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I am working on a restaurant's web site, and am having trouble with IE
6/Win2k and the menu pages:

http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/lunch
http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/dinner

When the page is loaded, the headings (h1 and h2) are invisible. If I
select the text of the headings, or scroll all way to the bottom, they
appear, but disappear again when I place my mouse pointer over one of
the boxes below the H1 at the top whose links point to other menus
(i.e., not the main navigation links on the left).

Also, I wanted to float the menu items to create 2 columns. It works
in MSIE 5/Win, O7, and Moz 1.x. But the results are quite erratic in
MSIE 6. Sometimes things float, sometimes they don't.

The documents are valid html 4.01/strict, and the dtd's should trigger
standars mode. I checked the css for errors. Interestingly, MSIE
5/Win does much better with these pages. (!)

I am using position: absolute for the navigation, and I seem to
remember issues with that in MSIE 6, but a Google search on "absolute
position bug" is only turning up documents about using position:
absolute instead of fixed. A pointer to relevant threads would be
great, or if anyone has any ideas on what I should change, or what I
should hide from IE 6, I'd be much obliged.

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Brian
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Jul 20 '05 #1
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In <8B7tb.200017$Fm2.187685@attbi_s04> Brian <us*****@julietremblay.com.invalid-remove-this-part> writes:
I am working on a restaurant's web site, and am having trouble with IE
6/Win2k and the menu pages: http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/lunch When the page is loaded, the headings (h1 and h2) are invisible.
That's funny. I see them just fine. Same exact platform. Perhaps
because I have scripts turned off?

I do note that the "after dinner drinks" link winds up wrapping to two
lines because I use large fonts. Consider setting the style to not wrap
or using &nbsp; between the words.

Also, I wanted to float the menu items to create 2 columns. It works
in MSIE 5/Win, O7, and Moz 1.x. But the results are quite erratic in
MSIE 6. Sometimes things float, sometimes they don't.


They're two columns for me now.

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Jul 20 '05 #2

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Analysis&Solutions wrote:
In Brian writes:
http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/lunch
When the page is loaded, the headings (h1 and h2) are invisible.
I see them just fine. Same exact platform.


MSIE 6/win2k? <shrug>
Perhaps because I have scripts turned off?
I do have content-script-type defined in the head, but there are no
actual scripts on the page.
I do note that the "after dinner drinks" link winds up wrapping to two
lines because I use large fonts.
It wraps to 2 lines in MSIE 5/Win, on my computer at home, but not on
MSIE 6 on the computer I was using at work.
Consider setting the style to not wrap or using &nbsp; between the words.


I consider this to be a minor problem, but I could probably fix it by
setting an appropriate width in ems.
Also, I wanted to float the menu items to create 2 columns. It works
in MSIE 5/Win, O7, and Moz 1.x. But the results are quite erratic in
MSIE 6. Sometimes things float, sometimes they don't.


They're two columns for me now.


Geez, this is aggravating. Can't nail down the bug if it cannot be
replicated.

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Brian
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Jul 20 '05 #3

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Brian wrote:
I am working on a restaurant's web site, and am having trouble with IE
6/Win2k and the menu pages:

http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/lunch
http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/dinner

When the page is loaded, the headings (h1 and h2) are invisible. If I
select the text of the headings, or scroll all way to the bottom, they
appear, but disappear again when I place my mouse pointer over one of
the boxes below the H1 at the top whose links point to other menus
(i.e., not the main navigation links on the left).
This sounds like it might be the Peekaboo bug:

<URL:http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html>

There's another few Internet Explorer bug descriptions on that site in case
it's something else.

Also, I wanted to float the menu items to create 2 columns. It works
in MSIE 5/Win, O7, and Moz 1.x. But the results are quite erratic in
MSIE 6. Sometimes things float, sometimes they don't.

[snip]

My first guess would be to set borders/background to check the widths. It's
easy to get widths of elements screwed up in Internet Explorer, it does
some pretty weird things.

Nice looking site, by the way. If you don't mind me suggesting it, the only
thing I'd add would be perhaps a light background against the item names
and going across to their prices so it's a bit quicker to scan.
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Jim Dabell

Jul 20 '05 #4

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Jim Dabell wrote:
Brian wrote:
http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/lunch
http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/dinner

When the page is loaded, the headings (h1 and h2) are invisible.
If I select the text of the headings, or scroll all way to the
bottom, they appear
This sounds like it might be the Peekaboo bug

<URL:http://www.positioniseverything.net/explorer/peekaboo.html>


Hard to say right now. That seems like an obscure bug triggered only
by very specific circumstances. Thanks for the link.
Also, I wanted to float the menu items to create 2 columns. It
works in MSIE 5/Win, O7, and Moz 1.x. But the results are quite
erratic in MSIE 6. Sometimes things float, sometimes they don't.


