Job Market for Java - Is it rumoured to be good right now?

[Irving Fried]

I'm hearing it's been slowing down, and I'd like to hear this group's
assessment.

[Padnacker]

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:40:50 -0400, Irving Fried
<tw*********@yahoo.comwrote:

>I'm hearing it's been slowing down, and I'd like to hear this group's
assessment.

It has been slowing down. I switched to the .Net camp about 2 years
ago, and unless something major takes place on the Java side of
things, I will never go back. Have you used the latest .Net tools?

Wow..

It seems to have been losing momentum long before this came out:

http://www.businessweek.com/technolo...213_042973.htm

[fb594950]

Padnacker wrote:

On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:40:50 -0400, Irving Fried
<tw*********@yahoo.comwrote:

>I'm hearing it's been slowing down, and I'd like to hear this group's
assessment.

It has been slowing down. I switched to the .Net camp about 2 years
ago, and unless something major takes place on the Java side of
things, I will never go back. Have you used the latest .Net tools?

Wow..

Are you joking?
Could you quote any *real* ORM solutions (aside of NHIBERNATE, which is
a port of a Java solution), any AOP framework for .NET, any strong
specification as JSEE for enterprise modeling?
Ok, there is "Microsoft patterns & practices" API, but coming from such
a big company as Microsoft, you could have expected something a bit more
serious and scalable.

APIs in .NET are not yet stables, no third parties are *clearly*
involved in the platform evolution (maybe with some undercover
commercial deal) and if you are referring to the "lasted .NET tools"
that are not available in Java, I would like to hear them.

..NET is another Java clone only running on Microsoft Windows.
kth.

[Padnacker]

On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 09:57:48 +0200, "fb594950@SKYNET" <kth@kthwrote:

>Padnacker wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 10:40:50 -0400, Irving Fried
<tw*********@yahoo.comwrote:

>>I'm hearing it's been slowing down, and I'd like to hear this group's
assessment.

It has been slowing down. I switched to the .Net camp about 2 years
ago, and unless something major takes place on the Java side of
things, I will never go back. Have you used the latest .Net tools?

Wow..

Are you joking?
Could you quote any *real* ORM solutions (aside of NHIBERNATE, which is
a port of a Java solution), any AOP framework for .NET, any strong
specification as JSEE for enterprise modeling?
Ok, there is "Microsoft patterns & practices" API, but coming from such
a big company as Microsoft, you could have expected something a bit more
serious and scalable.

It scales fine, Match .Com is running on the Enterprise Library with
SQL Server and so are many of Microsoft's higher traffic sites.

>APIs in .NET are not yet stables, no third parties are *clearly*
involved in the platform evolution (maybe with some undercover
commercial deal)

Your unwarranted allegations of kickbacks aside, go to
www.programmersparadise.com and count just how many third parties are
involved in the platform evolution, make a list of the ones that are
not clear to you, and maybe some good soul will jump in and put your
finger on it.

>and if you are referring to the "lasted .NET tools"
that are not available in Java, I would like to hear them.

I was simply referring to the latest set of features in .Net 2.0
framework, the IDE compared to Eclipse, and so forth. I wasn't even
considering the vast amount of third-party support.

>.NET is another Java clone only running on Microsoft Windows.

Only if Java is a C++ clone that only runs in a VM. It bares some
resemblance, but the common denominator is the C syntax which other
languages had long before Java.

This is my last post here, I refuse to engage in yet another time
wasting, silly Java vs. .Net debate; I was trying to offer solid
advice to someone inquiring about the job market from the perspective
of someone who makes a couple of hundred thousand a year.

Besides you seem bitter because the market has recognized Java is
dying. Hell I think Java is OK I made a living doing it for years,
but its now passe.

[fb594950]

This is my last post here, I refuse to engage in yet another time

wasting, silly Java vs. .Net debate; I was trying to offer solid
advice to someone inquiring about the job market from the perspective
of someone who makes a couple of hundred thousand a year.

I agree to leave this debate aside, but a new developer who is wondering
whether to choose .NET or Java is not the right question. They are just
language and a bunch of tools with a rather high learning curve. New
developers should focus more on modeling and architecturing (UML, design
pattern...).
During a developer career, you will encounter the 2 platforms (maybe
even more), so do not focus on the language it self.

However, technically speaking, I still thing that Java rocks :)
kth.

[Tome Watson]

On Sat, 23 Sep 2006 21:35:30 -0700, evadnikufesin
<ev***********@gmail.99999.comwrote:

>On Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:50:28 -0400, Padnacker wrote:

>Wow..

It seems to have been losing momentum long before this came out:

You're delusional. More .NET shops switch over to J2EE all the time.
Expedia is the latest (large-scale) example. The reason is simple -
companies can't recruit .NET programmers out of college - but there are
*lots* of Java programmers out there.

For whatever it's worth, I work as a recruiter for a large consulting
firm. I would have to agree that Java is taught more in academia, but
from a real world business perspective we are seeing a great deal of
migration from Java to C#, and almost none of the inverse.

[David Orriss Jr]

On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 02:42:41 -0400, Tome Watson wrote:

For whatever it's worth, I work as a recruiter for a large consulting
firm. I would have to agree that Java is taught more in academia, but
from a real world business perspective we are seeing a great deal of
migration from Java to C#, and almost none of the inverse.

I haven't seen any of that happening at all. Quite the opposite. And
those who are thinking their business will be saved by doing so are going
to be hurting in a big way. Some of the LEAST scalable systems I work with
at my job are the ones that run on .NET.