Best programming software

[Buster]

Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
you may have.

Thanx.

[Louis-Philippe Huberdeau]

There is also JCreator (tryed that one, it's not too bad), a friend of
mine uses TextPad and love it. I personally use VIM (as for everything
else). There is no better editor, only good ones. It all depends on how
much you are ready to invest and what your preferences are.

You can make a search on google for the urls of all the above editors.
("I'm feeling lucky" should be safe enough)

Buster wrote:

Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
you may have.

Thanx.

[Karthik A.]

All the above editors are good.... but if you want to start
development on huge application the best IDE i would suggest is
Eclipse... it is availabe for free download on www.eclipse.org .. It
has umpteen number of plugins ... ranging from jsp, j2ee ,tomcat...
plugins ..to UML ... etc .. these plugins are available for download
from www.sourceforge.net . it is absolutely fantastic. you got to try
it. it is way way more advanced than textpad or VIM.. It is pretty
much similar to Jbuilder .. it integrates with CVS directly..

Regards,
Karthik
Louis-Philippe Huberdeau <lp*********@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<Ug******************@news20.bellglobal.com>. ..

There is also JCreator (tryed that one, it's not too bad), a friend of
mine uses TextPad and love it. I personally use VIM (as for everything
else). There is no better editor, only good ones. It all depends on how
much you are ready to invest and what your preferences are.

You can make a search on google for the urls of all the above editors.
("I'm feeling lucky" should be safe enough)

Buster wrote:

Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
you may have.

Thanx.

[Lee]

I use IntelliJ Idea (see www.intellij.com). It is by far the best Java IDE
that I have seen. It checks your code as you write it, highlights errors,
etc. It has great features for searching, code generation, and refactoring.
It can run the compiler for you, and/or you can hook it up to ant build
scripts. ("ant" is similar to "make"). It has debug, supports CVS, has lots
of keyboard shortcuts etc. (Something I really like is CTRL-Q shows javadoc
for the method under the cursor.)
I believe it now has a GUI development tool similar to what JBuilder does.
The creators are adding features quickly.
Regards,
Lee.
"Buster" <ms*******@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
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Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
you may have.

Thanx.

[Jeroen Wenting]

JBuilder is good.
Eclipse is also good, and should run better on a lowend machine.
JBuilder is more powerful and easier to set up correctly (sorry Eclipse
people, some way to go there. At least on my machine it failed to find such
essentials as JDKs for example).

But do at least learn the command line as well for the tools, you might end
up in situations where it's all you have (and VI or Emacs).

"Buster" <ms*******@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message
news:qa**************@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk...

Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
you may have.

Thanx.

[Louis-Philippe Huberdeau]

I can only say one thing: You have no idea on how to use VIM. Maybe it
does not do your UML, but who needs that to be integrated in an IDE? I
do my code design way before I get in front of a text editor and at that
point, they are prints.

:! Find something else VIM can't do.

Karthik A. wrote:

All the above editors are good.... but if you want to start
development on huge application the best IDE i would suggest is
Eclipse... it is availabe for free download on www.eclipse.org .. It
has umpteen number of plugins ... ranging from jsp, j2ee ,tomcat...
plugins ..to UML ... etc .. these plugins are available for download
from www.sourceforge.net . it is absolutely fantastic. you got to try
it. it is way way more advanced than textpad or VIM.. It is pretty
much similar to Jbuilder .. it integrates with CVS directly..

Regards,
Karthik
Louis-Philippe Huberdeau <lp*********@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<Ug******************@news20.bellglobal.com>. ..

There is also JCreator (tryed that one, it's not too bad), a friend of
mine uses TextPad and love it. I personally use VIM (as for everything
else). There is no better editor, only good ones. It all depends on how
much you are ready to invest and what your preferences are.

You can make a search on google for the urls of all the above editors.
("I'm feeling lucky" should be safe enough)

Buster wrote:

Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
you may have.

Thanx.

[Pete]

I have used JCreator since I started learning Java, and have found it to
be very handy. It can create project files, and you can organise all
your different java/class files. You can also compile your project (or
single file) at the click of a button.
It handles highlighting code to show the reserved words, and auto indenting.
If you want to splurge and get the Pro version, it also has
code-completion, whick will pop-up with the methods etc for what you are
working on.

you can always check out the free version....what harm could it do?
http://www.jcreator.com

Buster wrote:

Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
you may have.

Thanx.

[Karthik A.]

Hi,
who ever said VIM is the best java IDE around must be kidding..
What do you mean by IDE- Integrated Development Environment... Which
means that you can do everything from design ... to code generation to
testing and deployment on the same application.
Regards
Karthik
Pete <pc********@iprimus.com.au> wrote in message news:<3f********@news.iprimus.com.au>...

I have used JCreator since I started learning Java, and have found it to
be very handy. It can create project files, and you can organise all
your different java/class files. You can also compile your project (or
single file) at the click of a button.
It handles highlighting code to show the reserved words, and auto indenting.
If you want to splurge and get the Pro version, it also has
code-completion, whick will pop-up with the methods etc for what you are
working on.

you can always check out the free version....what harm could it do?
http://www.jcreator.com

Buster wrote:

Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
you may have.

Thanx.

[Makis Arvanitis]

I personally like the netbeans 3.5 (http://www.netbeans.org/) it's free
and Sun uses it for their development studios.
But you have to learn the command line too.

Buster wrote:

Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
you may have.

Thanx.

[KC Wong]

"Buster" <ms*******@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message news:<qa**************@news-binary.blueyonder.co.uk>...

Hi, im about to start learning how to program in JAVA 2 and was wondering
what software i should buy to learn the language. I have downloaded the
software development kit 1.4 but find the DOS based interface very difficult
to use as i am from the GUI age and hate DOS. I have heard that Borland J
Builder is the best development enviornment, i would appreciate any advise
you may have.

All other replies talk of good IDEs to use... but IDEs are NOT good
for learning Java.

They provide additional packages, and some of them hides code away
from you or produce ugly codes (esp. UI design). If you use them while
you're just starting to learn, you'll get *addicted* to it.

Then take the IDE away and you can't code anything.

I don't think one has to buy anything to learn Java. Just grab a text
editor (probably one with syntax highlight and free, like Crimson
Editor, but even Notpad will do), download the SDK and API Docs from
Sun, then follow a book (like Thinking in Java, free at
http://www.mindview.net/Books/TIJ/) and start coding.
KC.