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Hi all,

Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more advanced
issues that this news group?

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Jul 20 '05 #1
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"BenOne©" <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more advanced
issues that this news group?


I'm speechless.

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Jul 20 '05 #2

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:33:39 -0400, Stan Brown
<th************@fastmail.fm> wrote:
"BenOne©" <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
advanced
issues that this news group?


I'm speechless.


I guess he's tired of the daily "how do I do align='center' in CSS"
questions here...
Jul 20 '05 #3

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Stan Brown wrote:
"BenOne©" wrote:
Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with
more advanced issues that this news group?


I'm speechless.


Yeah, that was pretty much my reaction. I was so speechless that I
couldn't even reply -- until now.

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Jul 20 '05 #4

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Neal wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:33:39 -0400, Stan Brown
<th************@fastmail.fm> wrote:
"BenOne©" <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
advanced
issues that this news group?

I'm speechless.


I guess he's tired of the daily "how do I do align='center' in CSS"
questions here...


Not at all.

I posted "Layout and colour problems" on the 16th of June and have had
no responses. Thought maybe it is too complicated for the regulars here
so wondered if there are other forums where I should post my question.

Thanks for any help.

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Ben Thomas
Melbourne
Australia

Jul 20 '05 #5

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On Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:45:30 +1000, Ben Thomas <id********@so.ok> wrote:
Neal wrote:
I guess he's tired of the daily "how do I do align='center' in CSS"
questions here...


Not at all.

I posted "Layout and colour problems" on the 16th of June and have had
no responses. Thought maybe it is too complicated for the regulars here
so wondered if there are other forums where I should post my question.


Oh that. I missed that one. The div only contains floated elements, so the
actual div won't go all the way down. See how I altered it here...

....
<div id=boxfoot>
<a class=main href="product0001.html">info</a>
<a class=main href="buy.html">buy</a>
</div>
</div>
</center>
<div style="clear: both; width: 100%">&nbsp;</div>
</div>
....
Jul 20 '05 #6

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Ben Thomas wrote:

I posted "Layout and colour problems" on the 16th of June and have had
no responses. Thought maybe it is too complicated for the regulars here
so wondered if there are other forums where I should post my question.


Maybe noone is responding because you aren't asking anything that hasn't
come up numerous times before. Could be you'll find the answer yourself
in a few minutes of searching the google newsgroup archives.

Just a thought.

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Jul 20 '05 #7

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Ben Thomas <id********@so.ok> wrote:
I posted "Layout and colour problems" on the 16th of June and have had
no responses.


If that made you ask a provocative question that effectively meant "you
are too stupid for me", then I think it is better to both sides if you
don't attend this group, at least until you have learned some minimal
decency in your manners. Get back the money you paid for this helpdesk.

I might have sent this advice by E-mail only if you had not forged your
address.

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Jul 20 '05 #8

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kchayka wrote:
Ben Thomas wrote:
I posted "Layout and colour problems" on the 16th of June and have had
no responses. Thought maybe it is too complicated for the regulars here
so wondered if there are other forums where I should post my question.

Maybe noone is responding because you aren't asking anything that hasn't
come up numerous times before. Could be you'll find the answer yourself
in a few minutes of searching the google newsgroup archives.

Just a thought.


I don't have WWW access from the place I posted the original question.

If it was something posted many times in the past, and no-one could be
bothered to reply with the actual answer, I would have appreciated it if
someone had said "check google", but as they didn't even do that, the
regulars make it look like they don't know the answer.

You said "maybe no-one is responding...". Does that mean you don't know
if it's come up numerous times before?

Ben

Jul 20 '05 #9

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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Ben Thomas <id********@so.ok> wrote:

I posted "Layout and colour problems" on the 16th of June and have had
no responses.

If that made you ask a provocative question that effectively meant "you
are too stupid for me", then I think it is better to both sides if you
don't attend this group, at least until you have learned some minimal
decency in your manners. Get back the money you paid for this helpdesk.


