What's the Big Java Development Environment These Days?

[Dave D]

What's the Big Java Development Environment These Days? I used to use
VisualCafe years ago....
-- Dave

[A Bag Of Memes]

"Dave D" <[e-mail]> wrote in message
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What's the Big Java Development Environment These Days? I used to use
VisualCafe years ago....

Eclipse. Some folks use JBuilder, but I hate it. IntelliJ's Idea is great,
but Eclipse is free.

[simon]

Yeah, I tried JBuilder 8 Enterprise Edition. It has a lot of proprietary
classes that will not compile in another IDE. Not to mention the license
fee is very high. Therefore, I stop using it. IntelliJ bundles with sofia
is great, but all those required software cost money. A lot of people are
using Websphere Studio, but it is also expensive.

My choice is Eclipse. It has a plugin for almost everything. Best of all,
it is free open-source.

The recent PC Magazine did a comparison on development tools. I am kind of
upset that they did not include any open-source tool. Obviously, the
evaluation is vendors-driven. But it helps you to realize how rediculously
expensive those vendor software are.

Hope this helps.

[SPC]

Intellij IDEA first
Eclipse second.

In terms of ease of use and overall niceness. BUT, Eclipse wins hands
down on price though and for anyone who's not going to get someone
else to pay for their IDE, it important. I use IDEA and I keep going
and trying Eclipse and I keep coming back to IDEA. Eclipse does most
(if not all) of what IDEA does, I just happen to like the way IDEA
does it. But then that's all personal preference...

Steve

[Le Je-Pe]

I'm surprised no one has even mentioned NetBeans (www.NetBeans.org)
It's absolutely FREE and does pretty much everything you need it to...
Being a student, I don't have anyone paying for software licenses so
having an open-source solution is really ideal...
Plus, a lot of my teachers use it as their main Java IDE... It's gotta
be doing something right!

[A Bag Of Memes]

"Le Je-Pe" <jp*******@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I'm surprised no one has even mentioned NetBeans (www.NetBeans.org)
It's absolutely FREE and does pretty much everything you need it to...
Being a student, I don't have anyone paying for software licenses so
having an open-source solution is really ideal...
Plus, a lot of my teachers use it as their main Java IDE... It's gotta
be doing something right!

I didn't mention it because I can't stand it. Eclipse is free and much more
popular among developers.

[SPC]

It would have to have improved A LOT for it to compete with Idea or
Eclipse. Your teachers probably use it because they've never tried
anything else, and it's more important for them to all be singing the
same song, rather than have classes using different IDEs. I'm sure it
does the job, but... Why not try it. Perhaps you can get your teachers
to switch.

Steve

jp*******@hotmail.com (Le Je-Pe) wrote in message news:<ae**************************@posting.google. com>...

I'm surprised no one has even mentioned NetBeans (www.NetBeans.org)
It's absolutely FREE and does pretty much everything you need it to...
Being a student, I don't have anyone paying for software licenses so
having an open-source solution is really ideal...
Plus, a lot of my teachers use it as their main Java IDE... It's gotta
be doing something right!

[Mpost]

JBuilder is top down the best of the best in features. The one to beat.
IntelliJ IDEA is great too and was cheap but I heard they now raised the price
so it no longers holds that edge. The open tools community is a lot more
active in JBuilder than IDEA. With power and features (jbuilder CVS
integration has no match, while IDEA smart refactorings and look and feel are
also nice)comes at a price. Netbeans is horrible (no refactoring, slow, and
just plain ugly). Eclipse is great. I think the student that mentioned
netbeans should give this one a try and get his school using this(mind share).
So there you have it.

JBuilder - for those with deep pockets but who just want every feature known
to man. Its power will draw you in. Its super fast to boot. (3 times faster
than my ant clean compiles)
IntelliJ IDEA - for those who are good with the keyboard. Once you get hook to
this thing you are hooked for life.
Eclipse - for everyone. I use it and I have JBuilder 9. I had intelliJ
before.
NetBeans - for those who really hate Eclipse (you must also be a little wicked
in head to hate eclipse so I guess thats also a requirement) and want a open
source solution.


jp*******@hotmail.com (Le Je-Pe) wrote:

I'm surprised no one has even mentioned NetBeans (www.NetBeans.org)
It's absolutely FREE and does pretty much everything you need it to...
Being a student, I don't have anyone paying for software licenses so
having an open-source solution is really ideal...
Plus, a lot of my teachers use it as their main Java IDE... It's gotta
be doing something right!

