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NavBar corrupts in Mac-IE5 but runs OK in IBM-IE5

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www.brilley.co.uk/testMenusMac.asp demonstrates the problem. It works in
IBM-IE5 but two problems in Mac-IE5 (I've positioned the popup menus on the
page to observe the problem). The popup menus corrupt on Macintosh when you
mouseover the NavBar buttons. The second problem is that the two NavBar
buttons appear as one button on Mac and the popup menus treat them as one
button: mouseover "Home" or "Register" moves the pop-menu to the Home
button position only. Any help would be very much appreciated.
Jul 20 '05 #1
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Roger Withnell wrote:
www.brilley.co.uk/testMenusMac.asp demonstrates the problem. It works in
IBM-IE5 but two problems in Mac-IE5


There are more than two problems, and not just in MacIE5. Have you
looked at this thing in mozilla or Opera?

Both the HTML and CSS contain errors. Validate your code to eliminate
syntax errors as a possible cause of these rendering problems.
<URL:http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/>

Your JS doesn't seem to work very well in non-IE browsers. For that
matter, I'm not sure it exactly works right in IE6, either.

BTW, why are you trying to reinvent the DHTML menu wheel?

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"kchayka" <us****@c-net.us> wrote in message
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Thanks for helping this beginner.
Roger Withnell wrote:
www.brilley.co.uk/testMenusMac.asp demonstrates the problem. It works in IBM-IE5 but two problems in Mac-IE5
There are more than two problems, and not just in MacIE5. Have you
looked at this thing in mozilla or Opera?

Not yet. Mac-IE5 is the priority.
Both the HTML and CSS contain errors. Validate your code to eliminate
syntax errors as a possible cause of these rendering problems.
<URL:http://www.htmlhelp.com/tools/> Errors removed using the WDG validators. Invalid <td> attributes used to
create properties of the <td> object to change their style cause errors
still, of course.
Your JS doesn't seem to work very well in non-IE browsers. For that
matter, I'm not sure it exactly works right in IE6, either. How does it not work properly in IE6?
BTW, why are you trying to reinvent the DHTML menu wheel? This test page is only to try to fix these problems. The actual application
creates a dynamic NavBar and menus from information in database tables,
hence the need to re-invent the menu wheel?
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Jul 20 '05 #3

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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:15:43 +0000 (UTC), Roger Withnell
<ro*********@THISFIRSTupperbridge.co.uk> wrote:

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I thought I'd taken the necessary precautions by invalidating my email
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What else can I do?
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You've replied to his signature.
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I'm clicking "Reply to Group", not "Reply to Sender".

Is that correct? I don't appear to have any other choices.

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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:15:43 +0000 (UTC), Roger Withnell
<ro*********@THISFIRSTupperbridge.co.uk> wrote:

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You've replied to his signature.


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Neal wrote:
On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 00:15:43 +0000 (UTC), Roger Withnell
<ro*********@THISFIRSTupperbridge.co.uk> wrote:

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Reply address is a bottomless spam bucket.

I thought I'd taken the necessary precautions by invalidating my email
address. I'm using Outlook Express and I have to enter an email address.
What else can I do?


You've replied to his signature.


You did notice the "I'm using Outlook Express..." part, no? :)
He apparently hasn't heard of OE-quotefix, either. If he were really
clever, he'd google for it.

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Roger Withnell wrote:
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Roger Withnell wrote:
> www.brilley.co.uk/testMenusMac.asp demonstrates the problem.
There are more than two problems, and not just in MacIE5.

Mac-IE5 is the priority.


Hint: Mac-IE5 is only the tip of the iceburg.
Both the HTML and CSS contain errors.

Errors removed using the WDG validators. Invalid <td> attributes used to
create properties of the <td> object to change their style cause errors
still, of course.


Too bad validators can't check how CSS is used in context, or check the
validity of JS code. <sigh> I always wonder why some people try to
position elements that are in a <table>. Maybe it makes no sense to me
because I don't use tables for layout.
Hint #1: Positioning a <td> element is kinda illogical, don't you think?
Hint #2: If you had to add units to the position values in the
stylesheet, what do you think the JS that sets position values should do?
Hint #3: What do you expect to happen with non-standard or proprietary
code in a browser that only reliably supports standards (or different
proprietary code)?
How does it not work properly in IE6?


You mean the way the tables jump all around the page on mouseover is how
it's supposed to work? You'll give your visitors siezures, fer shur.
BTW, why are you trying to reinvent the DHTML menu wheel?

This test page is only to try to fix these problems. The actual application
creates a dynamic NavBar and menus from information in database tables,
hence the need to re-invent the menu wheel?


I don't see that as a good reason, but then I don't know anything about
what the actual info is, how it's accessed, or relationships between
different elements. Regardless, you are reinventing the menu access
mechanisms, when the only thing that is unique appears to be the
particular menu contents, which are always unique to a site anyway.
From what I can tell, your menus look like they would be structurally
more suitable as nested lists rather than individual (and structurally
unrelated) tables.

On closer inspection, your HTML reminds me a lot of some ASP.NET menu
server somebody recently showed me. It has to be the worst DHTML
navigation system I've seen in a long time, maybe ever: horribly bloated
and unstructured code, major accessibility problems, and not a single
link(!) in the house. The deezyners think it's fantastic because it's
easy for them to develop with, but it sucks big time from a user
standpoint. I sure hope you're on a tightly controlled intranet,
because this is pretty unsuitable for the WWW. IMO
Reply address is a bottomless spam bucket.

I thought I'd taken the necessary precautions by invalidating my email
address. I'm using Outlook Express and I have to enter an email address.
What else can I do?


This is OT, but using a munged email address is generally considered an
unacceptable practice. Set up a special email address just for usenet,
which filters to dev/null (delete, trash, or whatever else suits you).
If you have your own domain, check the mail features in control panel to
see what options you have available. If you don't have your own domain,
check with your ISP or server admin about adding another address.

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On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:28:23 +0000 (UTC), Roger Withnell
<ro*********@THISFIRSTupperbridge.co.uk> wrote:
I'm clicking "Reply to Group", not "Reply to Sender".

Is that correct? I don't appear to have any other choices.


Aside from the top-posting, you're replying correctly. His "bottomless
spam bucket" comment was part of his sig, not addressed to you. That's all
I was saying, it clearly wasn't intended to apply to you, as you seemed to
indicate you felt it was.
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