Please explain what is so provocative about:
"Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
advanced issues that this news group?"

I've also posted other questions in the past and received few replies.
Other groups I frequent are not shy about replying to topics that get
discussed a lot. The only reason for the lack of replies that I could
come up with was that the members don't know the answers.

In no way did I suggest that this group does not deal with advanced
issues. I made no suggestion that people here are stupid.

Why are you so confrontational? Usenet should be a place where people
enjoy sharing their knowledge.

You just seem to want to criticise.

And you talk about manners.

I might have sent this advice by E-mail only if you had not forged your
address.


I'd say it's the sort of thing worth discussing in the group, so other
newbies can learn...

Jul 20 '05 #10

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Neal wrote:

Oh that. I missed that one. The div only contains floated elements, so
the actual div won't go all the way down. See how I altered it here...

...
<div id=boxfoot>
<a class=main href="product0001.html">info</a>
<a class=main href="buy.html">buy</a>
</div>
</div>
</center>
<div style="clear: both; width: 100%">&nbsp;</div>
</div>
...


Thanks heaps Neal. That's a great suggestion.

Now if only there was a way to get the black to stretch right to the
bottom of the viewport if the page is less than one screen high... I
think I'm pushing my luck a bit there though.

Thanks again.

Ben Thomas

Jul 20 '05 #11

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Ben Thomas <id********@so.ok> wrote:
If that made you ask a provocative question that effectively meant "you
are too stupid for me", then I think it is better to both sides if you
don't attend this group, at least until you have learned some minimal
decency in your manners. Get back the money you paid for this helpdesk.
Please explain what is so provocative about:
"Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
advanced issues that this news group?"


The tone, I also took that remark as "you are too stupid for me".
I've also posted other questions in the past and received few replies.


As Jukka said, this isn't a helpdesk, it's a discussion group. If you
don't get any replies then you've asked a question that failed to
interest the members.

--
Spartanicus
Jul 20 '05 #12

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"Ben Thomas" <id********@so.ok> wrote in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
I don't have WWW access from the place I posted the original question.

If it was something posted many times in the past, and no-one could be
bothered to reply with the actual answer, I would have appreciated it if
someone had said "check google", but as they didn't even do that, the
regulars make it look like they don't know the answer.


If you have Usenet but not WWW access (unlikely though that seems),
what good would it have done to tell you to check google?

Contrariwise, if you can check google, why didn't you?

--
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validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/
2.1 changes: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/changes.html
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Jul 20 '05 #13

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"Ben Thomas" <id********@so.ok> wrote in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
If that made you ask a provocative question that effectively meant "you
are too stupid for me",


Please explain what is so provocative about:
"Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
advanced issues that this news group?"


He did explain: Your question implies "this forum is too slow and
stupid for me."

--
Stan Brown, Oak Road Systems, Cortland County, New York, USA
http://OakRoadSystems.com/
HTML 4.01 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/
validator: http://validator.w3.org/
CSS 2 spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-CSS2/
2.1 changes: http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/changes.html
validator: http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/
Jul 20 '05 #14

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On Sun, 20 Jun 2004 10:53:33 +1000, Ben Thomas <id********@so.ok> wrote:
Neal wrote:

Oh that. I missed that one. The div only contains floated elements, so
the actual div won't go all the way down. See how I altered it here...

...
<div id=boxfoot>
<a class=main href="product0001.html">info</a>
<a class=main href="buy.html">buy</a>
</div>
</div>
</center>
<div style="clear: both; width: 100%">&nbsp;</div>
</div>
...


Thanks heaps Neal. That's a great suggestion.

Now if only there was a way to get the black to stretch right to the
bottom of the viewport if the page is less than one screen high... I
think I'm pushing my luck a bit there though.


This is a little clever... have not tested.

