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Hi,

At the top of my php file I have got :-

<body onblur="self.focus();">

so when I click off onto another window, my window comes back up in front
which is perfect. The problem however, is that when I try to type into my
form boxes, the key transfers are all being lost (i.e. keyboard is
disabled)!

Can anyone shed any light?
Thanks, Mark
Jul 23 '05 #1
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:34:41 GMT, Mark wrote:
Can anyone shed any light?


'Let there be focus'

Translation: Stop stuffing with the focus in the first place.

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Jul 23 '05 #2

"Andrew Thompson" <Se********@www.invalid> wrote in message
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On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:34:41 GMT, Mark wrote:
Can anyone shed any light?


'Let there be focus'

Translation: Stop stuffing with the focus in the first place.


Er....say again?
Thanks, Mark
Jul 23 '05 #3
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:01:21 GMT, Mark wrote:
"Andrew Thompson" <Se********@www.invalid> wrote in message
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:34:41 GMT, Mark wrote:
Can anyone shed any light?


'Let there be focus'

Translation: Stop stuffing with the focus in the first place.

Er....say again?


I'll try it again, slower..

<body onblur="self.focus();"> creates problem. :-(

<body> fixes problem. ;-)

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help
http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite
http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology
http://www.LensEscapes.com/ Images that escape the mundane
Jul 23 '05 #4
DU
Mark wrote:
Hi,

At the top of my php file I have got :-

<body onblur="self.focus();">

so when I click off onto another window, my window comes back up in front
which is perfect. The problem however, is that when I try to type into my
form boxes, the key transfers are all being lost (i.e. keyboard is
disabled)!

Can anyone shed any light?


Maybe you can shed more light on the whole context. Is that a secondary
window? Why do you need to make that window always up in front of other
windows? Can you elaborate on the analysis, webpage context, design
decision? You maybe trying to find a correct/exact solution to a
bad/wrong design decision.

You understand that making a window get the focus like you do is very
restrictive, very constraining, very user-unfriendly. That's why browser
manufacturers (Opera, Mozilla for starters; don't know about Konqueror,
Safari) are now granting users absolute veto powers over raising and
lowering (against pop-under) windows.

DU
--
The site said to use Internet Explorer 5 or better... so I switched to
Mozilla 1.7.3 :)
Jul 23 '05 #5
"DU" <dr*******@hotNOSPAMmail.com> wrote in message
news:30*************@uni-berlin.de...
Mark wrote:
Hi,

At the top of my php file I have got :-

<body onblur="self.focus();">

so when I click off onto another window, my window comes back up in front
which is perfect. The problem however, is that when I try to type into my
form boxes, the key transfers are all being lost (i.e. keyboard is
disabled)!

Can anyone shed any light?

Hi Du,
Maybe you can shed more light on the whole context. Is that a secondary
window? Why do you need to make that window always up in front of other
windows? Can you elaborate on the analysis, webpage context, design
decision? You maybe trying to find a correct/exact solution to a bad/wrong
design decision.


It is for a personal-use script. The program does a 'window.open' to display
a page
which shows current horse-prices. The main window then goes to Betfair. I
then need
to be able to navigate the betfair website, without my 'information' window
disappearing,
so that I may compare prices.

I agree it may not be the best way to do things, but I was told it would be
the simplest :-}
Basically, I need some code which makes sure my window is always at the
front of the
betfair window. I do not care whether its java, win32, PHP or ASP as long as
it gets the
job done :-)

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks, Mark
Jul 23 '05 #6
"Andrew Thompson" <Se********@www.invalid> wrote in message
news:14*****************************@40tude.net...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 21:01:21 GMT, Mark wrote:
"Andrew Thompson" <Se********@www.invalid> wrote in message

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 20:34:41 GMT, Mark wrote:

Can anyone shed any light?

'Let there be focus'

Translation: Stop stuffing with the focus in the first place.

Er....say again?


I'll try it again, slower..

<body onblur="self.focus();"> creates problem. :-(

<body> fixes problem. ;-)


Yes, but will sadly create a new problem - My window will no longer stay at
the front :-(
Thanks, Mark
Jul 23 '05 #7
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:35:28 GMT, Mark wrote:
It is for a personal-use script.


