Tony wrote:
Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn wrote: There is no alt.php or comp.lang.php anymore
Umm - since when?
Since now[1] ;-)
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.php shows posts being made to
alt.php as of December 15 - isn't that today?
Seriously:
Google Groups (formerly DejaNews) always was an archive that was independent
of Usenet. And they never removed any dead group (at least they did not
the last time I checked which was before the beta). Therefore, people
using Google Groups often post to dead groups and wonder why nobody or
only Google posters reply.
Since the beta, the independence from Usenet has increased as Google
is no longer simply mirroring Usenet, it allows users to create groups
that are not found on any news server.
On the other hand, alt.ALL is a very ... volatile hierarchy, as virtually
anyone can send newgroup and rmgroup.
It also shows up on my news server...
Which is?
It could be that my news server (news.arcor.de) simply does not have this
newsgroup. But since it appears to have much of the rest of alt.* (6201
groups here), I think it is more likely that your admin either ignored the
rmgroup or let the news server follow all control messages for this group
-- the difference between a good maintained news server and a bad one.
Hard to say which one applies, but I tend to the latter because of
a) the 23 latest postings
GMT domain of injecting news server
-------------------------------------------------
20:05 ntli.net
20:03 supernews.com
18:39 googlegroups.com
12:18 individual.net
10:50 telia.net
10:28 googlegroups.com
09:37 individual.net
08:59 googlegroups.com
03:14 googlegroups.com
02:37 googlegroups.com
01:58 comcast.com
00:07 ntli.net
2005-12-15 00:04 comcast.com
23:28 googlegroups.com
22:47 newsguy.com
21:53 googlegroups.com
21:46 euronet.nl
17:23 newsguy.com
07:44 btopenworld.com
2005-12-14 05:30 telus.net
23:46 googlegroups.com
22:43 individual.net
2005-12-13 22:42 news:43*********************@news.euronet.nl
(That was from Google's first page, sorted by date. I had to
dig that out _manually_ and there is XNAY, so please don't nail
me on that :))
This does not strike me as a widely distributed, active newsgroup (I
included the message ID of one posting so that you see where the action
really is):
- If you watch the times, there are large gaps up to 10 hours between
postings.
- If you watch the injecting servers and User-Agent headers, you see
almost only Web interfaces.
- If you watch the postings, what is posted there are mostly RTFM questions
often crossposted to other groups.
- And if you watch the threads, there is none of those postings with more
than two replies, highly unusual for a technical discussion group.
Compare comp.lang.php:
19:25 cistron.nl
19:12 cistron.nl
19:05 ntli.net
18:28 googlegroups.com
16:25 btopenworld.com
16:16 googlegroups.com
16:02 xs4all.nl
15:58 googlegroups.com
15:03 googlegroups.com
15:01 xs4all.nl
14:34 googlegroups.com
13:04 easynews.com
12:56 googlegroups.com
12:48 googlegroups.com
12:46 googlegroups.com
12:20 skynet.be
12:18 individual.net
12:01 googlegroups.com
11:58 googlegroups.com
11:14 googlegroups.com
11:06 googlegroups.com
10:53 googlegroups.com
2005-12-15 10:53 btopenworld.com
Google Groups is the majority, of course, but watch the times.
Threads have usually 4 and more postings.
Compare comp.lang.javascript
:
19:59 prodigy.com
19:20 googlegroups.com
19:20 xs4all.nl
19:14 googlegroups.com
18:36 googlegroups.com
18:28 googlegroups.com (the precursor of this posting)
18:08 googlegroups.com
18:07 newsguy.com
17:43 comcast.com
17:35 arcor.de (me)
17:31 newsguy.com
17:19 arcor.de (me)
17:16 googlegroups.com
17:12 arcor.de (me)
17:04 googlegroups.com
16:57 googlegroups.com
16:55 arcor.de (!me)
16:50 demon.net
16:47 arcor.de (me)
16:47 xs4all.nl
16:22 googlegroups.com
16:19 arcor.de (me)
16:19 blueyonder.co.uk
16:11 googlegroups.com
16:01 googlegroups.com
15:30 newsguy.com
15:25 googlegroups.com
14:46 googlegroups.com
14:45 2005-12-15 iinet.net.au
(Because I am posting here, I added some more data than above.)
Threads have usually 4 and more postings. Despite Google Groups is the
majority, there are many different newsservers. And watch the times.
Now that strikes me as being a very active group :)
b) due to the ... volatility of ("chaos in" are the better words ;-)) alt.*,
several server admins just gave up and ignored a newgroup in this TLH for
which they just received a rmgroup before.
See also
<URL:http://groups.google.de/group/alt.config/browse_frm/thread/382424024c6cdc4d/563804dc0a2e62ed?lnk=st&q=rmgroup+alt.php&rnum=4&h l=de#563804dc0a2e62ed>
and other discussions. Therefore, I think it is best to use only the
appropriate hierarchy and newsgroup for PHP, comp.lang.php, and consider
alt.php and the like obsolete.
[1] So as for comp.lang.php, I stand corrected; I mixed that up with
de.comp.lang.php, which was splitted a while ago.
PointedEars