Wrap your content in a div, set height: 100%. Set a background image
(white on left, the rest black) for that div which is 1px high and say
2000px wide. (Wider than you need it to be.) Set it to repeat-y.
Jul 20 '05 #15

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Stan Brown wrote:
"Ben Thomas" <id********@so.ok> wrote in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
I don't have WWW access from the place I posted the original question.

If it was something posted many times in the past, and no-one could be
bothered to reply with the actual answer, I would have appreciated it if
someone had said "check google", but as they didn't even do that, the
regulars make it look like they don't know the answer.

If you have Usenet but not WWW access (unlikely though that seems),
what good would it have done to tell you to check google?

Contrariwise, if you can check google, why didn't you?


It wouldn't have helped, but it would have displayed that someone actually knew
the answer to my question.

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Jul 20 '05 #16

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Stan Brown wrote:
"Ben Thomas" <id********@so.ok> wrote in
comp.infosystems.www.authoring.stylesheets:
Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
If that made you ask a provocative question that effectively meant "you
are too stupid for me",


Please explain what is so provocative about:
"Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
advanced issues that this news group?"

He did explain: Your question implies "this forum is too slow and
stupid for me."


That is not an explanation. How does it imply that?

Why try to reinterpret my words? Why not take them literally?

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Jul 20 '05 #17

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Neal wrote:


This is a little clever... have not tested.

Wrap your content in a div, set height: 100%. Set a background image
(white on left, the rest black) for that div which is 1px high and say
2000px wide. (Wider than you need it to be.) Set it to repeat-y.


Won't that result in scroll-bars?

Where in the CSS spec is "repeat-y" mentioned?

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Jul 20 '05 #18

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*BenOne©* <no**@m.thanks.mate>:
Stan Brown wrote:
"Ben Thomas" <id********@so.ok> wrote in
Please explain what is so provocative about:
"Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
advanced issues that this news group?"


He did explain: Your question implies "this forum is too slow and
stupid for me."


That is not an explanation. How does it imply that?


"Do you still beat your wife?"
Why try to reinterpret my words? Why not take them literally?


Because we suppose you're a human being like us.

P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.

--
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"Reality is frequently inaccurate."
Jul 20 '05 #19

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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 00:10:05 GMT, BenOne© <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
Neal wrote:


This is a little clever... have not tested.

Wrap your content in a div, set height: 100%. Set a background image
(white on left, the rest black) for that div which is 1px high and say
2000px wide. (Wider than you need it to be.) Set it to repeat-y.
Won't that result in scroll-bars?


Not for a background. Shouldn't, anyway...
Where in the CSS spec is "repeat-y" mentioned?


See http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html for all of this.
Jul 20 '05 #20

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Christoph Paeper <ch**************@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:
*BenOne©* <no**@m.thanks.mate>: - - P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.


I would rather ask him to keep it as a bogosity signal as long as he
keeps behaving unproductively. I find it disgusting that he uses
_different_ forged From lines. Although it makes effective killfiling a
little more difficult, it surely confirms the need for killfiling.

--
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Jul 20 '05 #21

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Christoph Paeper wrote:
*BenOne©* <no**@m.thanks.mate>:
Stan Brown wrote:
"Ben Thomas" <id********@so.ok> wrote in
Please explain what is so provocative about:
"Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more
advanced issues that this news group?"

He did explain: Your question implies "this forum is too slow and
stupid for me."


That is not an explanation. How does it imply that?

"Do you still beat your wife?"


Sorry but that's going straight over my head.
Why try to reinterpret my words? Why not take them literally?

Because we suppose you're a human being like us.


It's insane to choose a different meaning for someone's words. It comes across
as a very insecure behaviour.

At no point did I intend to offend anyone. I did not mean to suggest that the
regulars here are the least bit stupid.

Frankly, I'm not clever enough to subtly suggest other things when writing my posts.

P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.


Good point. Fixing it now. Some has to remain - company says so.
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Jul 20 '05 #22

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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:40:05 GMT, BenOne© <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
It's insane to choose a different meaning for someone's words. It comes
across as a very insecure behaviour.

