example.

--
Matt Kruse
http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com
http://www.AjaxToolbox.com

[Jon Paal]

I don't find anything on those pages which says the scripts can't be used .

can't be too illegal, so far, this is the only example of a two way scrolling script that actually works in both firefox and ie
browsers, and I've been looking at a lot of script/css examples.



"Matt Kruse" <ne********@mattkruse.com> wrote in message news:ds********@news4.newsguy.com...

Jon Paal wrote:

an excellent working solution for scrolling tables appears at this
link http://www.litotes.demon.co.uk/examp...bleScroll.html

Not so excellent, as it creates multiple elements within a page with the same ID, which is illegal.

author has no contact page, but I have a question about the display
of the table.

Author has explicitly stated that no one may use his code, and would not be able to afford the licensing rights even if they
wanted to.

the top left corner in the table grid is hidden from being displayed.
I have tried to figure out where it is being hidden but can't find
the code to allow it to be shown as part of the left frozen column.

The code is not written to be understood by humans, as it is compacted, undocumented, and written in a way that does not lead to
easy understanding. Author has stated that it is an example, and not to be reused.

If you wish to create a scrolling table, I would advise against using the above url as an example.

--
Matt Kruse
http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com
http://www.AjaxToolbox.com

[Richard Cornford]

Matt Kruse wrote:

Jon Paal wrote:

an excellent working solution for scrolling tables appears
at this link
http://www.litotes.demon.co.uk/examp...bleScroll.html
Not so excellent, as it creates multiple elements within a
page with the same ID, which is illegal.

Multiple elements with the same id are invalid HTML not illegal. As all
but one instance of that element are created by cloning the first they
only actually have the same ID if the browser copies the ID when it
clones the element. If the browser cared about the uniqueness of the ID
then it would not copy the ID when it cloned the element.

author has no contact page, but I have a question about the
display of the table.

Author has explicitly stated that no one may use his code,

Not true, I have explicitly state that the code is copyright.
and would not be able to afford the licensing rights even
if they wanted to.
That seems unlikely as well, it is entirely possible that someone could
afford the rights, though offers to date have been at least one zero
short of being taken seriously.

the top left corner in the table grid is hidden from being
displayed. I have tried to figure out where it is being
hidden but can't find the code to allow it to be shown as
part of the left frozen column.

The headers for the table are in DIV with their CSS overflow properties
set to hidden. The amount of the contents of the DIV shown is determined
by the containing DIV's size and the offsets of the content.
The code is not written to be understood by humans, as it
is compacted, undocumented, and written in a way that does
not lead to easy understanding.
In the context of that page some of the code is compacted, but the
compacted parts have been published elsewhere in a commented from.
Author has stated that it is an example,
Yes it is an example of what can be done, and so a demonstration that
highlight shortcomings in other examples and some commercial offerings.
and not to be reused.
It was designed to be easily re-used, and indeed it gets re-used
frequently. It is just not intended to be used at all by people who do
not want to address the copyright issue.
If you wish to create a scrolling table, I would advise
against using the above url as an example.

I take it you are still bitter because I refused to explain the
algorithms I used when you asked, even though I did explain that they
are on no use to the context for which you wanted to write your
scrolling table.

Richard.

[Matt Kruse]

Richard Cornford wrote:

I take it you are still bitter because I refused to explain the
algorithms I used when you asked

No, I'm not bitter, but I still disagree with your approach and requirement
for compensation for others to benefit from your work.

If you're going to put up a proof of concept like this, you should at least
make it clear that you are not doing so to help others, and perhaps make it
clear how much money you want in order for someone to use the code.
Otherwise your examples may be confused with an altruistic effort (your pet
phrase) to help others create similar solutions.

--
Matt Kruse
http://www.JavascriptToolbox.com
http://www.AjaxToolbox.com

[Jon Paal]

So , where in the code would I change the DIV width to reveal the top left corner ? I don't see anything in the css to resolve this
item.

Also, are you saying the code is to be purchsed before use ? I don't see anyplace that shows a price for the code ?

TIA
"Richard Cornford" <Ri*****@litotes.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:ds*******************@news.demon.co.uk...

Matt Kruse wrote:

Jon Paal wrote:

an excellent working solution for scrolling tables appears
at this link
http://www.litotes.demon.co.uk/examp...bleScroll.html

Not so excellent, as it creates multiple elements within a
page with the same ID, which is illegal.

Multiple elements with the same id are invalid HTML not illegal. As all
but one instance of that element are created by cloning the first they
only actually have the same ID if the browser copies the ID when it
clones the element. If the browser cared about the uniqueness of the ID
then it would not copy the ID when it cloned the element.

author has no contact page, but I have a question about the
display of the table.

Author has explicitly stated that no one may use his code,

Not true, I have explicitly state that the code is copyright.

and would not be able to afford the licensing rights even
if they wanted to.

That seems unlikely as well, it is entirely possible that someone could
afford the rights, though offers to date have been at least one zero
short of being taken seriously.

the top left corner in the table grid is hidden from being
displayed. I have tried to figure out where it is being
hidden but can't find the code to allow it to be shown as
part of the left frozen column.

The headers for the table are in DIV with their CSS overflow properties
set to hidden. The amount of the contents of the DIV shown is determined
by the containing DIV's size and the offsets of the content.

The code is not written to be understood by humans, as it
is compacted, undocumented, and written in a way that does
not lead to easy understanding.

In the context of that page some of the code is compacted, but the
compacted parts have been published elsewhere in a commented from.

Author has stated that it is an example,

Yes it is an example of what can be done, and so a demonstration that
highlight shortcomings in other examples and some commercial offerings.

and not to be reused.

It was designed to be easily re-used, and indeed it gets re-used
frequently. It is just not intended to be used at all by people who do
not want to address the copyright issue.

If you wish to create a scrolling table, I would advise
against using the above url as an example.

I take it you are still bitter because I refused to explain the
algorithms I used when you asked, even though I did explain that they
are on no use to the context for which you wanted to write your
scrolling table.

Richard.

[Richard Cornford]

Matt Kruse wrote:

Richard Cornford wrote:

I take it you are still bitter because I refused to
explain the algorithms I used when you asked
No, I'm not bitter,

If you say so.
but I still disagree with your approach and
requirement for compensation for others to benefit
from your work.
I am not asking for compensation for people to benefit from my work, I
am just requiring compensation from people who want to use my code.
If you're going to put up a proof of concept like this,
you should at least make it clear that you are not doing
so to help others,
So your don't think people will benefit form seeing what can be done? Or
looking at how it is done in a specific instance? Or that the general
quality of commercial offerings would be improved from coexisting with
examples that list and address pertinent issues.
and perhaps make it clear how much money you want in
order for someone to use the code.
I don't want any money for it, in the sense that I don't want to be
bothered with the business of selling my software. And as a result I am
not at all interested in any offers that do not make it unambiguously
worth my while to sell anything.
Otherwise your examples may be confused with an
altruistic effort (your pet phrase) to help others
create similar solutions.

That doesn't seem to be the source of confusion in this case. Here the
confusion seems to be an inability to recognise a copyright statement
and confusing the script with something intended to allow people to get
away with not learning how to create something similar for themselves.

Richard.