[kevinc]

It's all purely subjective. I personally prefer Eclipse.

Mpost wrote:

JBuilder is top down the best of the best in features. The one to beat.
IntelliJ IDEA is great too and was cheap but I heard they now raised the price
so it no longers holds that edge. The open tools community is a lot more
active in JBuilder than IDEA. With power and features (jbuilder CVS
integration has no match, while IDEA smart refactorings and look and feel are
also nice)comes at a price. Netbeans is horrible (no refactoring, slow, and
just plain ugly). Eclipse is great. I think the student that mentioned
netbeans should give this one a try and get his school using this(mind share).
So there you have it.

JBuilder - for those with deep pockets but who just want every feature known
to man. Its power will draw you in. Its super fast to boot. (3 times faster
than my ant clean compiles)
IntelliJ IDEA - for those who are good with the keyboard. Once you get hook to
this thing you are hooked for life.
Eclipse - for everyone. I use it and I have JBuilder 9. I had intelliJ
before.
NetBeans - for those who really hate Eclipse (you must also be a little wicked
in head to hate eclipse so I guess thats also a requirement) and want a open
source solution.


jp*******@hotmail.com (Le Je-Pe) wrote:

I'm surprised no one has even mentioned NetBeans (www.NetBeans.org)
It's absolutely FREE and does pretty much everything you need it to...
Being a student, I don't have anyone paying for software licenses so
having an open-source solution is really ideal...
Plus, a lot of my teachers use it as their main Java IDE... It's gotta
be doing something right!

[US]

kevinc wrote:

It's all purely subjective. I personally prefer Eclipse.
I agree. And looking at price/performance, Eclipse is hard to beat. It
may take some time to get used to the user interface, but having passed
that threshold, there's no going back.
Mpost wrote:

JBuilder is top down the best of the best in features. The one to beat.

....

[Kyle]

I bought a copy of JBuilder 2.0 back in the good old days when stores like
CompUSA and Best Buy actually carried all the big name compilers on their
shelf. Seems like there was always a $200 version of any compiler Borland
made, now I can't even find a low end version much under a thousand bucks!
I've always been a Borland fan since the 80s, but they just priced me out of
being a customer now. What are students using now to code in Java?

I'm unable to compile with the latest sun JDK using JBuilder 2.0, but unable
to afford a new version of it. Does anyone know how to get a low-end copy
at a reasonable price? If not, what is an affordable alternative that still
has a decent user interface?

-Kyle

"Mpost" <Mp***@javaworld.com> wrote in message
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JBuilder is top down the best of the best in features. The one to beat.
IntelliJ IDEA is great too and was cheap but I heard they now raised the price so it no longers holds that edge. The open tools community is a lot more
active in JBuilder than IDEA. With power and features (jbuilder CVS
integration has no match, while IDEA smart refactorings and look and feel are also nice)comes at a price. Netbeans is horrible (no refactoring, slow, and just plain ugly). Eclipse is great. I think the student that mentioned
netbeans should give this one a try and get his school using this(mind share). So there you have it.

JBuilder - for those with deep pockets but who just want every feature known to man. Its power will draw you in. Its super fast to boot. (3 times faster than my ant clean compiles)
IntelliJ IDEA - for those who are good with the keyboard. Once you get hook to this thing you are hooked for life.
Eclipse - for everyone. I use it and I have JBuilder 9. I had intelliJ
before.
NetBeans - for those who really hate Eclipse (you must also be a little wicked in head to hate eclipse so I guess thats also a requirement) and want a open source solution.


jp*******@hotmail.com (Le Je-Pe) wrote:

I'm surprised no one has even mentioned NetBeans (www.NetBeans.org)
It's absolutely FREE and does pretty much everything you need it to...
Being a student, I don't have anyone paying for software licenses so
having an open-source solution is really ideal...
Plus, a lot of my teachers use it as their main Java IDE... It's gotta
be doing something right!

[gg]

Eclipse is probably great, but the Sun one studio ( forte ) community
edition is not all that bad either , free for version 3 and may be 4.
"Kyle" <ky***@passfire.com> wrote in message
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I bought a copy of JBuilder 2.0 back in the good old days when stores like
CompUSA and Best Buy actually carried all the big name compilers on their
shelf. Seems like there was always a $200 version of any compiler Borland
made, now I can't even find a low end version much under a thousand bucks!
I've always been a Borland fan since the 80s, but they just priced me out of being a customer now. What are students using now to code in Java?