My first guess would be to set borders/background to check the
widths.


Good idea. Unfortunately, I don't have IE6 at home, so testing is a
bit slow.
Nice looking site, by the way.
Well thanks, but I suspect you're judging it in Mozilla and Opera,
where I am pleased with the results. In IE 6/win there are some
problems. In IE 5/Mac, it's apparently quite bad. I just got a call
from the graphic designer who's on a Mac. The site is a mess.
A:hover doesn't work at all in the navigation, and only some of the
time in the content (?); the floats on the menu pages are really
screwed up; there are weird spaces in the middle of words on an
after-dinner drinks menu; etc.

Frankly, it's all a bit discouraging. Writing the html was much more
rewarding. This css stuff is really frustrating.
If you don't mind me suggesting it
On the contrary, I'm happy that you took the time. :)
the only thing I'd add would be perhaps a light background against
the item names and going across to their prices so it's a bit
quicker to scan.


I thought about doing something to connect them, perhaps a line of
dots like you see on printed menus, but your idea is likely much
easier. Thanks! However, it'll have to wait until I can get the
thing at least presentable for the client.

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Brian
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Jul 20 '05 #5

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Brian <us*****@julietremblay.com.invalid-remove-this-part> wrote in
news:NObtb.148295$mZ5.1008693@attbi_s54:
Good idea. Unfortunately, I don't have IE6 at home, so testing is a
bit slow.


If AOL sends you free coasters in the mail, you can actually extract
IE6(Win) from them...Far superior to an 80-meg download.

Jul 20 '05 #6

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Eric Bohlman wrote:
Brian <us*****@julietremblay.com.invalid-remove-this-part> wrote in
news:NObtb.148295$mZ5.1008693@attbi_s54:
Good idea. Unfortunately, I don't have IE6 at home, so testing is a
bit slow.
If AOL sends you free coasters in the mail,


:-D
you can actually extract
IE6(Win) from them...Far superior to an 80-meg download.


Ah, but the issue isn't actually the download. I have IE 5.0 on my
computer, and I like being able to test it on that browser. I'm
unlikely to find IE 5 at a library or at work, whereas IE 6 is pretty
common. So I think the right choice is to keep IE 5, but of course it
makes things a bit difficult when IE 6 is doing a worse job then its
predecessor.

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Brian
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Jul 20 '05 #7

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"Brian" <us*****@julietremblay.com.invalid-remove-this-part> wrote in
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Eric Bohlman wrote:
Brian <us*****@julietremblay.com.invalid-remove-this-part> wrote in
news:NObtb.148295$mZ5.1008693@attbi_s54:
Good idea. Unfortunately, I don't have IE6 at home, so testing is a
bit slow.


If AOL sends you free coasters in the mail,


:-D
you can actually extract
IE6(Win) from them...Far superior to an 80-meg download.


Ah, but the issue isn't actually the download. I have IE 5.0 on my
computer, and I like being able to test it on that browser. I'm
unlikely to find IE 5 at a library or at work, whereas IE 6 is pretty
common. So I think the right choice is to keep IE 5, but of course it
makes things a bit difficult when IE 6 is doing a worse job then its
predecessor.

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Brian
follow the directions in my address to email me

Hi
I haven't tried it myself yet, but there seems to have been a stroke of
genious pulled by some guy - he has worked out how to run multiple versions
of IE on the same PC - take a look at

http://www.insert-title.com/web_desi...s/dev/multi_IE
http://www.sidesh0w.com/weblog/2003/...ns_of_windows_
internet_explorer.html
http://www.skyzyx.com/archives/000094.php
http://www.webstandards.org/buzz/arc...1.html#a000241

HTH
David


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"Brian" <us*****@julietremblay.com.invalid-remove-this-part> a écrit
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I am working on a restaurant's web site, and am having trouble with IE
6/Win2k and the menu pages:

http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/lunch
http://www.tsmchughs.com/menus/dinner

When the page is loaded, the headings (h1 and h2) are invisible. If I
select the text of the headings, or scroll all way to the bottom, they
appear, but disappear again when I place my mouse pointer over one of
the boxes below the H1 at the top whose links point to other menus
(i.e., not the main navigation links on the left).


I'm also using IE6/Win2000 and have no problems.

JavaScript is turned on, so this doesn't seem to be the problem.

Maybe your installation is a little bit broken. (Just a guess, because
this seems to be a very strange problem.)

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Andreas
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Jul 20 '05 #9

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