That changes *everything*, I was thinking you meant on an
internet site visited by others.

For a personal script, you can guarantee the environment
(including single browser) and adjust security settings and
plug-ins (such as pop-up blockers) as required.

Have you tried framing the two pages? What are the URLs?

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help
http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite
http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology
http://www.LensEscapes.com/ Images that escape the mundane
Jul 23 '05 #8
rf
Mark wrote:
<body onblur="self.focus();"> creates problem. :-(

<body> fixes problem. ;-)

Yes, but will sadly create a new problem - My window will no longer stay

at the front :-(


How do you know your viewer *wants* your page at the front? That is why they
clicked another window, isn't it? To, you know, look at the *other* window.

If I were to encounter such a page I would immediately press the back
button.

--
Cheers
Richard.
Jul 23 '05 #9

"rf" <rf@.invalid> wrote in message
news:q0******************@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Mark wrote:
> <body onblur="self.focus();"> creates problem. :-(
>
> <body> fixes problem. ;-)
>


Yes, but will sadly create a new problem - My window will no longer stay

at
the front :-(


How do you know your viewer *wants* your page at the front? That is why
they
clicked another window, isn't it? To, you know, look at the *other*
window.

If I were to encounter such a page I would immediately press the back
button.


Because it is for an inhouse development on an intranet - and they /will/
obey me ;-)
Thanks, Mark
Jul 23 '05 #10
"Andrew Thompson" <Se********@www.invalid> wrote in message
news:1x****************************@40tude.net...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:35:28 GMT, Mark wrote:
It is for a personal-use script.
That changes *everything*, I was thinking you meant on an
internet site visited by others.

For a personal script, you can guarantee the environment
(including single browser) and adjust security settings and
plug-ins (such as pop-up blockers) as required.


Yes, I believe I have done all this to a satisfactory level. The window
opens up, and sits there with my page. The main window gets re-directed to
the required destination. If you click on the main window, my window comes
up on top - All works perfectly, except for the fact, I cannot type in my
window (the window contains a form) rendering the whole application useless
:-(

It /appears/, that when I type, the onblur event is being called, so
recalling the window, rather than registering the keypress as a character.

Have you tried framing the two pages? What are the URLs?


No, this is not possible as I need the full screen of the main page, then
this popup window is a small window which overlaps a square piece of 'dead
space' on the main site.

On a side note --- Windows programming is all very new to me, so things like
eventhandlers are a complete nightmare. I used to program in C++/ASM back in
the days of dos, so I do understand the basics of logic and functions etc,
but the windows part is a real non-starter for me - Can anyone recommend any
books with good examples? I have various 'reference' books for function
names / parameters, but these obviously do not show me how to implement the
procedure into my code.
Thanks, Mark
Jul 23 '05 #11
rf
Mark wrote:

No, this is not possible as I need the full screen of the main page, then
this popup window is a small window which overlaps a square piece of 'dead
space' on the main site.


Sounds like a good excuse for an iframe.

--
Cheers
Richard.
Jul 23 '05 #12
"Mark" <ma*******@horsemad.co.uk> wrote in message news:<35************@newsfe6-win.ntli.net>...
"Andrew Thompson" <Se********@www.invalid> wrote in message
news:1x****************************@40tude.net...
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:35:28 GMT, Mark wrote:
It is for a personal-use script.


That changes *everything*, I was thinking you meant on an
internet site visited by others.

For a personal script, you can guarantee the environment
(including single browser) and adjust security settings and
plug-ins (such as pop-up blockers) as required.


Yes, I believe I have done all this to a satisfactory level. The window
opens up, and sits there with my page. The main window gets re-directed to
the required destination. If you click on the main window, my window comes
up on top - All works perfectly, except for the fact, I cannot type in my
window (the window contains a form) rendering the whole application useless
:-(

It /appears/, that when I type, the onblur event is being called, so
recalling the window, rather than registering the keypress as a character.

Have you tried framing the two pages? What are the URLs?


No, this is not possible as I need the full screen of the main page, then
this popup window is a small window which overlaps a square piece of 'dead
space' on the main site.