I'm unable to compile with the latest sun JDK using JBuilder 2.0, but unable to afford a new version of it. Does anyone know how to get a low-end copy
at a reasonable price? If not, what is an affordable alternative that still has a decent user interface?

-Kyle

"Mpost" <Mp***@javaworld.com> wrote in message
news:cn******************@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...

JBuilder is top down the best of the best in features. The one to beat.
IntelliJ IDEA is great too and was cheap but I heard they now raised the price

so it no longers holds that edge. The open tools community is a lot more
active in JBuilder than IDEA. With power and features (jbuilder CVS
integration has no match, while IDEA smart refactorings and look and

feel are

also nice)comes at a price. Netbeans is horrible (no refactoring, slow,

and

just plain ugly). Eclipse is great. I think the student that mentioned
netbeans should give this one a try and get his school using this(mind

share).

So there you have it.

JBuilder - for those with deep pockets but who just want every feature

known

to man. Its power will draw you in. Its super fast to boot. (3 times

faster

than my ant clean compiles)
IntelliJ IDEA - for those who are good with the keyboard. Once you get

hook to

this thing you are hooked for life.
Eclipse - for everyone. I use it and I have JBuilder 9. I had intelliJ
before.
NetBeans - for those who really hate Eclipse (you must also be a little

wicked

in head to hate eclipse so I guess thats also a requirement) and want a

open

source solution.


jp*******@hotmail.com (Le Je-Pe) wrote:

I'm surprised no one has even mentioned NetBeans (www.NetBeans.org)
It's absolutely FREE and does pretty much everything you need it to...
Being a student, I don't have anyone paying for software licenses so
having an open-source solution is really ideal...
Plus, a lot of my teachers use it as their main Java IDE... It's gotta
be doing something right!

[Kyle]

I just downloaded Eclipse, imported my old java files into a project and the
thing compiled and ran flawlessly! This is really a nice tool, it always
amazes me that people can afford to work the kind of time it takes to make
software of this complexity and then just give it away for free.

-Kyle

"gg" <No***********@allMailIgnored.net> wrote in message
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Eclipse is probably great, but the Sun one studio ( forte ) community
edition is not all that bad either , free for version 3 and may be 4.
"Kyle" <ky***@passfire.com> wrote in message
news:XO*******************@newsread2.news.atl.eart hlink.net...

I bought a copy of JBuilder 2.0 back in the good old days when stores like CompUSA and Best Buy actually carried all the big name compilers on their shelf. Seems like there was always a $200 version of any compiler Borland made, now I can't even find a low end version much under a thousand bucks! I've always been a Borland fan since the 80s, but they just priced me out

of

being a customer now. What are students using now to code in Java?

I'm unable to compile with the latest sun JDK using JBuilder 2.0, but

unable

to afford a new version of it. Does anyone know how to get a low-end

copy at a reasonable price? If not, what is an affordable alternative that

still

has a decent user interface?

-Kyle

"Mpost" <Mp***@javaworld.com> wrote in message
news:cn******************@nwrdny01.gnilink.net...

JBuilder is top down the best of the best in features. The one to beat. IntelliJ IDEA is great too and was cheap but I heard they now raised the

price

so it no longers holds that edge. The open tools community is a lot

more active in JBuilder than IDEA. With power and features (jbuilder CVS
integration has no match, while IDEA smart refactorings and look and

feel

are

also nice)comes at a price. Netbeans is horrible (no refactoring, slow , and

just plain ugly). Eclipse is great. I think the student that mentioned
netbeans should give this one a try and get his school using this(mind

share).

So there you have it.

JBuilder - for those with deep pockets but who just want every feature

known

to man. Its power will draw you in. Its super fast to boot. (3 times

faster

than my ant clean compiles)
IntelliJ IDEA - for those who are good with the keyboard. Once you get

hook to

this thing you are hooked for life.
Eclipse - for everyone. I use it and I have JBuilder 9. I had

intelliJ before.
NetBeans - for those who really hate Eclipse (you must also be a little wicked

in head to hate eclipse so I guess thats also a requirement) and want

a open

source solution.


jp*******@hotmail.com (Le Je-Pe) wrote:
>I'm surprised no one has even mentioned NetBeans (www.NetBeans.org)
>It's absolutely FREE and does pretty much everything you need it

to... >Being a student, I don't have anyone paying for software licenses so
>having an open-source solution is really ideal...
>Plus, a lot of my teachers use it as their main Java IDE... It's gotta >be doing something right!