At no point did I intend to offend anyone. I did not mean to suggest
that the regulars here are the least bit stupid.

Frankly, I'm not clever enough to subtly suggest other things when
writing my posts.


Ben... what are you after here? What's your goal in this exchange?

if it's about commentary you didn't like, well, I tried to help. You have
to tolerate a little side discussion even if it's not to your liking,
otherwise you alienate the natives. Fortunately this is not cannibal
country.
Jul 20 '05 #23

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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Christoph Paeper <ch**************@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:

*BenOne©* <no**@m.thanks.mate>:


- -
P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.

I would rather ask him to keep it as a bogosity signal as long as he
keeps behaving unproductively. I find it disgusting that he uses
_different_ forged From lines. Although it makes effective killfiling a
little more difficult, it surely confirms the need for killfiling.


And if you really wanted to, you could just kilffile me based on the from name
which appears in the sender field of the news reader. I guess it's also just
part of the From: header.

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Jul 20 '05 #24

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Jukka K. Korpela wrote:
Christoph Paeper <ch**************@nurfuerspam.de> wrote:

*BenOne©* <no**@m.thanks.mate>:


- -
P.S.: Get rid of your stupid and overly long disclaimer.

I would rather ask him to keep it as a bogosity signal as long as he
keeps behaving unproductively. I find it disgusting that he uses
_different_ forged From lines. Although it makes effective killfiling a
little more difficult, it surely confirms the need for killfiling.


I posted from two different places. Sorry if having two broken From: lines
offends you.

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Jul 20 '05 #25

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Neal wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 04:40:05 GMT, BenOne© <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
It's insane to choose a different meaning for someone's words. It
comes across as a very insecure behaviour.

At no point did I intend to offend anyone. I did not mean to suggest
that the regulars here are the least bit stupid.

Frankly, I'm not clever enough to subtly suggest other things when
writing my posts.

Ben... what are you after here? What's your goal in this exchange?

if it's about commentary you didn't like, well, I tried to help. You
have to tolerate a little side discussion even if it's not to your
liking, otherwise you alienate the natives. Fortunately this is not
cannibal country.


Just trying to make it clear that I don't appreciate people criticising me for
things I didn't say, and to make it clear that at no point did I intend to
offend anyone.

I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across. Vever
before have I been accused and attacked as I have hear, which is frankly very
hurtful.

I greatly appreciate your replies and answers to my CSS problems, and also
appreciate those posters who continue to discuss these other matters with me as
we all work to a better understanding of each other. Those who've simply
kilfilled me couldn't come across as more immature if they tried.

--
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Jul 20 '05 #26

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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:10:08 GMT, BenOne© <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across.
Most newsgroups are rather lax. This one happens to be otherwise.
Vever before have I been accused and attacked as I have hear, which is
frankly very hurtful.
Well, as it's often said in Usenet, "grow some skin"... because you're
deep in the jungle now.
I greatly appreciate your replies and answers to my CSS problems, and
also appreciate those posters who continue to discuss these other
matters with me as we all work to a better understanding of each other.
Those who've simply kilfilled me couldn't come across as more immature
if they tried.


Best practice is to use your best judgement and ignore the naysayers;
unless those naysayers happen to be particularly valuable resources, in
which case accomodate and give deference. In your case, I doubt you did
the necessary pre-posting homework. (There's a reason we're advised to
lurk before we post....)

Just use best judgement and contribute to the discussion. You'll earn back
anything you may have lost in time.
Jul 20 '05 #27

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BenOne© wrote:
I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across.


LOL! ciwas is the LEAST eccentric newsgroup I'm reading. I guess you
just live a sheltered life :-).

As for "other CSS forums", there are other newsgroups that deal with
CSS, e.g. alt.html, but not as extensively as this one.

Other than that, you might want to try the CSS Discuss mailing list:
<http://www.css-discuss.org/>.
Matthias

Jul 20 '05 #28

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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 02:17:03 -0400, Neal wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:10:08 GMT, BenOne© <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across.