On a side note --- Windows programming is all very new to me, so things like
eventhandlers are a complete nightmare. I used to program in C++/ASM back in
the days of dos, so I do understand the basics of logic and functions etc,
but the windows part is a real non-starter for me - Can anyone recommend any
books with good examples? I have various 'reference' books for function
names / parameters, but these obviously do not show me how to implement the
procedure into my code.
Thanks, Mark


Boy, people certainly are argumentative around here...

Have you looked into HTAs? Where browser coverage isn't an issue - and
you don't mind using IE (ugh) the flexibility is tremendous.

Otherwise...

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">
<head>
<title>untitled</title>
</head>
<body>
<input type="button" value="open it"
onclick="window.open('pop.html','pop','width=400,h eight=300,left=100,top=100,status=0')"
/>
</body>
</html>
[pop.html]
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">
<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" xml:lang="en" lang="en">
<head>
<title>untitled</title>
<script type="text/javascript">
//<![CDATA[

var timerID = null;

onblur = function()
{
timerID = setTimeout('self.focus()', 50);
}

onload = function()
{
var i = 0, el, els =
document.getElementsByTagName('form').item(0).elem ents;
while (el = els.item(i++))
if (/text(area)?/.test(el.type))
{
el.onfocus = function()
{
if (timerID)
clearTimeout(timerID);
}
el.onblur = function()
{
timerID = setTimeout('self.focus()', 50);
}
}
self.focus();
}

//]]>
</script>
</head>
<body>
<form style="width:120px;">
<input type="text" name="foo" value="" />
<input type="text" name="feh" value="" />
<textarea name="hah" rows="4" cols="24"></textarea>
</form>
</body>
</html>

Just uses a timer to 'reverse' the order of blur/focus firing so you
can control them. Assuming one form in that popup.
Jul 23 '05 #13

"RobB" <fe******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Mark" <ma*******@horsemad.co.uk> wrote in message
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"Andrew Thompson" <Se********@www.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 23:35:28 GMT, Mark wrote:
>
It /appears/, that when I type, the onblur event is being called, so
recalling the window, rather than registering the keypress as a
character.

> Have you tried framing the two pages? What are the URLs?


No, this is not possible as I need the full screen of the main page, then
this popup window is a small window which overlaps a square piece of
'dead
space' on the main site.

On a side note --- Windows programming is all very new to me, so things
like
eventhandlers are a complete nightmare. I used to program in C++/ASM back
in
the days of dos, so I do understand the basics of logic and functions
etc,
but the windows part is a real non-starter for me - Can anyone recommend
any
books with good examples? I have various 'reference' books for function
names / parameters, but these obviously do not show me how to implement
the
procedure into my code.
Thanks, Mark


Boy, people certainly are argumentative around here...


Sure are <lol>, it has took numerous replys before any kind of code /
functions were even mentioned.

Have you looked into HTAs? Where browser coverage isn't an issue - and
you don't mind using IE (ugh) the flexibility is tremendous.
Sorry to sound a bit thick, but what does HTAs stand for?


Otherwise...

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1"?>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd">

CODE SNIPPED <<<<


One phrase springs to mind 'King amongst men'.

Rob, I cannot thank you enough. I have just got home at 03:40am after
spending the day driving through snow and achieving very little- copied and
pasted your code and run it, and it works perfectly. I am not even going to
try and understand nor modify it until I have had at least 5 hours sleep,
but at least now, I know I have the basecode to do the job properly.

Thanks ever so much, it is truly appreciated.
Thanks, Mark
Jul 23 '05 #14
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 03:53:09 GMT, Mark wrote:
Have you looked into HTAs? Where browser coverage isn't an issue - and
you don't mind using IE (ugh) the flexibility is tremendous.


Sorry to sound a bit thick, but what does HTAs stand for?


AFAIU..

It stands for Hyper Text Application.
It is an 'whatever.html', renamed to 'whatever.hta'.

IE then recognizes that web-page as being a 'signed' web application
that can then gain extended privileges to perform functionality that
would not normally be allowed in an internet environment. This
includes having control of programs outside the browser, or access
to the local filesystem (the user's hard disk).

HTH

--
Andrew Thompson
http://www.PhySci.org/codes/ Web & IT Help
http://www.PhySci.org/ Open-source software suite
http://www.1point1C.org/ Science & Technology
http://www.LensEscapes.com/ Images that escape the mundane
Jul 23 '05 #15

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