Most newsgroups are rather lax. This one happens to be otherwise.


I really enjoy the nature of this group.

'You'* are mostly a bunch of uncompromising
'hard-cases' who do not give concessions
to anyone. You also do not generally put
up with hackish solutions, or waste bandwidth
with this 'overly polite' crap..
That keeps the group both lean and useful.

* 'You' in this instance refers to you if you
wish it to do so.. There are certainly a couple
of very, very 'nice' (shudders) regulars around
this group who I have never heard utter an angry
(or even mildly peeved) word..

I would prefer to be sworn at, but get the
optimal solutions for my visitors, than OTOH
get a 'polite' answer that works for less of them..

I have had to opt out of other groups because
the S/N ratio dropped too far. I doubt that
will happen with CIWAS.

[ ..and yes, I *have* been told on this group
that what I was attempting was ridiculous,
stupid, pointless or just plain bad. My sites
(and visitors) have benefited from that. ;-) ]

To all the hard cases out there (as well as the
nice people who have helped me!), thank you.

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Jul 20 '05 #29

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Neal wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 06:10:08 GMT, BenOne© <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across.

Most newsgroups are rather lax. This one happens to be otherwise.
Vever before have I been accused and attacked as I have hear, which is
frankly very hurtful.

Well, as it's often said in Usenet, "grow some skin"... because you're
deep in the jungle now.
I greatly appreciate your replies and answers to my CSS problems, and
also appreciate those posters who continue to discuss these other
matters with me as we all work to a better understanding of each
other. Those who've simply kilfilled me couldn't come across as more
immature if they tried.

Best practice is to use your best judgement and ignore the naysayers;
unless those naysayers happen to be particularly valuable resources, in
which case accomodate and give deference. In your case, I doubt you did
the necessary pre-posting homework. (There's a reason we're advised to
lurk before we post....)

Just use best judgement and contribute to the discussion. You'll earn
back anything you may have lost in time.


Thanks for your thoughts Neal. They say you never stop learning.

--
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relate to the official business of my firm shall be understood as neither
given nor endorsed by it.

Jul 20 '05 #30

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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:34:06 GMT, Andrew Thompson <Se********@www.invalid>
wrote:

I really enjoy the nature of this group.

'You'* are mostly a bunch of uncompromising
'hard-cases' who do not give concessions
to anyone. You also do not generally put
up with hackish solutions, or waste bandwidth
with this 'overly polite' crap..
That keeps the group both lean and useful.


I think the first time I saw someone post (not to me, thankfully) "Please
don't give advice on this anymore" I admit I was a little shocked. But
Andrew puts it so well - it's the rigor which makes this a useful group.

Put up (a URL) or shut up!
Jul 20 '05 #31

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Matthias Gutfeldt wrote:
BenOne© wrote:
I visit many groups, and this is the most eccentric I've come across.

LOL! ciwas is the LEAST eccentric newsgroup I'm reading. I guess you
just live a sheltered life :-).

As for "other CSS forums", there are other newsgroups that deal with
CSS, e.g. alt.html, but not as extensively as this one.

Other than that, you might want to try the CSS Discuss mailing list:
<http://www.css-discuss.org/>.
Matthias


Thanks Matthias. I'm thinking I don't need to go elsewhere, except for google if
I can get my sys-admin to let me at it.

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Jul 20 '05 #32

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Neal wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 16:34:06 GMT, Andrew Thompson
<Se********@www.invalid> wrote:

I really enjoy the nature of this group.

'You'* are mostly a bunch of uncompromising
'hard-cases' who do not give concessions
to anyone. You also do not generally put
up with hackish solutions, or waste bandwidth
with this 'overly polite' crap..
That keeps the group both lean and useful.

I think the first time I saw someone post (not to me, thankfully)
"Please don't give advice on this anymore" I admit I was a little
shocked. But Andrew puts it so well - it's the rigor which makes this a
useful group.


I'm surprised people are still talking about why CSS is better than tables.

Put up (a URL) or shut up!

--
Ben Thomas
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Jul 20 '05 #33

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:20:05 GMT, BenOne© <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more advanced
issues that this news group?


I have been biding my time, read just about every post so far in this
thread and my personal experience of your appearance is...

You jumped in here thinking that ciwas is a "help desk" (I'm referring
to your very first post of June 16).

You did not follow standard usenet procedures to "lurk for some time
before you make your first post", following that you missed the
"atmosphere" of this NG.

You have been properly bashed from that, but also got some good input
from more "gentle" frequent characters in this NG.

Still; your input, as quoted above, is an insult to this NG.

You will find that out for your self if you decide to stay. You are
welcome here but "tune down your pipe" a bit, and you will find that the
most "advanced" tricks of CSS are in fact to be found among discussions
that goes on here.

--
Rex
Jul 20 '05 #34

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On Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:30:04 GMT, BenOne© <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
I'm surprised people are still talking about why CSS is better than
tables.


Drives me batty. Though sometimes some good insight can be found through
the cycling of that running bit.
Jul 20 '05 #35

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Jan Roland Eriksson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:20:05 GMT, BenOne© <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote:

Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more advanced
issues that this news group?

I have been biding my time, read just about every post so far in this
thread and my personal experience of your appearance is...

You jumped in here thinking that ciwas is a "help desk" (I'm referring
to your very first post of June 16).


My first post was actually on the 15th of April, and was replied to by several
people.

You did not follow standard usenet procedures to "lurk for some time
before you make your first post", following that you missed the
"atmosphere" of this NG.
I don't see how you can know if I lurked or not, except for the tone of my
subject which came across as insulting. I've been reading this group since March.

I just posted in the way I usually do to the other 10 groups I'm in, some which
get 1000s of posts a day, and others much less. If you don't know the answer to
something, and can't find the answer in old posts or references, you've got to
ask the question.

You have been properly bashed from that, but also got some good input
from more "gentle" frequent characters in this NG.

Still; your input, as quoted above, is an insult to this NG.
Like I said in another post, I sincerely apologise for any insult to the members
of this group.

You will find that out for your self if you decide to stay. You are
welcome here but "tune down your pipe" a bit, and you will find that the
most "advanced" tricks of CSS are in fact to be found among discussions
that goes on here.


So you're saying I've got to read every post, even if the subject sounds nothing
like what I'm trying to find out about, just in case someone mentions something
I need to know, instead of posting a question? Sorry if I've misinterpreted you.
--
Ben Thomas
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Jul 20 '05 #36

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Jan Roland Eriksson wrote:
On Fri, 18 Jun 2004 01:20:05 GMT, BenOne© wrote:
Are there any CSS forums that get more traffic and deal with more advanced
issues that this news group?
I have been biding my time, read just about every post so far in this
thread...


As have I.

Still; your input, as quoted above, is an insult to this NG.
So ignore it, and don't be so damned precious.

You are welcome here but...


No-one needs your (or the usual suspects') welcome to read or post to
any newsgroup they choose. I'm surprized to see you involve yourself
in this silly thread, Roland. I thought you were better than that.
Jul 20 '05 #37

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On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 00:10:04 GMT, BenOne© <no**@m.thanks.mate> wrote:
Jan Roland Eriksson wrote: [...]
... find that the most "advanced" tricks of CSS are in
fact to be found among discussions that goes on here.

So you're saying I've got to read every post, even if the
subject sounds nothing like what I'm trying to find out about...


There's a big section in each and every human mind that is dedicated
to the storage of "useless knowledge". Available content in that
storage area helps the normal associative problem solving process in
more "important" areas.

So, in practice, if you need to solve a specific style sheet problem
you will find that easier to do if your personal "database" has some
content in it, even if that content does not directly relate to your
problem.

--
Rex
Jul 20 '05 #38

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